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PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

May 15 @ 4:13 PM ET
I saw it posted on Twitter(X)..

Marner for Saros and a defenceman, maybe a Carrier or someone
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 15 @ 4:14 PM ET
I'm on board with this. Also, hotdogs in the training room.
- GalacticStone

Yesssss.
Rare_Jewel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.31.2021

May 15 @ 4:14 PM ET
correct and the Leafs keep their assets.

Losing Marner will hurt the Leafs cause he a good regular season player but disappears when the going get tough and when they count him for offence which wilts with said pressure

- dmnted


Marner has more career playoff points than Matthews and Nylander.

This "playoff disappearance" narrative is tiresome and false.

If Marner goes for the playoff failure then so does Matthews with his 1 playoff goal.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 15 @ 4:16 PM ET
We’re in the TwiLeafs Zone.
Rare_Jewel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.31.2021

May 15 @ 4:16 PM ET
Like Anaheim going to help the Leafs out, A high draft pick (nothing less than 2nd round pick) or GTO
- dmnted


What you refuse to realize is that there are deals where both teams are helping each other out.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

May 15 @ 4:25 PM ET
Marner has more career playoff points than Matthews and Nylander.

This "playoff disappearance" narrative is tiresome and false.

If Marner goes for the playoff failure then so does Matthews with his 1 playoff goal.

- Rare_Jewel


Noting that when the series tightens up, Marner is heavily affected - it's a pretty easy comparison here because we've almost never been out of the first round. You know that in the later part of the series teams are tightening up the D. And some Leafs are really choking on it.

All Time as a Leaf in an Elimination game:

Nylander: 19GP: 8G-8A - 16Pts; 0.84 PPG
Matthews: 17GP: 5G-7A - 12Pts; 0.71 PPG
Marner: 19GP: 2G-10A - 12Pts; 0.63 PPG
Tavares: 13GP: 5G-3A - 8Pts; 0.62 PPG

As a Leaf in an Elimination game since 2020:

Nylander: 13GP: 7G-5A - 12Pts; 0.92 PPG
Matthews: 11GP: 3G-6A - 9Pts; 0.82 PPG
Tavares: 10GP: 4G-3A - 7Pts; 0.7 PPG
Marner: 13GP: 1G-7A - 8Pts; 0.62 PPG

As a Leaf in Game 5:

Tavares: 5GP: 1G-5A - 6Pts; 1.2 PPG
Nylander: 6GP: 2G-4A - 6Pts; 1 PPG
Marner: 6GP: 0G-4A - 4Pts; 0.67 PPG
Matthews: 5GP: 2G-1A - 3Pts; 0.6 PPG

As a Leaf in Game 6:

Tavares: 3GP: 3G-0A - 3Pts; 1 PPG
Nylander: 4GP: 2G-2A - 4Pts; 1 PPG
Matthews: 3GP: 2G-0A - 2Pts; 0.67 PPG
Marner: 4GP: 0G-0A - 0Pts; 0 PPG

As a Leaf in Game 7:

Matthews: 3GP: 0G-3A - 3Pts; 1 PPG
Nylander: 3GP: 2G-0A - 2Pts; 0.67 PPG
Marner: 3GP: 0G-1A - 1Pts; 0.33 PPG
Tavares: 2GP: 0G-0A - 0Pts; 0 PPG


As a Leaf in Games 1-3 Since 2020:

Matthews: 18GP: 6G-15A - 21Pts; 1.17 PPG
Marner: 18GP: 4G-16A - 20Pts; 1.11 PPG
Nylander: 15GP: 6G-5A - 11Pts; 0.73 PPG
Tavares: 16GP: 5G-2A - 7Pts; 0.44 PPG
Rare_Jewel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.31.2021

May 15 @ 4:29 PM ET
Noting that when the series tightens up, Marner is heavily affected - it's a pretty easy comparison here because we've almost never been out of the first round. You know that in the later part of the series teams are tightening up the D. And some Leafs are really choking on it.

All Time as a Leaf in an Elimination game:

Nylander: 19GP: 8G-8A - 16Pts; 0.84 PPG
Matthews: 17GP: 5G-7A - 12Pts; 0.71 PPG
Marner: 19GP: 2G-10A - 12Pts; 0.63 PPG
Tavares: 13GP: 5G-3A - 8Pts; 0.62 PPG

As a Leaf in an Elimination game since 2020:

Nylander: 13GP: 7G-5A - 12Pts; 0.92 PPG
Matthews: 11GP: 3G-6A - 9Pts; 0.82 PPG
Tavares: 10GP: 4G-3A - 7Pts; 0.7 PPG
Marner: 13GP: 1G-7A - 8Pts; 0.62 PPG

As a Leaf in Game 5:

Tavares: 5GP: 1G-5A - 6Pts; 1.2 PPG
Nylander: 6GP: 2G-4A - 6Pts; 1 PPG
Marner: 6GP: 0G-4A - 4Pts; 0.67 PPG
Matthews: 5GP: 2G-1A - 3Pts; 0.6 PPG

As a Leaf in Game 6:

Tavares: 3GP: 3G-0A - 3Pts; 1 PPG
Nylander: 4GP: 2G-2A - 4Pts; 1 PPG
Matthews: 3GP: 2G-0A - 2Pts; 0.67 PPG
Marner: 4GP: 0G-0A - 0Pts; 0 PPG

As a Leaf in Game 7:

Matthews: 3GP: 0G-3A - 3Pts; 1 PPG
Nylander: 3GP: 2G-0A - 2Pts; 0.67 PPG
Marner: 3GP: 0G-1A - 1Pts; 0.33 PPG
Tavares: 2GP: 0G-0A - 0Pts; 0 PPG


As a Leaf in Games 1-3 Since 2020:

Matthews: 18GP: 6G-15A - 21Pts; 1.17 PPG
Marner: 18GP: 4G-16A - 20Pts; 1.11 PPG
Nylander: 15GP: 6G-5A - 11Pts; 0.73 PPG
Tavares: 16GP: 5G-2A - 7Pts; 0.44 PPG

- Monkeypunk


Also have to keep in mind that Matthews and Marner are usually playing against top shutdown lines and defenders. Nylander and Tavares have usually had easier match-ups.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

May 15 @ 4:32 PM ET
$775K but yes.

I don’t think $ in the millions is all that much to leaf ownership who are all billionaires however. If they want to do it money is a non issue. It’s do they want to or not.

- Dozzer


Based on what Pelly said in the press conference yes, 100000%
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

May 15 @ 4:35 PM ET
totally disagree.

the first years ok cause of his current contract but his new contract will be different than his current.
Who says it's 90% bonus $$$ going his way on his next contract

- dmnted


Dude you aren't even worth explaining to, stop proving your name to be true.

It is simple grade school math.

It is a big number I know.

8,025,000

775,000

You see a difference?
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

May 15 @ 4:41 PM ET
Based on what Pelly said in the press conference yes, 100000%
- Santo_44


lol you guys trust what management/coaching/players say to the media way too much.

Everything said is what’s exactly what is expected to be said. Everytime. I’ll just wait and see what actually happens.
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 15 @ 4:41 PM ET
I think the 8th year is a bit overemphasized. If he can get an extra $1M-1.5M/year in free agency, he’s down anywhere from $1.5M to $5M over the contract. I know I wouldn’t work an extra year for a measly extra million and a half.
- Canada Cup

Your parents aren't Paul and Bonnie.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 15 @ 4:42 PM ET
Some movie titles about the Leafs and Leaf fans.

Reality Bites
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest
Good Will Hunting
The Longest Day
Psycho
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Almost Famous
There Will be Blood
Things We Lost in the Fire
Apocalypse Now
Gone with The Win…d
No Country for Old Men
Fatal Attraction
Raging Bull…….poop
Dangerous Liaisons
Rebel Without a Cause
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Pulp Fiction
The Missing Picture
The Fault in Our Stars
50/50
Notes on a Scandal
Eraserhead
Goodfellas
The Usual Suspects
Slumdog Millionaire
I’m Not There
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Star Wars
Live and Let Die
A Nightmare on Bay Street
Do the Right Thing
Back to the Future
An Interview With God
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

May 15 @ 4:43 PM ET
lol you guys trust what management/coaching/players say to the media way too much.

Everything said is what’s exactly what is expected to be said. Everytime. I’ll just wait and see what actually happens.

- Dozzer


Ok cool believe what you want.

I choose to believe they will use their financial power whenever they can to improve the team.

You do you.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

May 15 @ 4:48 PM ET
Ok cool believe what you want.

I choose to believe they will use their financial power whenever they can to improve the team.

You do you.

- Santo_44


It’s not their financial power. The majority of it is money owned by companies who have investors who don’t give a rat’s ass about hockey.

But you do you as well.
Azuredoom
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.14.2019

May 15 @ 4:53 PM ET
How do they have any control over that? Give him whatever $$$ he wants?!?
- Whipper


Playing in the press box
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

May 15 @ 4:54 PM ET
It’s not their financial power. The majority of it is money owned by companies who have investors who don’t give a rat’s ass about hockey.

But you do you as well.

- Dozzer

Cool nice.

I choose to believe they will use their financial power to better the team, like they have been the past long while now.

So I will do me thanks and I believe you are wrong.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

May 15 @ 4:54 PM ET
Amazing some people are in love with Varsho and his .210 BA
- mr.sir


BA is a terrible stat..never use it
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 15 @ 4:56 PM ET
"the organization’s reputation would be mud. Good luck getting another big-name free agent to ever sign with the Leafs again for anything less than an overpayment."

from an outside perspective I think that is BS. Players will go where they want. Really do not think that will hinder any top level players if they "force" him to waive.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

May 15 @ 4:57 PM ET
Cool nice.

I choose to believe they will use their financial power to better the team, like they have been the past long while now.

So I will do me thanks and I believe you are wrong.

- Santo_44


So fork out $10 mill owned by companies owned by people who don’t care about hockey (about 40% of Canadians, including children) on July 1st to Marner and trade him off for nothing?

I’d like to see it happen but I’m not really expecting it.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

May 15 @ 4:59 PM ET
Dont waste a 1st to move any contract.

None of this dubas poop.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

May 15 @ 4:59 PM ET
I saw it posted on Twitter(X)..

Marner for Saros and a defenceman, maybe a Carrier or someone

- PatC80

Meh.
Pass.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

May 15 @ 5:02 PM ET
Based on what Pelly said in the press conference yes, 100000%
- Santo_44

Ah yes the press conference.
Where management and coaches speak the truth.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

May 15 @ 5:04 PM ET
So fork out $10 mill owned by companies owned by people who don’t care about hockey (about 40% of Canadians, including children) on July 1st to Marner and trade him off for nothing?

I’d like to see it happen but I’m not really expecting it.

- Dozzer


Trade him off for nothing? What the (frank). The leafs are not not trading Marner for nothing and if that’s what you believe I’m going to stop you right there because I think that is ridiculous and we aren’t going to go anywhere here.

And huh? They just fired a coach before his contract even started(5M)

They fired Babcock with tens of millions left on his.

They traded Clarkson for Horton. Clarkson a contract that was insured for Horton a contract that was not insured BUT wouldn’t count against the cap because he would never play again.

If you believe the leafs haven’t and won't flex their financial muscle for the better of the team you haven’t been paying attention or are just saying nonsense for the sake of it.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

May 15 @ 5:05 PM ET
Some movie titles about the Leafs and Leaf fans.

Reality Bites
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest
Good Will Hunting
The Longest Day
Psycho
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Almost Famous
There Will be Blood
Things We Lost in the Fire
Apocalypse Now
Gone with The Win…d
No Country for Old Men
Fatal Attraction
Raging Bull…….poop
Dangerous Liaisons
Rebel Without a Cause
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Pulp Fiction
The Missing Picture
The Fault in Our Stars
50/50
Notes on a Scandal
Eraserhead
Goodfellas
The Usual Suspects
Slumdog Millionaire
I’m Not There
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Star Wars
Live and Let Die
A Nightmare on Bay Street
Do the Right Thing
Back to the Future
An Interview With God

- Woderwick

Das Boot.....in early may
Die hard
Pulp fiction
Nothing
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

May 15 @ 5:05 PM ET
Ah yes the press conference.
Where management and coaches speak the truth.

- Fakepartofme


Well using facts apparently doesn’t work for some on here.

So maybe words will?

Probably not it’s hockeybuzz.
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