Anyone else see Sielski’s article in the Inqy about Bernie? About the ‘73-74 season he says, “Take Parent off that club, and there’s no championship to celebrate. The Bullies would have been goons and nothing more.” Bernie was great and it was a nice article, but come on that’s just ridiculous. Why would a Philly spirts writer say that?
- Dkos

I read no further than the byline.

Without Parent, the Flyers reached the Cup semis in 1973, beat the Habs in Game 1 and threw a scare into them in two of the four losses. That was before Parent returned to Philly in the offseason -- actually, today in the anniversary of the trade with Toronto.

The first Cup wouldn't have happened without Parent. No doubt.

The second Cup? As great as Bernie was in 1974-75, there are alumni of the two Cup teams who have said the Flyers still could have won the second Cup with Wayne Stephenson in net if need be.

In 1975-76, Parent missed most of the season and much of the playoffs due to neck surgery. With Stephenson in net, the Flyers were still the NHL's best regular season club, beat Red Army, and reached the Finals again. Having a healthy Parent (and Rick MacLeish) against Montreal certainly would have helped.

But "more than goons without Parent" is a pile of crap.

They weren't a laughing stock because they were losing... they were a laughing stock because all that losing was unintentional lol.

People knew what the 'Hawks and Sharks were trying to do. And with Bedard and Celebrini in hand the ends will likely justify the means.

Meanwhile the Flyers are either too proud, too honorable and/or too profit-driven to do the deed and have 50-years of nothing to show for it.

And if they're not gonna be willing to tank then they should have been investing all their time and resources into giving their scouts and talent evaluators some competitive edge but they didn't do that either. Just the same old philosophy of splashy trades and wasting money in UFA.
- Tomahawk

or just plain incompetent!!!

do they want to make a profit yes 100%. Though to me the flyers are a toy for comcast and not a big deal if they didn't imo as they have much more important buisness then the flyers. maybe I am wrong just my take,

I think, you missed sarcasm there.
- missingmike

No I got it….just furthering my point.

or just plain incompetent!!!

do they want to make a profit yes 100%. Though to me the flyers are a toy for comcast and not a big deal if they didn't imo as they have much more important buisness then the flyers. maybe I am wrong just my take,
- hello it's me 2050

I don't think they care if the Flyers specifically lose money or not... it's just a multi-million dollar line item in a multi-billion dollar budget.

But as a whole they use the Flyers as a feather in their cap to boost the real profit-centers (TV, streaming, ad sales, arena/events).

or just plain incompetent!!!

do they want to make a profit yes 100%. Though to me the flyers are a toy for comcast and not a big deal if they didn't imo as they have much more important buisness then the flyers. maybe I am wrong just my take,
- hello it's me 2050

Hard to argue this organizations incompetence. This "rebuild" is just another marketing slogan and it has been from the very beginning. For all of the talk surrounding trades does anyone really think the Flyers are truly going to move TK and Laughton?! They apparently had a chance to move Laughton multiple times and decided his leadership and intangibles are needed. Wash, rinse, repeat. The organization over values its own players.

Hard to argue this organizations incompetence. This "rebuild" is just another marketing slogan and it has been from the very beginning. For all of the talk surrounding trades does anyone really think the Flyers are truly going to move TK and Laughton?! They apparently had a chance to move Laughton multiple times and decided his leadership and intangibles are needed. Wash, rinse, repeat. The organization over values its own players.
- Flyfly

the incompetence is right there for all to see. anyone arguing otherwise should seek help

"Relevant" or not those teams were equally as hopeless at the end of the day.

Ass backwards philosophy prioritizing big centers over goaltending and defensemen. They never had a chance against teams like Jersey, Detroit and Colorado. '97 showed as much.
- Tomahawk

I don’t think that’s true at all. Goaltending always seemed faulty. They at least were in the fight. I mean it was a different game back then and perhaps that philosophy lived a few years to many…but at least they started most of those years as a contender….when’s the last time we could say that?

It takes someone to make tough decisions. The last GM with the balls to trade away prime talent was Holmgren when he swapped out both faces of the franchise in Richards and Carter just coming into their prime. It was a franchise altering day. It wouldn’t be easy to part with Konecnyand a Farabee ….or to a lesser extent Laughton. But if they were ever serious about an actually proper rebuild then those are the choices that have to be made….otherwise this organization will just continue to spin its wheels.
- landros 2

Scott laugton 🤣

Scott laugton 🤣
- Fopa21

Exactly.

If they are to take a step back then they should not be buying out anyone. As long as torts is the coach he will prioritize vets over kids and will try to get every point he can.

Dollars to donuts that if the team is competing early in the year you will be the first to scream torts for the jack adams award
- corduroy

Definitely will prioritize vets! He scratched Atkinson a lot & Couts & Staal but they haven’t reached vet status yet 🤡

Definitely will prioritize vets! He scratched Atkinson a lot & Couts & Staal but they haven’t reached vet status yet 🤡
- Fopa21

nd played 75% of the games - he played more games that bb
es played over half when factoring in the week or two he missed with injuries
ca played 88% of the games
sc was scratched for 2 games
ra dressed for 14% of games
ea dressed for 11%
ol dressed for 21%
mf was scratched for 13% of the season

facts are a pesky thing

the incompetence is right there for all to see. anyone arguing otherwise should seek help
- hello it's me 2050

Saw and article talking about Buffalo and Montreal maybe would look to move picks to get NHL help.

Montreal I know wants to get out of the Anderson deal. Would you take that one to get the 5 OA.

To MON: Farabee, FLA 2024 1st
To Philly: 2024 1st(5OA), Anderson, maybe something else?

Money would work since bother are about the same. Anderson has 3 more years but I would rather him in the lineup over Deslaurier who I think should be sent to Lehigh.

This might not work but the jist is they need to be creative.

At 5 and 12 you could get two top end building blocks.

nd played 75% of the games - he played more games that bb
es played over half when factoring in the week or two he missed with injuries
ca played 88% of the games
sc was scratched for 2 games
ra dressed for 14% of games
ea dressed for 11%
ol dressed for 21%
mf was scratched for 13% of the season

facts are a pesky thing
- corduroy

Indeed they are. Facts are when someone isn’t playing well Torts will sit them. Example Couts & everyone was up in arms when he did so just admit that some will always criticize Torts no matter what. Instead of giving credit for having a dogpoop team in contention until the last week of season & everyone picked this team to finish dead last behind teams like NJ Buff Ott with 10x more young talent.

Saw and article talking about Buffalo and Montreal maybe would look to move picks to get NHL help.

Montreal I know wants to get out of the Anderson deal. Would you take that one to get the 5 OA.

To MON: Farabee, FLA 2024 1st
To Philly: 2024 1st(5OA), Anderson, maybe something else?

Money would work since bother are about the same. Anderson has 3 more years but I would rather him in the lineup over Deslaurier who I think should be sent to Lehigh.

This might not work but the jist is they need to be creative.

At 5 and 12 you could get two top end building blocks.
- J35Bacher

I try to leave joel out and trade him separately if possible. Def food for thought.

Maybe florida 1st, Col 1st in 2025, plus??? For anderson and 5? Unlikely probably.

The Facts are the Flyers have the NHL's 7th worst record with Torts as coach. And are dead last on the powerplay by a significant margin.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...layPct&page=0&pageSize=50

The Facts are the Flyers have the NHL's 7th worst record with Torts as coach. And are dead last on the powerplay by a significant margin.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...layPct&page=0&pageSize=50
- Feanor

Everyone knows drafting has been an issue

Everyone knows drafting has been an issue
- Fopa21

Drafting is not why their PP is much worse than teams that are deliberately tanking. Torts and Rocky have no clue how coach a powerplay.

I try to leave joel out and trade him separately if possible. Def food for thought.

Maybe florida 1st, Col 1st in 2025, plus??? For anderson and 5? Unlikely probably.
- hello it's me 2050

I don't want to trade Farabee, but I feel he would fit since both teams seem to want young vet forwards.

I would like to keep my picks in 2025 because I could get behind what you said if they were to get another 1st somehow next year.

Drafting is not why their PP is much worse than teams that are deliberately tanking. Torts and Rocky have no clue how coach a powerplay.
- Feanor

So if Torts had outstanding PPs in TB, NYR who gets credit for that? The players? & the Fact that Zero offensive talent here in Philly Torts is to blame? 🤣 🤡

So farabee has sucked Sans Torts also?
- Just5

wonder what his deal is

imagine being a slop team like the flyers and pretty much capped out.

torts runs the show at the nhl level. why can't you accept that?
- hello it's me 2050

Because he doesn't run the show. He has inputs into the show which every experience coach would have, but ultimately DB makes the call.

Because he doesn't run the show. He has inputs into the show which every experience coach would have, but ultimately DB makes the call.
- jd250

he does run the show open your eyes

If they are to take a step back then they should not be buying out anyone. As long as torts is the coach he will prioritize vets over kids and will try to get every point he can.

Dollars to donuts that if the team is competing early in the year you will be the first to scream torts for the jack adams award
- corduroy

They might unintentionally take a step back points wise, but they will try to build upon last season and try to get in the playoffs.

I've given up on the "rebuild" talk until they are ready to have a coach go through with it.

I read no further than the byline.

Without Parent, the Flyers reached the Cup semis in 1973, beat the Habs in Game 1 and threw a scare into them in two of the four losses. That was before Parent returned to Philly in the offseason -- actually, today in the anniversary of the trade with Toronto.

The first Cup wouldn't have happened without Parent. No doubt.

The second Cup? As great as Bernie was in 1974-75, there are alumni of the two Cup teams who have said the Flyers still could have won the second Cup with Wayne Stephenson in net if need be.

In 1975-76, Parent missed most of the season and much of the playoffs due to neck surgery. With Stephenson in net, the Flyers were still the NHL's best regular season club, beat Red Army, and reached the Finals again. Having a healthy Parent (and Rick MacLeish) against Montreal certainly would have helped.

But "more than goons without Parent" is a pile of crap.
- bmeltzer

I think this argument is more about who the back-up was. BT was atrocious and only played a handful of games

Given the cap situation the Flyers are in currently, if they are not willing to trade veteran players like Laughton and Farabee for example, they will need to buy out Atkinson to create some space to sign their RFAs like Zamula, or extend York who will deserve it. Torts is wired to win hockey games, and that is what a coach should do. Its up to DB to be sure Torts does not have too many veterans to play, so it's imperative DB does not sign any more veteran players this off season, players like Staal for example. I heard talk about the Flyers bringing back Eric Johnson for another season, that would be a BIG mistake IMO.
- jd250

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Can't play what you don't have.