I think Minten and Cowan need to spend next year with the Marlies.

Bring them up at the end of the year if you need to, but don’t rush these guys.

They’re the only two prospects the Leafs have that’ll probably amount to anything substantial.

Berube ended the Blues not winning the Cup. Toronto hasn’t since before the Blues were in the league. Now with a hard nosed tough coach I think he will end the Leafs drought.

Edmonton is going with Skinner tonight, I’m glad I’m not the one who has to make that decision.
- shack67

Lace em up Soupy

Berube ended the Blues not winning the Cup. Toronto hasn’t since before the Blues were in the league. Now with a hard nosed tough coach I think he will end the Leafs drought.
- BluesDroogie

Here’s to hoping you’re right

After a couple years of the Matthews Marner era it was pretty clear that this team wasn’t nasty enough. I think Tre and Berube will fix that. Domi was the best thing to happen to the team in awhile. They need to keep adding players like that. Not small like Max, but you know what I mean.

Berube ended the Blues not winning the Cup. Toronto hasn’t since before the Blues were in the league. Now with a hard nosed tough coach I think he will end the Leafs drought.
- BluesDroogie

this will all depend upon whether or not shammy acquires poone jenner🙏

Your ignorance of spirit and flesh keeps you from comprehending what you just typed. You want to make a crack about children of God but you reject God the Father.

I’ve read your anti Christ statements in here before. Give it a rest.
- Strider

(frank) off with the religious bs

2016 - Present:


Marner
Gp - 577
G - 195
Primary Assists - 282
TOTAL Primary Pts -476
Giveaways - 539
Dzone Giveaways - 199
Takeaways - 577


Willy
Gp - 581
G - 215
Primary Assists - 173
TOTAL Primary Pts - 388
Giveaways - 305
Dzone Giveaways - 102
Takeaways - 428

Willy played 4 more games (from 2016 Season to last)

Marner only has 88 more primary points

Marner has 234 more giveaways

Marner has 97 more dzone giveaways

Marner has 149 more takeaways than Willy (that’s impressive)

Marner’s AAV total during that time - $61,512,501
Willy’s AAV total during that time - $50,322,109

$11,190,392 more for 88 primary points - Yikes.
- Big23Questions

An assist is an assist.
This primary assist thing is bs.

Sure we will:

This year AM34 was dealing with a serious illness and injury. He single handedly won us Game 2.

Wtf did Mitch do this season? Hell, Willie did more in his 4 games than Marner did in 7.

Cope.
- mjones242

He was dealing with an illness for 2 games.
Prior to that he had scored a whopping 2 goals in 10 playoff games.

Beauty day outside, you should have been outside inside arguing about foolishness on here.

Happy may 24. No surprise the leafs arent playing again.

He was dealing with an illness for 2 games.
Prior to that he had scored a whopping 2 goals in 10 playoff games.
- Fakepartofme

The real stat is how many points he has in games 5,6,7 of a series, when it really counts! And I believe the answer is ONE.

new blog everyone

I think Minten and Cowan need to spend next year with the Marlies.

Bring them up at the end of the year if you need to, but don’t rush these guys.

They’re the only two prospects the Leafs have that’ll probably amount to anything substantial.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I think Cowan has to go back to junior.

outside of this year hes basically a point a game player. Whcih is exactly what he was when they signed him. TDS
- drexel

I respect JT more than Marner for a few reasons. JT took millions less to come here, whereas Marner squeezed the club for every penny he could get. JT takes a beating in front of the other teams net and works his ass off, whereas Marner is afraid in playoff hockey and avoids any contact. That’s more than enough reason.

I respect JT more than Marner for a few reasons. JT took millions less to come here, whereas Marner squeezed the club for every penny he could get. JT takes a beating in front of the other teams net and works his ass off, whereas Marner is afraid in playoff hockey and avoids any contact. That’s more than enough reason.
- Bullot

Both willie and AM also squeezed the club.
I dont see you whining about them?

I think Minten and Cowan need to spend next year with the Marlies.

Bring them up at the end of the year if you need to, but don’t rush these guys.

They’re the only two prospects the Leafs have that’ll probably amount to anything substantial.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I dont believe cowen can play with marlies.
Its nhl or ohl due to age

Are you actually defending a career playoff loser?
Why do low IQ always need to be right😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
- optimus-reim

I believe he has the most points of our core three.
But go ahead and add another smiley face

Rangers vs Cats

Dallas vs Van/Edm

Pretty great final four shaping up.

Not gonna lie I had the Maple Leafs in this part of the bracket, but then Bettman rigged the Boston series.

Next year I'm feeling Maple Leafs from the depths of my sac.
- Zezel

Ya cuz you didn't feel them in your deep sac this year?? Or last?? Or the year before that and so on and so on.

Blue Jizz ZZ don't lie to us. We know you are the most positive Leafs fan in here.

And we love it!

...I mean really there are only two choices in here lately: AA vs everyone else fuking slap fighting all day or your blue jizz posts.

Blue jizz it is!

An assist is an assist.
This primary assist thing is bs.
- Fakepartofme

It is not. In pro hockey it is used by coaches, GMs, and agents (when favourable) in negotiating contracts. That’s not an opinion but a fact.

It is said almost every game when talking about assist or game recaps etc., you hear the term (so and so) had x amount of primary assist. Or for instance when talking about the 3 stars they will often point out that player x had the primary assist in the goal. It matters all day long or it wouldn’t be a thing.

I don’t typically state things like facts (at least I try not too) and I rather say in my opinion or I disagree etc., but this is fact: primary assist are regarded much higher by everyone in hockey.

I think Minten and Cowan need to spend next year with the Marlies.

Bring them up at the end of the year if you need to, but don’t rush these guys.

They’re the only two prospects the Leafs have that’ll probably amount to anything substantial.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

You are wrong again, that is 3 times in 2 days. Cowan is not eligible to play with the Marlies next year so not a possibility.

No, I described a player who started his career with promise and then couldn't come to terms on his RFA contract so he signed with a club in the KHL before returning to Dallas. He ended up having a down season and the Avs happily scooped him up.
- mjones242

You described nothing special or unique. So let's try this one last time with more detail and let's see if you can notice where the facts are.

Nichushkin was drafted 10th overall and did not start with that much promise. He had 14 goals in his first 79 games and followed that up with a season where he played 8 games in the NHL. Then 9 goals in the next 79 games. Over to Russia for 2 years where he had uninspiring numbers. Followed that up with 0 goals in 57 games. That's 23 goals in 223 games over 4 seasons in the NHL. How exactly is that "starting his career with promise"?

Goldobin who was drafted at 27th overall, was traded to a different organization, then scored at a fairly high pace in the OHL, SM-liiga, the AHL and managed 19 goals in 125 NHL games over his first 4 NHL seasons.

Sorry bud, but that's two Russian wingers who did next to nothing in their first 4/5 years after being drafted.

The difference was, Nichushkin got a chance with the high powered offense of the Avalanche and turned his career around. Goldobin turned his career around by building momentum in the KHL and finally having a breakout year on a high powered offensive team (that he led in goals and points so it's not like he was a passenger, he was the driver of that offense).

You want another example of a "bust" who left and came back? Evgeny Dadonov.

3rd round pick, spends 3 years in the AHL/NHL. Does next to nothing at both levels. Considered an undersized bust. Spends 5 seasons in the KHL, has one breakout year at 28 years old where he scores 30 goals and 66 points on a stacked team. He was playing with Kovalchuk, Gusev and Datsyuk so you could easily say "it was because of the other guys" like you're trying to say about Goldobin. But it actually wasn't.

Dadonov went back to the Panthers, scores 28 goals and 65 points. Then 28 goals and 70 points. 25 goals and 47 points. Scores 20 again in Vegas. Now plays in Dallas, as a depth player at 35, still contributing the last 2 playoff runs.

What you are refusing to acknowledge is that the Leafs can create an environment for Goldobin to have success in the NHL. Is it a guarantee? Absolutely not. But it's certainly a scenario worth exploring because there is significant potential for a match.

If it weren't for Colorado, other teams would have signed Nichuskin.

That is 100% false. When some people around here suggested the Leafs try to pick-up Nichushkin, the typical Leafs fan around here laughed at the idea because he had scored 0 goals in 57 games the year prior. He was considered a bust and unworthy of a contract.

When Colorado gave him his 2nd chance, he was given 850K. Does that seem like a player who has dozens of teams kicking down his down with offers? Absolutely not. It was a contract 1 step above a PTO two-way deal.

Goldobin was a bust who took his game to the KHL and hasn't had a sniff since. He's had precisely one good season statistically - this year - on a team that had the most potent offence in the league. Before that, he was a middling player on Spartak.

Over the first 5-6 years of Nichushkin's career, he was absolutely a bust. He left to the KHL, came back, busted again, year after year. Colorado took a chance and it paid off because they had an environment he could fit into. Goldobin could be a productive player in the NHL if given a chance in the right situation.

But yes, the Leafs should totally buy out his contract and try him out on LW on the Leafs #1 line because he's listed as LW/RW on some sites.

He absolutely is listed as a LW on multiple sites but once again, he's a left shot and making a winger switch wings is hardly the most radical change a player can make. Hell the Leafs have been so stupid as to not acquire enough RHD that they've had LHD play on the right side for years which is 10 times harder than getting a winger to switch wings.

Nichuskin and Goldobin is a massive false equivalence on pretty much every level.

Only if you ignore every single fact and bury your head in the sand.

Whataboutisms aside, do you think Marner played anywhere near his capability during the Bruins series?
- mjones242

Marner was coming off an ankle injury that limited his mobility, which is a huge part of his game. But he didn't miss games, unlike the other guys. And still killed penalties, unlike the other "star" players on the team.

Another huge part of his game, is passing. When his two biggest weapons, Matthews and Nylander, are not playing in games, Marner's game is seriously difficult to play. There were plenty of high danger chances Marner created that ended up on the stick of a slug like Edmundson that if given to what would be his regular target (Matthews) absolutely would have been goals.

On top of that, when Matthews and Nylander were in the line-up, they hardly played with Marner because the idiot coach decided he was going to put Domi and Bertuzzi with Marner instead of giving him his #1 linemate for 90% of the season.

Absolutely nobody played as good as they could have played but there are legit reasons why. McDavid has 2 playoff goals right now. You think Edmonton trades him if they lose to the Canucks? No, they probably don't. Because playmakers are just important as the goalscorers. But when the goalscorers go from scoring 69 goals down to 1 goal, you can't sit there and pretend like only one guy is to blame and needs to be traded but the others are perfectly fine.

The Leafs have cap problems because of Tavares, not because of Marner. If anybody needs to go, it's Tavares. The younger players with more time left in their prime need to be left alone by idiots in the media and the idiots in the fanbase and need to be better insulated with a more balanced team.

Stay out of it.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Keep the talk to hockey.