Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine Joined: 04.03.2016
May 15 @ 7:08 PM ET
I don't see any Marner trade out there.
Someone tell me some options. Unless he goes to DAL, VGK, FLA, TBL to take pay cut because of state tax - there are VERY limited teams that will give him 11m+. I don't see him leaving Toronto to take a pay cut. What a horrible situation for Treliving to deal with - AlfieisKing
I don't know about that. Treliving has one of the best jobs in hockey. Team makes money, making the playoffs regularly, 100 point seasons regularly. Has some things to do. I'd be more worried about a poop-bag team that has no fan base and hasn't made the playoffs in 7 years
One where he wants to end up and another to eat 4 million after the Leafs retain 2.75.
Like I mapped out, a team like Chicago or Anaheim can take the cap hit and it would cost them nothing. They could get a player (Kampf or Jarnkrok) and a pick for their trouble.
If the Leafs can get a depth player and open up 5.5 AAV in cap space, that's enough to sign either a 2C like Stephensen or a RHD like Pesce or DeMelo. - Rare_Jewel
Isn't JT where he wants to be RIGHT NOW? Why would he agree to a trade to NYC or ... Buffalo (lol)
Location: All Ontario Scientist (Masters Level III) Joined: 04.11.2018
May 15 @ 7:56 PM ET
How about points and CUPS...
Don't recall Mathews leading his team to any CUPS yet... - Nasty_Duck
that’s a bit unfair eh. Hard to do - hockey is such a team game.
MacKinnon just recently did. McDavid hasn’t. Ovi just once. The Big E didn’t. Bourque did at the last moment….frankly, even Le Magnifique only did twice in all his glory.
There are a lot of fantastic players who go a career and never win a Cup.
Team game more than any other.
Leafs retain 25% on Tavares = 2.75 AAV dead cap hit.
To CHI or ANA: 50% of 8.25 (4.125 AAV), Kampf and a 2nd round pick.
*Or any other team willing to eat 4 AAV for cap floor reasons.
To Islanders: Tavares at 4.125 AAV (338K real dollars)
To Leafs: Cizikas (2.5 AAV)
If he feels like going back to where it all started the Islanders pay him next to nothing in real dollars and he provides 25 goals, 60 points. Pretty good deal for all 3 parties.
If he feels like being closer to Oakville, Buffalo is closer, still gets to play in the top-6 and the Leafs get a big body LW (Greenway @ 3 AAV). Any other depth player with a low cap hit or recovery of 2nd/3rd round picks would be acceptable.
A lot of other teams could fill in at this final landing spot if Tavares only costs 4.125 AAV against the cap. Probably a lot of contenders all over the league would be calling, making him offers to join them. If the Leafs can get back a depth player for less than 3 AAV, the deal works. Could also recover 2nd/3rd round picks from the right buyer if he wants to join a contender in the West for 1 season (Dallas, Vegas, Colorado, Edmonton). - Rare_Jewel
If you're going to essentially pay Cizikas 5.25 million to get rid of JT plus Kampf + pick why not just simply retain 50% of JT's contract outright and get a better deal and not dump Kampf for nothing? Odd dude. Real odd.
Also and why does JT waive for the Island or Buffalo?
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine Joined: 04.03.2016
May 15 @ 8:16 PM ET
How about points and CUPS...
Don't recall Mathews leading his team to any CUPS yet... - Nasty_Duck
Matthews is a player Bruins could only dream of having. Bruins have won a single cup in the past 51 years.The Bruins only won two cups when they had the best player on Earth playing for them. Prior to that the Bruins previous cup was 1941. So any Bruins fan taking snipes at Matthews can gargle my balls.
that’s a bit unfair eh. Hard to do - hockey is such a team game.
MacKinnon just recently did. McDavid hasn’t. Ovi just once. The Big E didn’t. Bourque did at the last moment….frankly, even Le Magnifique only did twice in all his glory.
There are a lot of fantastic players who go a career and never win a Cup.
Team game more than any other. - Big23Questions
I was not knocking Matthews in any way.
My point was - if the best player in the history of the game can be traded, it is not unreasonable for someone like Matthews to be traded, regardless of whether or not he is current goal leader.
Matthews is a player Bruins could only dream of having. Bruins have won a single cup in the past 51 years.The Bruins only won two cups when they had the best player on Earth playing for them. Prior to that the Bruins previous cup was 1941. So any Bruins fan taking snipes at Matthews can gargle my balls. - winsix
You read into my post something that was not there. See my reply above.
Location: Just outside the asylum, ON Joined: 08.19.2013
May 15 @ 8:54 PM ET
Not for nothing, and believe me I'm no Marner fan right now, but he might grow out of his pu$$iness at some point and start lighting it up in the playoffs.
The only saving grace to keeping him is that JT is off the books next year.
If we never signed JT, I don't think anyone would even consider trading Marner because the team would be more balanced with JT's $11M never on the books.
Besides the fact that, realistically, Marner doesn't do any worse than the other Core clowns. They are all snake bitten AF in the playoffs.
A new coach will go a long way for me. JT off the books will go a long way for the D and G.
It is kinda going to be a wait it out for next season to end me thinks.
For next season with a new coach do this:
Have an opening night ceremony with JT giving the C to Matthews.
Re-sign Domi and Bert.
Figure out the G and D with no money for another year.
Otherwise the best deal I think you would get is a PLD and top tier RHD cost controlled Clarke for Marner. It's not like the rest of the league doesn't know Marner shrinks in the playoffs.
If the Leafs could get PLD 25% retained and the Clarke kid, that deal at least makes the team better next season because you have money to add a better goalie. And paying PLD $6M ish for next 7 years or whatever is going to be a steal for a 2C to replace JT.
Then stacks o' cash in Summer 2025 for D when JT is done and Minten slots in as the 3C. - underhill14
This.....sounds like a completely reasonable take. Really not sure PLD is the specific move I'd want them to make, but I agree that 25/26 is the year things will really change.
Really comes down to whether MM expects a raise or not.
Ideally (since him resigning for less is probably a pipe dream), I'd want one solid player in a position of need, and then nothing but futures in a trade.
That's probably only likely to be gotten from a crap or up and coming team though, so you get the NMC in the way.
Damn you Kyle Dubas.
I don't really buy the whole 'can't lose the trade' narrative in a hard cap system. If said trade leaves you with a ton of cap room, you can add whatever you get with that space to the ledger as far as I'm concerned. Vegas is always able to get who they need, by using this exact way of thinking (well, that and LTIR).
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON Joined: 06.27.2013
May 15 @ 9:05 PM ET
Cowan leading the Knights to a complete rout of the Generals. So far in game 4, the Knights are up 6-1 and Cowan has 1 goal and 3 assists. 15 points in the 4 games thus far. Not too shabby, kid.
Location: All Ontario Scientist (Masters Level III) Joined: 04.11.2018
May 15 @ 9:06 PM ET
Even if he was allowed back in the league Toronto would be the absolutely wrong place for him to land anyways.
The soap opera his work would turn to would be a blessing I know but still lol - Dozzer
NHL: is a business. Regardless they will not let him back in. Bad optics no matter what facts/involvement was.
Leafs: 100%. No way the Mecca would be a good start back into the league. Too bad because he is a good coach and would be my pick - but absolutely no chance they would want that attention. It would destroy the team for sure.
