or just plain incompetent!!!

do they want to make a profit yes 100%. Though to me the flyers are a toy for comcast and not a big deal if they didn't imo as they have much more important buisness then the flyers. maybe I am wrong just my take,
- hello it's me 2050

big companies like comcast usually have separate departments and hilferty would still have targets and such to answer for. I dont think they view they flyers as not a big deal. But...maybe im wrong also

Seems like a fun time to jump over to the Blackhawks.
- Dkos

And they are being sued yet AGAIN for another sexual harassment case. This time by a PR woman.


https://bleacherreport.co...ual-harassment-fraud-more

They will probably get another top 3 pick as a reward.

And they are being sued yet AGAIN for another sexual harassment case. This time by a PR woman.


https://bleacherreport.co...ual-harassment-fraud-more

They will probably get another top 3 pick as a reward.
- MBFlyerfan

Sanders is also accusing the Blackhawks of fraud by enticing her to accept the role with the organization with indications they planned to change their logo without any intention of actually doing so, per Savini and Assad.


lol

/****/

The people identified in Sanders' harassment allegations "are not, and have never been, independent contractors with nor employees of the Chicago Blackhawks," the organization said.

looks like a $$ grab to me initially.

Because he doesn't run the show. He has inputs into the show which every experience coach would have, but ultimately DB makes the call.
- jd250

There doesn’t seem to be any clarity that he has free reign tho. It looks like there has to be consensus from ‘The 3’ for any major decision making. The Flyers could say it’s a check and balance to insulate a green GM from bad decisions. But it’s an untenable situation for a proven GM. DB’s power is muted from above and below. Ir looks like he has to get consensus from Torts to fire him. Briere’s wife should be driving home that he’s a tinker toy GM fall guy. I feel for Briere.

Briere could turn this to his advantage by making a string of really good moves then leveraging for autonomy.

So if Torts had outstanding PPs in TB, NYR who gets credit for that? The players? & the Fact that Zero offensive talent here in Philly Torts is to blame? 🤣 🤡
- Fopa21

Did you see the BJ's PP for the six years when Torts was coach?

https://www.nhl.com/stats...layPct&page=0&pageSize=50

3rd worst in the entire NHL.

There doesn’t seem to be any clarity that he has free reign tho. It looks like there has to be consensus from ‘The 3’ for any major decision making. The Flyers could say it’s a check and balance to insulate a green GM from bad decisions. But it’s an untenable situation for a proven GM. DB’s power is muted from above and below. Ir looks like he has to get consensus from Torts to fire him. Briere’s wife should be driving home that he’s a tinker toy GM fall guy. I feel for Briere.

Briere could turn this to his advantage by making a string of really good moves then leveraging for autonomy.
- Minnyhock

This may play out similar to with the Eagles when Chip Kelly and Howie Roseman were in a battle for power. Right now, the one with the most influence, which is undoubtedly Tortorella, is who is in control. Tortorella has to fail and or fall out of favor for that to change. Right now, it's Tortorella's show.

This may play out similar to with the Eagles when Chip Kelly and Howie Roseman were in a battle for power. Right now, the one with the most influence, which is undoubtedly Tortorella, is who is in control. Tortorella has to fail and or fall out of favor for that to change. Right now, it's Tortorella's show.
- MJL

Certainly seems that way. Torts, for better or worse, is the face of the franchise at the moment.

Nothing to do with the cap. It was a Flyer mindset supported by the owner. Now it’s just excuses.
- landros 2

The owner deserves considerable credit for laying the foundation and for the early success. And he is rightly revered for that. But he also derserves significant blame for laying the foundations of this malaise and does not get enough criticism for that:

1. A constant short term instant gratification mindset, esp. after 1980s. Not a single contending club level 1D or 1C developed in house. A seqeuence of just buying stars and throwing them at team without any idea of how they would fit. Throwing away young talent if they don't develop quick enough.
2. A development of a mindset among fans that is excessively devoted to aura (Broad Street Bullies. Kate Smith. Red ARmy shenananigans) and passion and the notion that hockey is mostly brawn with optional brains and that teams that play hard and play the right way are the ones that end up winning. This aura creates the foundation for why a guy like Torts is brought here and why he is popular in spite of evidence that should limit his popularity.
3. The failure to foresee the effects of the salary cap and the consequences of the Bettman regime (expansion, tv deals making hockey more 'scenic' for casual tv by eliminating clutch and grab etc) on the game and what it would mean for the Flyers way.
4. The sale of the franchise to Comcast, which he must have known or should have known will largely treat the team as a programming segment.

I see Snider as a far more savvy businessman than people realize. Yet the fan base seems to think he was above commerce and was all passion.

Did you see the BJ's PP for the six years when Torts was coach?

https://www.nhl.com/stats...layPct&page=0&pageSize=50

3rd worst in the entire NHL.
- Feanor

08-09: NYR 29th
09-10: NYR 13th
10-11: NYR 18th
11-12: NYR 23rd
12-13: NYR 22nd
13-14: VAN 26th
15-16: CBJ 21st
16-17: CBJ 12th
17-18: CBJ 25th
18-19: CBJ 28th
19-20: CBJ 27th
20-21: CBJ 27th
22-23: PHI 32nd
23-24: PHI 32nd

Anyone else see Sielski’s article in the Inqy about Bernie? About the ‘73-74 season he says, “Take Parent off that club, and there’s no championship to celebrate. The Bullies would have been goons and nothing more.” Bernie was great and it was a nice article, but come on that’s just ridiculous. Why would a Philly spirts writer say that?
- Dkos

For the same reason that Bill posted so many blogs a day over the past week, leading to the busiest blog week I recall probably ever.

Sportwriters need clicks. Be thankful the way to bring them about is not something worse in these 2 cases.

The owner deserves considerable credit for laying the foundation and for the early success. And he is rightly revered for that. But he also derserves significant blame for laying the foundations of this malaise and does not get enough criticism for that:

1. A constant short term instant gratification mindset, esp. after 1980s. Not a single contending club level 1D or 1C developed in house. A seqeuence of just buying stars and throwing them at team without any idea of how they would fit. Throwing away young talent if they don't develop quick enough.
2. A development of a mindset among fans that is excessively devoted to aura (Broad Street Bullies. Kate Smith. Red ARmy shenananigans) and passion and the notion that hockey is mostly brawn with optional brains and that teams that play hard and play the right way are the ones that end up winning. This aura creates the foundation for why a guy like Torts is brought here and why he is popular in spite of evidence that should limit his popularity.
3. The failure to foresee the effects of the salary cap and the consequences of the Bettman regime (expansion, tv deals making hockey more 'scenic' for casual tv by eliminating clutch and grab etc) on the game and what it would mean for the Flyers way.
4. The sale of the franchise to Comcast, which he must have known or should have known will largely treat the team as a programming segment.

I see Snider as a far more savvy businessman than people realize. Yet the fan base seems to think he was above commerce and was all passion.
- PT21

100%

I'd sooner stick my Richard in a wood chipper
- Tomahawk

Isn't a 'wood' chipper mean for d1cks?

The owner deserves considerable credit for laying the foundation and for the early success. And he is rightly revered for that. But he also derserves significant blame for laying the foundations of this malaise and does not get enough criticism for that:

1. A constant short term instant gratification mindset, esp. after 1980s. Not a single contending club level 1D or 1C developed in house. A seqeuence of just buying stars and throwing them at team without any idea of how they would fit. Throwing away young talent if they don't develop quick enough.
2. A development of a mindset among fans that is excessively devoted to aura (Broad Street Bullies. Kate Smith. Red ARmy shenananigans) and passion and the notion that hockey is mostly brawn with optional brains and that teams that play hard and play the right way are the ones that end up winning. This aura creates the foundation for why a guy like Torts is brought here and why he is popular in spite of evidence that should limit his popularity.
3. The failure to foresee the effects of the salary cap and the consequences of the Bettman regime (expansion, tv deals making hockey more 'scenic' for casual tv by eliminating clutch and grab etc) on the game and what it would mean for the Flyers way.
4. The sale of the franchise to Comcast, which he must have known or should have known will largely treat the team as a programming segment.

I see Snider as a far more savvy businessman than people realize. Yet the fan base seems to think he was above commerce and was all passion.
- PT21

Well said.

The owner deserves considerable credit for laying the foundation and for the early success. And he is rightly revered for that. But he also derserves significant blame for laying the foundations of this malaise and does not get enough criticism for that:

1. A constant short term instant gratification mindset, esp. after 1980s. Not a single contending club level 1D or 1C developed in house. A seqeuence of just buying stars and throwing them at team without any idea of how they would fit. Throwing away young talent if they don't develop quick enough.
2. A development of a mindset among fans that is excessively devoted to aura (Broad Street Bullies. Kate Smith. Red ARmy shenananigans) and passion and the notion that hockey is mostly brawn with optional brains and that teams that play hard and play the right way are the ones that end up winning. This aura creates the foundation for why a guy like Torts is brought here and why he is popular in spite of evidence that should limit his popularity.
3. The failure to foresee the effects of the salary cap and the consequences of the Bettman regime (expansion, tv deals making hockey more 'scenic' for casual tv by eliminating clutch and grab etc) on the game and what it would mean for the Flyers way.
4. The sale of the franchise to Comcast, which he must have known or should have known will largely treat the team as a programming segment.

I see Snider as a far more savvy businessman than people realize. Yet the fan base seems to think he was above commerce and was all passion.
- PT21

Agree on the business acumen of Snider. Built a franchise from scratch into something pretty special….of course mistakes were made. As far as the salary cap era and the Flyers inability to sustain success I agree…mistakes are harder to fix when you can’t spend your way out of them.
Back then you could have a more “for today” approach. Today we see how several bad contracts are a heck of a lot harder to get out from under.
But one reason I always loved the Flyers is they always tried to remain relevant….yes there was mistakes…but I’d rather that approach to this half azzed approach that no one truly seems to know what direction the team is actually going.

Agree on the business acumen of Snider. Built a franchise from scratch into something pretty special….of course mistakes were made. As far as the salary cap era and the Flyers inability to sustain success I agree…mistakes are harder to fix when you can’t spend your way out of them.
Back then you could have a more “for today” approach. Today we see how several bad contracts are a heck of a lot harder to get out from under.
But one reason I always loved the Flyers is they always tried to remain relevant….yes there was mistakes…but I’d rather that approach to this half azzed approach that no one truly seems to know what direction the team is actually going.
- landros 2

We know exactly what direction this team is going? That’s why they are laughingstocks of league. Anyone with a brain knows they needed to fully rebuild over last 10 years and we’ve seen probably over half the league do what what everyone knows what needs to be done to rebuild yet flyers continue same path.

Agree on the business acumen of Snider. Built a franchise from scratch into something pretty special….of course mistakes were made. As far as the salary cap era and the Flyers inability to sustain success I agree…mistakes are harder to fix when you can’t spend your way out of them.
Back then you could have a more “for today” approach. Today we see how several bad contracts are a heck of a lot harder to get out from under.
But one reason I always loved the Flyers is they always tried to remain relevant….yes there was mistakes…but I’d rather that approach to this half azzed approach that no one truly seems to know what direction the team is actually going.
- landros 2

Are these the only two choices? Why not have a systematic long term plan?

I suspect owners feel fans will not tune-in in enough numbers for a bloodless, dispassionate long term rebuild. And your "do what it takes to stay relevant" is not an option anymore because of cap.

This leaves what we have: muddling along in small circles. First pretending to rebuild (Hexatll). Then, when reuild predictably fails, pretending to be ready to contend (CF). Then, when that predictably fails, pretending to rebuild again (DB - Hextall redux).

TK is the Voracek of this era I guess.

Are these the only two choices? Why not have a systematic long term plan?

I suspect owners feel fans will not tune-in in enough numbers for a bloodless, dispassionate long term rebuild. And your "do what it takes to stay relevant" is not an option anymore because of cap.

This leaves what we have: muddling along in small circles. First pretending to rebuild (Hexatll). Then, when reuild predictably fails, pretending to be ready to contend (CF). Then, when that predictably fails, pretending to rebuild again (DB - Hextall redux).

TK is the Voracek of this era I guess.
- PT21

Of course those aren’t the only two choices….but they are the two in which I’m comparing. What the Flyers used to do….to what the Flyers are doing today and have done for the last decade.
I’d love option 3 where by the Flyers make the tough decisions that haven’t been made since the Holmgren era.

We know exactly what direction this team is going? That’s why they are laughingstocks of league. Anyone with a brain knows they needed to fully rebuild over last 10 years and we’ve seen probably over half the league do what what everyone knows what needs to be done to rebuild yet flyers continue same path.
- Stayin alive

I’m not that pessimistic…not yet anyways. I agree it’s pretty evident what they need to do…I’m not sold on DB actually doing it….until I see him do it.

Are these the only two choices? Why not have a systematic long term plan?

I suspect owners feel fans will not tune-in in enough numbers for a bloodless, dispassionate long term rebuild. And your "do what it takes to stay relevant" is not an option anymore because of cap.

This leaves what we have: muddling along in small circles. First pretending to rebuild (Hexatll). Then, when reuild predictably fails, pretending to be ready to contend (CF). Then, when that predictably fails, pretending to rebuild again (DB - Hextall redux).

TK is the Voracek of this era I guess.
- PT21

jake much more talented. give me tk every day on my team though.

I’m not that pessimistic…not yet anyways. I agree it’s pretty evident what they need to do…I’m not sold on DB actually doing it….until I see him do it.
- landros 2

Same boat here. Waiting for the tk shoe to drop. Sign him and I’m out on this team for good. Trade him I’m still in. I refuse to give another decade to dumbness

Same boat here. Waiting for the tk shoe to drop. Sign him and I’m out on this team for good. Trade him I’m still in. I refuse to give another decade to dumbness
- Stayin alive

Yeah, this summer is make or break for Danny imo. Sign TK and stand pat at 12 and this team is yet again a rudderless ship happy just to sniff the 8 seed.

I barely watched the Flyers this season as it is. If there isn’t some kind of meaningful overhaul to the core of this time there’s no reason to tune in anytime soon. We’ve seen that story played out time after time after time.

When you’re not making the playoffs year after year that’s a problem.
Ok every team has some kind of bad luck. Bad luck may affect a year and or cup run due to an injury for example. Good well run organizations adapt and make changes to correct any deficiencies.
The flyers have had bad luck but were also not run well for a long time.
Nolan Patrick for example was a situation where the flyers went with the consensus pick without doing any in depth investigation of Patrick or other prospects. I could be wrong but from anything I read the flyers didn’t want to screw up a lucky bounce and went with the safe pick.
The fans might have been upset if the flyers picked any of the other guys but hindsight shows it would have worked out better for the flyers.
The jury is still out on the current management.
Do they know what they don’t know?
I’m not to optimistic they do what’s best for the organization.
- bird_dog_pa

If you believe what’s come out since, it was Hextall who made the Patrick pick against the scouting staffs wishes. It does make sense because Hexy for the most part drafted safer 2-way player types than ever really risking a pick.

I honestly feel like Hexy’s tenure is when this organization really changed. Snider was supposedly on board for a rebuild but Hexy never did a true rebuild, instead opting for a middle ground and they’ve been stuck there ever since. I’m not sure Snider would have ever been patient enough for a true rebuild but we’ll never know. It does feel like there’s still this chase to live up to Snider but they’ll never be able to do that. You can still honor Snider and Flyers traditions while recognizing that in the cap era you have to build your team differently than before.

Cant trade sl - means to much to the room - who needs goals and assists when you have the intangibles of sotty laughton?
- corduroy

My assumption has been that they weren’t getting good offers for him and since he’s not a UFA they decided to wait and see if there were better offers in the off-season.

No…just miss the days when the organization did everything they could to be relevant every year. Now we get 6 year plans, T shirts with slogans about how the team is “back” and a team that’s most interesting personality is it’s 65 year old coach along with a player that’s not even on the team. I’ll take my nostalgia over this crap any day.
- landros 2

Nostalgia - a wistful desire to return in thought or in fact to a former time in one's life.

During Clarke and Homer’s tenure’s the Flyers made the Cup finals 4 times, the conf final another 5 times, and were routinely a contender. Pretty damn good to me.

As I listen to opinions from the various Flyers podcasts, it seems most believe the Flyers must make the playoffs next season to move another step forward with this rebuild. I don't agree. I think if DB and Jones are serious about a rebuild, it's quite possible the team takes a step back next year. But this will only happen if the team is willing to part with more veteran players and give more younger players consistent minutes to continue to develop. I love TK but if his salary demands are higher than the Flyers want to pay and there is a chance to get assets and a younger player with the potential to be a 1C or 1D in return, I would trade TK. But I would also look to trade players like Laughton and Farabee. Given the cap space issues the Flyers currently have, they will have to buy out Atkinson. The Flyers have to put off making the playoffs next season as a priority, and continue to get younger and open up roster spots for young player to develop. If the Flyers instead go after veterans to improve the PP for example, all it does is stagnate the rebuild because they will be stuck in middling land, not bad enough to land a elite talent player and not good enough to make a serious run for the Cup. DB has got to start parting with more veteran players and commit to a rebuild. Without a true 1C and 1D, this Flyers team is going no where, Michkov or no Michkov.
- jd250

Agree 100%. If they continue the half measured approach Hextall started, Michkov will just become what Giroux became. If they move TK, Farabee, Laughton and only take back picks or prospects, then there’s no need to buy out Atkinson. Let him be bad for the last year which would be a good thing so hopefully the Flyers have a better pick next season.