Citing plus/minus statistics? I'm sorry buddy, I didn't realize who I was talking to. I'll try to be nicer. And stop eating all your fruit snacks as well. Now then, isn't Bluey on the television or something?
- Kineada11

Who said anything about plus minus?

Who said anything about plus minus?
- Feds91Stammer

You did champ. Now I know sometimes it’s hard to remember that pluses and minuses go together, but keep trying pal! You’ll get this basic math stuff down in no time.

You did champ. Now I know sometimes it’s hard to remember that pluses and minuses go together, but keep trying pal! You’ll get this basic math stuff down in no time.
- Kineada11

I didn’t say anything about plus minus.

I didn’t say anything about plus minus.
- Feds91Stammer

That helmet might be getting too tight. We better talk to your folks about getting a new one. You don’t recall typing “97 is +20” and “Sid was +10”?

That helmet might be getting too tight. We better talk to your folks about getting a new one. You don’t recall typing “97 is +20” and “Sid was +10”?
- Kineada11

What does that have to do with plus minus?

What does that have to do with plus minus?
- Feds91Stammer

Are you just trying to troll now?

Are you just trying to troll now?
- Kineada11

No. Please explain what that has to do with plus minus.

No. Please explain what that has to do with plus minus.
- Feds91Stammer

If you don't understand what typing two instances of a player and their plus/minus statistics over a specified period of time has to do with plus/minus, then I'm afraid I don't posses enough crayons to effectively explain it to you.

Without looking I think both Connor and Leon average like 1.2 points per game in playoffs. Sid and Geno needed excellent goaltending in order to get their three rings... No ands, ifs or buts about it... In fact Fleury and Murray had to play at demi-God levels in some of those runs... Sometimes for a full series. The years the Pens fizzled out in one of the first two rounds with stacked rosters?.. Horrible goalie stats were involved, complete goalie meltdowns in some cases...
- MattStrat

Four Goal Fleury caused more harm than not People loved him because he was a nice guy but Meltdowns were a part of the problem with him He could have won multiple cups but did not with that team in front of him I said it before it was the main reason that Team Canada did not come calling They did not trust him at all
When you are taken Number one overall in a draft a lot is expected of you and Four Goal did not live up to expectations Lots of wins but not a lot of Cups That is how you are remembered in hockey circles Four Goal Fleury No Trust Fleury

Four Goal Fleury caused more harm than not People loved him because he was a nice guy but Meltdowns were a part of the problem with him He could have won multiple cups but did not with that team in front of him I said it before it was the main reason that Team Canada did not come calling They did not trust him at all
When you are taken Number one overall in a draft a lot is expected of you and Four Goal did not live up to expectations Lots of wins but not a lot of Cups That is how you are remembered in hockey circles Four Goal Fleury No Trust Fleury
- broncohorvath

Marc-Andre Fleury's name is on the Stanley Cup three times last time I looked.

The Vancouver/Edmonton series has been very entertaining. Two good teams playing fast and physical. Would love to have Ian Cole back.

Goaltending has been bad on both sides, with the exception of Silovs in the third period of game three.

If you don't understand what typing two instances of a player and their plus/minus statistics over a specified period of time has to do with plus/minus, then I'm afraid I don't posses enough crayons to effectively explain it to you.
- Kineada11

But nothing I posted was plus minus

How does a finger injury contribute to bad defensive reads?

I'm simply not playing along with goal post moving. The original claim made by Mr. Wilson was that the Oilers stars were good enough to win, except for goaltending. So either they've had crappy goaltending for nine years, or they're simply not good enough to win when the stakes are high, despite what Mr. Wilson might think of the individual stars. It's an easily verifiable fact. Period.

You seem to disagree with historical fact. I'm not sure why. Perhaps you have an unbounded admiration for these players. That's fine. Perhaps you feel personally offended by pointing out simple truths about their recorded game results. That's fine as well. You are free to like who you like. None of that changes the reality of the situation, those players have yet to be good enough to win it all.
- Kineada11

I did not move any goal post dum dum. I used your opinion and asked you to validate your opinion with historically evidence, you did not. By not being able to validate your opinion, you lost any credibility in your opinion.

But nothing I posted was plus minus
- Feds91Stammer

+10 and +20 doesn't refer to plus/minus? Do you just not know much about hockey? Or are you seriously trolling?

+10 and +20 doesn't refer to plus/minus? Do you just not know much about hockey? Or are you seriously trolling?
- Kineada11

Dude...just stop.

If you don't understand what typing two instances of a player and their plus/minus statistics over a specified period of time has to do with plus/minus, then I'm afraid I don't posses enough crayons to effectively explain it to you.
- Kineada11

Those are not plus/minus statistics. You lack the understanding of what plus/minus is.

Marc-Andre Fleury's name is on the Stanley Cup three times last time I looked.
- Kineada11

MAF was a very good goalie. Not great, but very good. Incredibly athletically gifted but with flaws in his fundamental game (thus all of the crazy athletic saves). He was prone to meltdowns like every goalie ever but, 2013 aside, he was usually good enough to win with.

Those are not plus/minus statistics. You lack the understanding of what plus/minus is.
- j.boyd919

Then what exactly is saying a player is +X if not plus/minus?

Dude...just stop.
- jmatchett383

I can't stop being right, sorry.

MAF was a very good goalie. Not great, but very good. Incredibly athletically gifted but with flaws in his fundamental game (thus all of the crazy athletic saves). He was prone to meltdowns like every goalie ever but, 2013 aside, he was usually good enough to win with.
- jmatchett383

No disagreement here. But to quote the person I responded to:

When you are taken Number one overall in a draft a lot is expected of you and Four Goal did not live up to expectations Lots of wins but not a lot of Cups That is how you are remembered in hockey circles Four Goal Fleury No Trust Fleury

I pointed out that Fleury won three Stanley Cups. Not sure what the other poster was referring to.

MAF was a very good goalie. Not great, but very good. Incredibly athletically gifted but with flaws in his fundamental game (thus all of the crazy athletic saves). He was prone to meltdowns like every goalie ever but, 2013 aside, he was usually good enough to win with.
- jmatchett383

100%

Not a great puck handler and got in over his head when he left the net.

Then what exactly is saying a player is +X if not plus/minus?
- Kineada11

There was more to that sentence that you’re not grasping. It’s okay.

There was more to that sentence that you’re not grasping. It’s okay.
- j.boyd919

It doesn't matter what else was in the sentence. He was referring to a plus/minus statistic and then denied doing so. You denied he did so as well. When he clearly did. What is it with folks around here? Am I unknowingly on a middle school hockey message board or something?

It doesn't matter what else was in the sentence. He was referring to a plus/minus statistic and then denied doing so. You denied he did so as well. When he clearly did. What is it with folks around here? Am I unknowingly on a middle school hockey message board or something?
- Kineada11

See, that’s where you’re wrong again.