Also if a team signs Marner 8 years, and they wait until after noon on July 1st to make the trade the team only has to pay 750K next year.

Actual money over 9 years will be low.
- Santo_44

totally disagree.

the first years ok cause of his current contract but his new contract will be different than his current.
Who says it's 90% bonus $$$ going his way on his next contract

The Leafs are not letting Marner walk for nothing. That'd be the dumbest move imaginable.
- Rare_Jewel

they did with Hyman ......

He will be traded if the Leafs tell him they don't want him back after his deal is over.

He didn't do anything in his prime, he won't do anything going forward either.

He had his chance, it's over.
- Rare_Jewel

Thanks for clearing that up

there's all kind of wrong with this train of thought

The Leafs need to keep their 1st round pick

now you need to replace 3 players who will most likely not outperform JT.
and there goes your cap space you are trying to gain.

you suck it up an YOU KEEP JT. it's so plain and simple, no need to complicate things.
- dmnted

Won't cost you a 1st round pick if you dump salary on a team that wants the cap hit for the floor. Chicago paid two 4th liners (Perry and Foligno) 8 million just reach the floor last season. Anaheim probably does the same this year.

Who do they have to replace? Tavares you can replace with a UFA 2nd line C who is actually paid as such. And Kampf? Janrkrok? Robertson? These guys are all replaceable for cheaper.

Marner and Pettersen in similar situations

they did with Hyman ......
- dmnted

And that turned out fantastic.

they did with Hyman ......
- dmnted

Hyman may be on the best contract in the NHL at the moment.

Marner says no to a resign or a trade the leafs don’t have the choice.

Keep that in mind this time around.
- Dozzer

wishful thinking.

did you just do a bong hit???? cause there is no bending for that poster

Marner and Pettersen in similar situations
- mr.sir

sucking in the playoffs?

They have to find 2 teams.

One where he wants to end up and another to eat 4 million after the Leafs retain 2.75.

Like I mapped out, a team like Chicago or Anaheim can take the cap hit and it would cost them nothing. They could get a player (Kampf or Jarnkrok) and a pick for their trouble.

If the Leafs can get a depth player and open up 5.5 AAV in cap space, that's enough to sign either a 2C like Stephensen or a RHD like Pesce or DeMelo.
- Rare_Jewel

It looks like you do not like 1st round pick cause that's the seatner it will take to move JT

Gretzky got traded
- drexel

Because he led the league in goals?

Marner doesn't want to leave and doesn't want a trade. Tavares' contract is running out in 1 year and Marner has 6+ years of prime hockey left in him.

The Leafs do have a choice. Get rid of the guy who isn't worth the money anymore. And if he refuses, you resign Marner and use the Tavares cap space next season instead of this season.

This idea that "Marner must be removed" is ridiculous.
- Rare_Jewel

Like you take on moving JT

FYI. They aren't going anywhere unless they want to.

Thanks for clearing that up
- Canada Cup

Obi wan Treeliving

sucking in the playoffs?
- drexel

wishful thinking.

did you just do a bong hit???? cause there is no bending for that poster
- dmnted

lol what?

You mean the leafs don’t pay any attention to this site or something?

Bong hit more of an evening thing for me

Because he led the league in goals?
- Rare_Jewel

it probably made him easier to trade

He will be traded if the Leafs tell him they don't want him back after his deal is over.

He didn't do anything in his prime, he won't do anything going forward either.

He had his chance, it's over.
- Rare_Jewel

disagree
once his contract is up, it's up.
He can re-sign with the Leafs at very low Contract

Because he led the league in goals?
- Rare_Jewel

Just assists with 109 that year actually

Like you take on moving JT

FYI. They aren't going anywhere unless they want to.
- dmnted

And Tavares will want to if the Leafs say we don't want you back next year or after that.

If you push Marner and tell him he's not welcome back, he denies a trade, walks as a UFA and you lose an elite player in his prime for nothing.

If you push Tavares and tell him he's not welcome back, he either accepts a trade or he walks as UFA and you don't care because he's over the hill anyway.

The "get rid of Marner" scenario always makes the Leafs worse than the "get rid of Tavares" scenario.

If Marner walks to spite you, the team is (frank)ed. If Tavares refuses to waive and walks as a UFA, your team gets better 1 year later.

Won't cost you a 1st round pick if you dump salary on a team that wants the cap hit for the floor. Chicago paid two 4th liners (Perry and Foligno) 8 million just reach the floor last season. Anaheim probably does the same this year.

Who do they have to replace? Tavares you can replace with a UFA 2nd line C who is actually paid as such. And Kampf? Janrkrok? Robertson? These guys are all replaceable for cheaper.
- Rare_Jewel

what other draft pick that will be sent as a sweetener?
They don't have many to begin with.
If I'm the other team eating 50% of his contract, I want a high draft pick.

Leafs deploy workload management on Kessel. He’s on the roster every night but doesn’t show up until the 2nd intermission to get dressed, then give it all he has in the 3rd. He’ll play the opening shift of overtime, but that’s it. He will participate in shoot out.
- Woderwick

I'm on board with this. Also, hotdogs in the training room.

what other draft pick that will be sent as a sweetener?
They don't have many to begin with.
If I'm the other team eating 50% of his contract, I want a high draft pick.
- dmnted

Sweeteners are for teams that care about the top end of the cap. There are plenty of teams who don't need the cap space because they're reaching for the cap floor.

If you're a team like Anaheim, you don't require that big of a sweetener when the 1 year cap hit helps you hit the floor as you tank and rebuild. A player and a mid round pick should suffice.

And Tavares will want to if the Leafs say we don't want you back next year or after that.

If you push Marner and tell him he's not welcome back, he denies a trade, walks as a UFA and you lose an elite player in his prime for nothing.

If you push Tavares and tell him he's not welcome back, he either accepts a trade or he walks as UFA and you don't care because he's over the hill anyway.

The "get rid of Marner" scenario always makes the Leafs worse than the "get rid of Tavares" scenario.

If Marner walks to spite you, the team is (frank)ed. If Tavares refuses to waive and walks as a UFA, your team gets better 1 year later.
- Rare_Jewel

correct and the Leafs keep their assets.

Losing Marner will hurt the Leafs cause he a good regular season player but disappears when the going get tough and when they count him for offence which wilts with said pressure

I'm on board with this. Also, hotdogs in the training room.
- GalacticStone

I’m ready to help

Sweeteners are for teams that care about the top end of the cap. There are plenty of teams who don't need the cap space because they're reaching for the cap floor.

If you're a team like Anaheim, you don't require that big of a sweetener when the 1 year cap hit helps you hit the floor as you tank and rebuild. A player and a mid round pick should suffice.
- Rare_Jewel

Like Anaheim going to help the Leafs out, A high draft pick (nothing less than 2nd round pick) or GTO