i heard that it was fact that MM was leaving
- drexel

It is a failed offseason if he is not leaving.

I choose to believe the Leafs will not fail.

RoR iS bEtTeR tHaN mAtTHeWs

Matthews does have to step up.

But if Willy keeps producing in the playoffs like he has, he absolutely is worth $11.5M.
- Whipper

I'm waiting on my opinion. I want to see what Rantanen and Draisatl get this summer if they both get extensions.

Both are better than 88 and 16.

So they'll probably both get traded to Florida and sign for $9.5M.

Fixed. Me too.
- underhill14

If he wants more another team will get him.

Brad wanted Gudas but Ducks overpaid.

Z will have to choose between money and winning. Could go either way.

Hakkanpa is a good plan B.

How much does Zadorov cost?

4.5M?
- Santo_44

5.5M over 4 year

Plus a 3rd and a 5th but Leafs missed that boat again.

As a UFA he'll be over $5m maybe $6m.

Would've been easier to acquire him and then extend him cheaper before this playoff run. And the way he has been in the Vancouver press, loves it there/family/fans, doubt they let him walk.

Too bad Treliving didn't listen to me and a few other guys on here in January.
- underhill14

how could the Leafs missed the boat when the boat would not let them on ....

Leafs have space.

Plus I think Marner is so gone, I don't think there is much of a chance he is back and until that gets proved wrong I will operate on the fact he won't be here next season.
- Santo_44

Marner has consistently sucked when it matters.

There’s no way around it, he’s done here.
- Santo_44

true but his nmc will keep him in a Leafs uniform until he says so.

If Marner is not traded its a failed offseason.

They will trade him.
- Santo_44

for you and other yes
for some us NO it's not

We'll see if hes done here.
Remains to be seen
- Fakepartofme

I concur

I agree, hes failed when it counts. So has Matthews.
Willie isn't worth 11.5 and Marner isn't worth or more
- Fakepartofme

Fair point about Matthews BUT he's the big, centre who is locked into a multi year deal AND I think has shown he can step up when needed (time will tell, this year game 7 is hard to really judge him on since he was coming off or still injured / sick).

Hard not to argue Willy is going to be overpaid once his new contact kicks in (and I won't because I believe he is) BUT he's the only one of the core who was not overpaid in his past deal(s) so you could easily argue it's 'his turn'. Marner was overpaid at 10.9 and would be overpaid moving forward even at 10.9 IMO.

Matthews is probably overpaid too for what he has (or hasn't) delivered but that one stings less to me.

Leafs gave these guys too much money too early assuming the ROI would make sense with deep playoff runs and maybe a cup or 2. We all know that didn't happen.

Since you have Willy and Matthews locked into deals time to try and level set with Marner either on his re-signing or moving him / even letting him walk as a UFA (i prefer either of these than re-signing him) and using his $ towards better balance.

We will see how it plays out - I'm not confident that they will move Marner before the season starts, I am confident they should.

Regardless if Marner stays a Leaf I'll cheer for him, he's an exceptionally talented player and Toronto kid BUT the garage only has space for as many Ferarri's as it does, we need some big old jacked up 4x4 pick up trucks with thick necks who can score, hit, annoy and lead.

We also need big hard D.

The Oilers are starting Pickard tonight. Sure seems like a desperation move.

We'll see if hes done here.
Remains to be seen
- Fakepartofme

The Shanaplan is dead. Time to move on. And that includes the fanbase.

The Oilers are starting Pickard tonight. Sure seems like a desperation move.
- shack67

their biggest mistake was hiring Holland as GM who in turn thought Jack Campbell was the solution to their goal tending woes.

The Oilers are starting Pickard tonight. Sure seems like a desperation move.
- shack67

By that same logic, was starting Woll a desperation move?

By that same logic, was starting Woll a desperation move?
- Whipper

Probably, but it seems like Pickard has been trying to crack the NHL for years.

their biggest mistake was hiring Holland as GM who in turn thought Jack Campbell was the solution to their goal tending woes.
- wingz4life

Well, in his defense, who could have predicted Campbell would fall off a damn cliff like that?!?

Early in the season, Oiler fans wanted Holland's head, half way through the season he was their savior, and now we're trending back towards him being their biggest mistake. What a wild ride.

Probably, but it seems like Pickard has been trying to crack the NHL for years.
- shack67

Skinners BEST S% vs Vancouver is LESS than .850, what option do you really have?

Well, in his defense, who could have predicted Campbell would fall off a damn cliff like that?!?

Early in the season, Oiler fans wanted Holland's head, half way through the season he was their savior, and now we're trending back towards him being their biggest mistake. What a wild ride.
- Whipper

***Wedgie checks the 2022-23 Official Toronto Maple Leafs Prediction Thread****

Ummm.......

***Wedgie checks the 2023-24 Official Toronto Maple Leafs Prediction Thread****

Ummm.......
- Atomic Wedgie

I was way off like the homer I am.

Fair point about Matthews BUT he's the big, centre who is locked into a multi year deal AND I think has shown he can step up when needed (time will tell, this year game 7 is hard to really judge him on since he was coming off or still injured / sick).

Hard not to argue Willy is going to be overpaid once his new contact kicks in (and I won't because I believe he is) BUT he's the only one of the core who was not overpaid in his past deal(s) so you could easily argue it's 'his turn'. Marner was overpaid at 10.9 and would be overpaid moving forward even at 10.9 IMO.

Matthews is probably overpaid too for what he has (or hasn't) delivered but that one stings less to me.

Leafs gave these guys too much money too early assuming the ROI would make sense with deep playoff runs and maybe a cup or 2. We all know that didn't happen.

Since you have Willy and Matthews locked into deals time to try and level set with Marner either on his re-signing or moving him / even letting him walk as a UFA (i prefer either of these than re-signing him) and using his $ towards better balance.

We will see how it plays out - I'm not confident that they will move Marner before the season starts, I am confident they should.

Regardless if Marner stays a Leaf I'll cheer for him, he's an exceptionally talented player and Toronto kid BUT the garage only has space for as many Ferarri's as it does, we need some big old jacked up 4x4 pick up trucks with thick necks who can score, hit, annoy and lead.

We also need big hard D.


- Cush29

We'll just ignore what you need for now. You must be quite proud!

I always note with Matthews that he hasn't led us anywhere in the playoffs and that is obviously his largest drawback. That said Matthews has won a Calder, 3 Richard trophies, a Hart and a Pearson (Lindsay). He's been a 1st team allstar and this year he (or McDavid) has a solid shot at being the 2nd team allstar behind MacKinnon. I don't think he's winning the Byng, Selke or Lindsay this year - but he's in the top-3.

Matthews' new contract is based at 15.2% and MacKinnon's new contract is based at 15.1% of the cap the first year they are in effect. McDavid's is a 15.7% deal expiring in two years. Ovechkin's big deal in 2008 was 16.8%; Crosby's, signed the same year, was 15.4%.

In the constantly shifting sands of player evaluation, Matthews does an awful lot of things better than almost anyone else. You look at Selke voting and you'll see Matthews and Marner there pretty routinely. Back in 2021 MacKinnon was 22nd and McDavid was 27th - that's about where they each peaked in Selke voting.

Matthews is probably paid pretty fairly - and I hope that will reflect itself as the cap raises and his salary aligns into the elite sphere. Marner shouldn't be underrated. The guy is an elite player - a 2 time 1st team All-Star and 3rd in Selke voting last year. His playoff woes shouldn't make us rush to try and offload him unless there is a value in making the move.

their biggest mistake was hiring Holland as GM who in turn thought Jack Campbell was the solution to their goal tending woes.
- wingz4life

That isn't close to Holland's biggest issue.

Nurse is signed like a Norris winner for eternity and Ceci is his Robin who has been the worst defenseman in the NHL by metrics for a decade.

That isn't close to Holland's biggest issue.

Nurse is signed like a Norris winner for eternity and Ceci is his Robin who has been the worst defenseman in the NHL by metrics for a decade.
- AdamFrench

so youre saying Marner for Nurse?

***Wedgie checks the 2022-23 Official Toronto Maple Leafs Prediction Thread****

Ummm.......
- Atomic Wedgie

OK, so I was curious.

Here's the results:

Dozzer:
The best move Dubas did in the off-season was:
Not resigning Campbell at that length and cost.

Gigsie:
The best move Dubas did in the off-season was: Not sign Campbell long term to big $$$.

Fakesie:
The best move Dubas did in the off-season was:
Letting Campbell walk.

Wedgie:
The best move Dubas did in the off-season was: replacing the goalies. I wish Campbell the best of success in Edmonton, but the guy wasn't mentally cut out to be Toronto's goalie. Murray > Campbell, and my puck bag placed in front of the net > Mrazek.

Also Wedgie:
Worst player/$: running out of time here, so I'm going to say Campbell. Sorry, Oilers fans.

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I'm the only guy who slagged Campbell twice, so I guess I win?!?!?!?

how could the Leafs missed the boat when the boat would not let them on ....
- dmnted

Not true.

Tree wanted Z and Tanev and salary retention. He was greedy IMO.