While I wouldn't trade my 1st rounders as a normal course of action during the first few years of a rebuild, it wouldn't be the worse situation if the guy you are acquiring is very young and will be able to contribute greatly when you are ready to compete.

Is Newhook worth what you gave up for him? Maybe. Would I trade #20 for Holloway? at first thought, I would as he's young, and think he has potential to grow with Bedard.

Would Edmonton do it?? Can't see why.
- vabeachbear

Trading a first rounder for a middle six guy whose career high is 9 points, and has a whopping 2 points in 10 playoff games… yeah no. We have plenty of bangers who can’t score on this team. I know Holloway was taken 14th overall and is still very new, but I’m not accelerating the rebuild at the cost of a valuable pick.

While I wouldn't trade my 1st rounders as a normal course of action during the first few years of a rebuild, it wouldn't be the worse situation if the guy you are acquiring is very young and will be able to contribute greatly when you are ready to compete.

Is Newhook worth what you gave up for him? Maybe. Would I trade #20 for Holloway? at first thought, I would as he's young, and think he has potential to grow with Bedard.

Would Edmonton do it?? Can't see why.
- vabeachbear

Trading a first rounder for a middle six guy whose career high is 9 points, and has a whopping 2 points in 10 playoff games… yeah no. We have plenty of bangers who can’t score on this team. I know Holloway was taken 14th overall and is still very new, but I’m not accelerating the rebuild at the cost of a valuable pick.

This isn't baseball.

I want Bedard challenging for cups between 20 and until he falls apart. Not at 25 like Mackinnon or McDavid where they'll probably only get one shot.

That way they get two attempts, not dissimilar how Stamkos had a run to the conference finals before Cooper took over and then him and Kucherov as a pair had a shot at two (14-15 losing to the hawks and the conference finals the next year) until they ultimately won back to back.

Same thing with Crosby. Had their initial run and won two. Retooled. Won two again.

Datsyuk was able to have two separate runs 6 or 7 years apart.

Toews and Kane should have had a second shot if the pro scouting didn't suck.

For that to happen they need to start building a team now, not sitting on their Richards waiting for all of their flowers to blossom.

MacKinnon will be 29 to start next year. Not a lot of options for that group other than to run it back until he slows down but they could very well be one and done. Makar looks pretty beat up at this stage, how long will he be able to maintain that elite level of skating? If there is a miracle of modern science and Landeskog comes back maybe they have one more deep run in them.

They don't need to be a playoff team next year but they do need to be good enough to go on a heater and tease being in a wild card spot (kinda like Philly did but hopefully less theatrical).
- fattybeef

First of all it is so much more than baseball than any sport, you get a generational player in basketball your team is going to the playoffs, generational QB your team will be at least 500, generational baseball player your team will still suck just like hockey.

I envision a different scenario, i envision KD drafting well and plentiful, as the years go on and you start winning you have a farm system that replaces hockey players you can't afford anymore. You already have us sucking for a window of time to win another cup. Like Danny i love the theory of KDs vision, what if, just what if you can do this with having higher draft picks and tons of talent in your system, so if you are like the NJ Devils and trade for Meier it doesn't cost you 4 players you can't sign, instead you have 4 players in the system who are on their ELCs and are ready for big boy hockey.


I didn't think the LVGK could buy a Cup but they did, so why can't this work?
Speaking of LVGK when they did their expansion draft no one thought they would make the playoffs, then no one thought they'd win a playoff series then they did. They did this by selecting solid hockey players that teams felt they could do without, sprinkle in a few stars and you have a playoff team. Curious to see what KD does because he's got the cap space to sign a few good solid hockey players.

I saw someone put a list out of signing FA's the only thing missing to me was another RD man other wise i like the list

Let's not forget,MacKinnon didn't turn into this beast until his 4th or 5th season.
Bedard could possibly start beast mode next season if they put a few players around him.

I haven't seen MacKinnon or Makar slow down thus far. I believe they'll have the same production for another few years. Col just needs to make sure the rest of the team is adequate
- captainserious

For sure those guys can keep going for a while yet, the most elite players typically don't fall off a cliff as early as the average "good" player.

Watching clips of Yegor Surin, who currently has 23 points in 19 MHL playoff games (second best for a draft-eligible prospect in league history), and my goodness. Would love to somehow find a way to get a Russian double-dip of Demidov and Surin.

The only way the Cup winners and challengers can keep in step to continue being " playoff facters" are heftier salary drops, trades for "Hagel's" who are cap looseness, and low end salaries on the rosters lower end, and they can be UFAs OR you can subscribe to Kyle's idea of lots of TRADING draft picks and in the years when you have more than enough (last year AND this year) you draft picks for future drafts so that maybe you havea steady stream of home grown prospects that can offer Cap stability in the mid roster and bottom.

You gotta lose parts.
You always retool season to season anyway.
You make sure your team knows that the salalries will be hard ball compromises.
The player can stay or go just like they were forced in the previous Championship runs.

"Building something" is not a bad stance to your kids so they actually control what their agenst help decide, based on their agreement on "Building something."

Watching clips of Yegor Surin, who currently has 23 points in 19 MHL playoff games (second best for a draft-eligible prospect in league history), and my goodness. Would love to somehow find a way to get a Russian double-dip of Demidov and Surin.
- TommyHawk

He is a nasty thing isn't he?

I just moved him to #21 slot:

https://www.lines.com/nhl.../player/yegor-surin-40504

He play any of the three forward positions.


He has been in various mock slots in my mock since Christamsn and I had him in the 18-31 range, and just moved him down from 17/18 to #21 b/c I was feeling pressure that I was Tigger on him (The only one...) but this calss ahs some real NHL worthy prospects and the best crop of Russians in awhile.

Well someone on this board wouldn't like it. Said that the GM from Montreal was stupid for trading their second first round pick (#31) for Newhook. I heard you don't trade #1 picks in a rebuild.
- LAHawk

Depends who trading that 1st for

He is a nasty thing isn't he?

I just moved him to #21 slot:

https://www.lines.com/nhl.../player/yegor-surin-40504

He play any of the three forward positions.
- wiz1901

Love to see that Wiz. Most mocks/rankings have him as an early 2nd rounder but I think he sneaks up pretty close to 20 when all is said and done. He’s got size, snarl (100 PIM this season), and looks to be a really projectable talent on both ends of the ice.

He is a nasty thing isn't he?

I just moved him to #21 slot:

https://www.lines.com/nhl.../player/yegor-surin-40504

He play any of the three forward positions.


He has been in various mock slots in my mock since Christamsn and I had him in the 18-31 range, and just moved him down from 17/18 to #21 b/c I was feeling pressure that I was Tigger on him (The only one...) but this calss ahs some real NHL worthy prospects and the best crop of Russians in awhile.
- wiz1901[/quote]


Surin or Chernyshov please! Really think it’s time we take a swing in the Russian well.

Trading a first rounder for a middle six guy whose career high is 9 points, and has a whopping 2 points in 10 playoff games… yeah no. We have plenty of bangers who can’t score on this team. I know Holloway was taken 14th overall and is still very new, but I’m not accelerating the rebuild at the cost of a valuable pick.
- ObeseOprah

He’s 22 years old, the odds of the Hawks drafting someone with that pick better than Holloway are slim, but no worries, the Oilers will not trade Holloway for that return unless the Hawks take a contract back.

He’s 22 years old, the odds of the Hawks drafting someone with that pick better than Holloway are slim, but no worries, the Oilers will not trade Holloway for that return unless the Hawks take a contract back.
- Angotti

So, Campbell and Holloway for - a third rounder in 2025?

So, Campbell and Holloway for - a third rounder in 2025?
- totem

IMO, We'd have to get more than Holloway to take that awful contract.
Holloway projects to be what, maybe middle 6, might not be more than 3rd line.

Edit: I like the idea though, but for me, just I'm not sure if Edmonton has much of what we need.

I'm just saying 5'11 and listed at 180 lbs is not a lot. And that is if you believe he even hits 180, most the time they exaggerate. Crosby was listed at 193 lbs when he was drafted at a younger at 17. Nathan MacKinnon was 6 foot and ~200 lbs at age 17 and the extra 10-20 lbs makes a difference. Bedard was listed at 5'10 and 185 and we watched him get knocked down rather easily at the NHL level all season.

Nobody said anything about grinders, so not sure where you were going with that.

I'm not saying Demidov won't be a decent pick for whichever team picks him, but I would be shocked if he compares in leg strength to guys like Mac/Crosby at the same age with his smaller size. He might look impressive driving the net against 16-20 year old players in Russian Jr. He might get to that level of strength and size, but some scouting reports have already highlighted how he has issues defensively because of his size. He is probably going to be a good player, but his size if accurate isn't that impressive.
- breadbag

He wil be a difference maker

I dont think levshunov is the bpa after celebrini.. he may not even be the best defenseman available. I say go for it… demidov with #2.. then trade up for a dman or a quality forward like eiserman or catton.

Rick Westhead

@rwesthead
A woman who worked for the Chicago Blackhawks is suing the NHL team and its charity, accusing them of breach of contract, fraud and sexual harassment.
The woman said in her lawsuit that she was pushed out after she was hired on improve the team’s relationships with the Native American community.
In the lawsuit, the woman said she was sexually harassed in 2022 by a man working with the Blackhawks. The lawsuit accuses him of "inappropriate sexual advances," touching her "without her consent", and also of sending her unwanted "sexually explicit videos of him" on Snapchat.
The lawsuit also said the woman reported two other incidents of women being groped at Blackhawks events by men working with the team.
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I dont think levshunov is the bpa after celebrini.. he may not even be the best defenseman available. I say go for it… demidov with #2.. then trade up for a dman or a quality forward like eiserman or catton.
- LFS

Scott Powers interviewed Roman Kantserov (Blackhawks 2nd round pick in 2023) and he dropped an interesting little nugget about Demidov:


The Blackhawks have the second pick in the draft, and Ivan Demidov is one of the players who could go early. What do you know about him? I think you played against him some in the MHL.

(Interpreter) He is saying congratulations to the Chicago Blackhawks in the second pick. He’s really happy for the team. He does know Demidov. He doesn’t know him as well, but he definitely is aware of the fact that he is a great skater, a great shooter, everything you can only mention in the young player and the huge prospect and player he is. Unfortunately, there are some circumstances with St. Petersburg SKA. I would say they’re creating some hurdles for him to come to the NHL and to be selected in the draft. So hopefully it’s all going to be resolved and he get his chance to play in NHL. But he has another year of playing for SKA, and hopefully after that, they will let him come to the NHL and he gets his chance to play in the NHL because he’s a brilliant player on the ice.

I dont think levshunov is the bpa after celebrini.. he may not even be the best defenseman available. I say go for it… demidov with #2.. then trade up for a dman or a quality forward like eiserman or catton.
- LFS

Maybe the Blackhawks have their eyes on the other Russian, the bigger one with the mean streak and mobility at six seven...

Rick Westhead

@rwesthead
A woman who worked for the Chicago Blackhawks is suing the NHL team and its charity, accusing them of breach of contract, fraud and sexual harassment.
The woman said in her lawsuit that she was pushed out after she was hired on improve the team’s relationships with the Native American community.
In the lawsuit, the woman said she was sexually harassed in 2022 by a man working with the Blackhawks. The lawsuit accuses him of "inappropriate sexual advances," touching her "without her consent", and also of sending her unwanted "sexually explicit videos of him" on Snapchat.
The lawsuit also said the woman reported two other incidents of women being groped at Blackhawks events by men working with the team.
Via
@CBSNews
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https://cbsnews.com/chica...Anthem&utm_source=twitter
- LAHawk

Just read the article, I don’t think she has a case. People she’s accusing of harassment never worked for the Hawks.

Another chapter about to be written eh

The Chicago Diddlers

Such a shame. Historic Original Six - turned into pervert town

So, Campbell and Holloway for - a third rounder in 2025?
- totem

Campbell coming back with Holloway is not really the desirable outcome, too costly to buyout.

The accuracy of that Makar wrist shot is just special

Just read the article, I don’t think she has a case. People she’s accusing of harassment never worked for the Hawks.
- ObeseOprah

Westhead also seems to have an ax to grind with the Blackhawks. He hasn't reported anything on the Sharks scandal that came out last week. https://www.reddit.com/r/...arks_sued_over_child_sex/

Take Westhead with a large grain of salt.

Westhead also seems to have an ax to grind with the Blackhawks. He hasn't reported anything on the Sharks scandal that came out last week. https://www.reddit.com/r/...arks_sued_over_child_sex/

Take Westhead with a large grain of salt.
- wizardofi

Hawks also have another lawsuit regarding Aldrich. This article is from Emily Kaplan. Seems like Danny is dealing with lawsuits like his dad did.


https://www.espn.com/nhl/...d-again-ignoring-assaults

Hawks also have another lawsuit regarding Aldrich. This article is from Emily Kaplan. Seems like Danny is dealing with lawsuits like his dad did.


https://www.espn.com/nhl/...d-again-ignoring-assaults
- LAHawk

That's from Nov, 2023