As a 20 year old, why? We're not talking about a generational player, right? I'm expecting growing pains.
- MJL

He may not be "generational' along the lines of McDavid, Crosby, or Bedard. But I think he is pretty close. What I see is a hockey savant. A kid that is 2 steps ahead of everyone else on the ice.

All I can say is whoever is on the ice with him better have their heads up and their sticks ready.

We are going to love him.

The thing is, the Flyers holes are elite talent. They have plenty of middle of the lineup players already. Stockpiling more middle of the lineup players really does them no good. Late 1sts and 2nd round picks rarely produce elite players. The Flyers have shown they’re not capable of identifying those rarities too.
- Schmojo

Yeah they’re in no good position. They suck at developing D men no matter why they draft them and they just don’t find elite forward talent in the draft. It’s infuriating because they’ve been this way forever and at this point I honestly think they just don’t care about it.

If it were me I’d be shopping TK for a combo of the highest pick and best prospect you can get, then package that pick with 12 and get an elite forward or D man moving forward to build around Michkov with.

We all pretty much know how this story goes however. They’ll re-sign TK to a bloated deal and then band-aid the center position with players who are either mediocre, overpaid, or both.

Yeah they’re in no good position. They suck at developing D men no matter why they draft them and they just don’t find elite forward talent in the draft. It’s infuriating because they’ve been this way forever and at this point I honestly think they just don’t care about it.

If it were me I’d be shopping TK for a combo of the highest pick and best prospect you can get, then package that pick with 12 and get an elite forward or D man moving forward to build around Michkov with.

We all pretty much know how this story goes however. They’ll re-sign TK to a bloated deal and then band-aid the center position with players who are either mediocre, overpaid, or both.
- hereticpride

It makes me almost want to cry. I barely remember the cup wins. I would like to see another before I die.


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Sadly Myrtitus is a more accurate representation of what the fans want. To get out there and start signing everybody.

It makes me almost want to cry. I barely remember the cup wins. I would like to see another before I die.


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Sadly Myrtitus is a more accurate representation of what the fans want. To get out there and start signing everybody.
- MBFlyerfan

JM said it is IMPERATIVE that they make the playoffs in 24/25 - It seems he has gotten his marching orders

It makes me almost want to cry. I barely remember the cup wins. I would like to see another before I die.


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Sadly Myrtitus is a more accurate representation of what the fans want. To get out there and start signing everybody.
- MBFlyerfan

Yup, but this isn’t the 90’s or MLB. You can’t just keep signing everyone and just pay the luxury tax. And this isn’t the NFL where there’s no guaranteed contracts.

JM said it is IMPERATIVE that they make the playoffs in 24/25 - It seems he has gotten his marching orders
- corduroy

I hate that guy

Now I have a pit in my stomach with michkov coming over. I almost trusted Danny to do the right things like trade TK and laughts. Now I’m paralyzed with fear

FTFY
- corduroy

don’t you just parrot MJL every day begging for his approval? 😂

Trade konecny and Laughton to Buffalo for #11 and krebs.

Target D1ckinson and Hage at 11 and 12. if D1ckonson magically falls great, if not dangle Florida pick to move up a couple spots.

Dangle money at Henrique for a one year deal in ufa

Farabee-frost-Tippett
Cates-Henrique-michkov
Krebs-coots-foerster
Hathaway-poehling-Atkinson

This should be a bottom 5-10 team. Flip Henrique at deadline and try michkov at center too if he wants.

Trade konecny and Laughton to Buffalo for #11 and krebs.

Target D1ckinson and Hage at 11 and 12. if D1ckonson magically falls great, if not dangle Florida pick to move up a couple spots.

Dangle money at Henrique for a one year deal in ufa

Farabee-frost-Tippett
Cates-Henrique-michkov
Krebs-coots-foerster
Hathaway-poehling-Atkinson

This should be a bottom 5-10 team. Flip Henrique at deadline and try michkov at center too if he wants.
- Just5

Atkinson shouldn’t be playing

Don’t break up cates/poehling/hathaway

Where’s Oskar Eklind?

Trade konecny and Laughton to Buffalo for #11 and krebs.

Target D1ckinson and Hage at 11 and 12. if D1ckonson magically falls great, if not dangle Florida pick to move up a couple spots.

Dangle money at Henrique for a one year deal in ufa

Farabee-frost-Tippett
Cates-Henrique-michkov
Krebs-coots-foerster
Hathaway-poehling-Atkinson

This should be a bottom 5-10 team. Flip Henrique at deadline and try michkov at center too if he wants.
- Just5

The top defenseman will likely be gone within the top 8 picks. If somehow one of them falls to NJ at 10, someone will leapfrog the Flyers to take him. A team like SJ for example could easily jump up as NJ would move back 4 spots and get a similar forward that they’d take at 10. I have no interest in Krebs, he’s a 3rd liner. So you’d basically be trading TK and Laughton for 2 players who aren’t going to be as good as them.

You have to target, Montreal, Utah, or Ottawa to move up to ensure you get one of the defensemen. If you can do that without giving up 12, then you hope somehow Catton falls to 12. If he doesn’t you either take Eiserman if he’s there or consider moving back and hopefully getting Hage wherever you move back.

The top defenseman will likely be gone within the top 8 picks. If somehow one of them falls to NJ at 10, someone will leapfrog the Flyers to take him. A team like SJ for example could easily jump up as NJ would move back 4 spots and get a similar forward that they’d take at 10. I have no interest in Krebs, he’s a 3rd liner. So you’d basically be trading TK and Laughton for 2 players who aren’t going to be as good as them.

You have to target, Montreal, Utah, or Ottawa to move up to ensure you get one of the defensemen. If you can do that without giving up 12, then you hope somehow Catton falls to 12. If he doesn’t you either take Eiserman if he’s there or consider moving back and hopefully getting Hage wherever you move back.
- Schmojo

Exactly! The way Briere can accelerate the rebuild is to be aggressive in this draft and get one of the top 3 defenseman, while seeing if he can trade a veteran or two to free up cap space and roster spots. It’s not to trade the farm for a winger like Necas, that wants to bully his way off a team and dictate where in the lineup he plays and how many minutes

Trade konecny and Laughton to Buffalo for #11 and krebs.

Target D1ckinson and Hage at 11 and 12. if D1ckonson magically falls great, if not dangle Florida pick to move up a couple spots.

Dangle money at Henrique for a one year deal in ufa

Farabee-frost-Tippett
Cates-Henrique-michkov
Krebs-coots-foerster
Hathaway-poehling-Atkinson

This should be a bottom 5-10 team. Flip Henrique at deadline and try michkov at center too if he wants.
- Just5

This makes no sense, I’m trading my two best veteran trade chips for players that haven’t played a pro game yet and are not even top players in their draft year?? I think you need to rethink this proposal.

It makes me almost want to cry. I barely remember the cup wins. I would like to see another before I die.


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Sadly Myrtitus is a more accurate representation of what the fans want. To get out there and start signing everybody.
- MBFlyerfan

I wouldn’t panic just yet. It’s not like Michkov is going to come over here and be a star right away. Bedard had a good rookie season but he didn’t exactly dominate the league. Nor did Fantilli. In fact both got hurt for extended periods of time as will happen when 18 year old boys play in the men’s league. So the Flyers have time. But I do believe in one aspect of what Jason M is saying, the Flyers need to accelerate this rebuild. They have a plethora of good to average players. They need to make hard decisions and break some glass here. They need to be aggressive in getting a high end player in this draft and the next one. I don’t at all believe they need to make the playoffs next season, in fact it will be better for them with two more picks in a deeper draft next season if they didn’t make the playoffs.

This makes no sense, I’m trading my two best veteran trade chips for players that haven’t played a pro game yet and are not even top players in their draft year?? I think you need to rethink this proposal.
- jd250

#11 this year by most accounts you’re getting a player that’s better than a #11 value in most years. I don’t think an expiring konecny gets you that on his own. Throw in Laughton to sweeten it and take back krebs who might benefit from a change of scenery or might just suck.

#11 this year by most accounts you’re getting a player that’s better than a #11 value in most years. I don’t think an expiring konecny gets you that on his own. Throw in Laughton to sweeten it and take back krebs who might benefit from a change of scenery or might just suck.
- Just5

I don’t trade assets to move up 1 spot. To get a top defenseman the Flyers need to move up into the top 6 which is why Utah would be my target. They don’t want to wait for another player to develop anyway, they want to be good now. Richardonson may not even be a top 5 defenseman in this draft. Krebs does not excite me at all, on the smallish side and does not look like a potential top 6 forward.

Exactly! The way Briere can accelerate the rebuild is to be aggressive in this draft and get one of the top 3 defenseman, while seeing if he can trade a veteran or two to free up cap space and roster spots. It’s not to trade the farm for a winger like Necas, that wants to bully his way off a team and dictate where in the lineup he plays and how many minutes
- jd250

I love having to give up prime assets to move up in the draft when finishing as low as possible should have been the priority, but hey, they were funner to watch and JORTS almost was definitely the hands down Jack Adams winner

also,i love the accelerate the rebuild talk.....how do you accelerate something that never existed in the first place

Atkinson shouldn’t be playing

Don’t break up cates/poehling/hathaway

Where’s Oskar Eklind?
- anti-lame

in the ahl where he belongs

Exactly! The way Briere can accelerate the rebuild is to be aggressive in this draft and get one of the top 3 defenseman, while seeing if he can trade a veteran or two to free up cap space and roster spots. It’s not to trade the farm for a winger like Necas, that wants to bully his way off a team and dictate where in the lineup he plays and how many minutes
- jd250

still thinking/saying they are rebuilding. never gets old.

I wouldn’t panic just yet. It’s not like Michkov is going to come over here and be a star right away. Bedard had a good rookie season but he didn’t exactly dominate the league. Nor did Fantilli. In fact both got hurt for extended periods of time as will happen when 18 year old boys play in the men’s league. So the Flyers have time. But I do believe in one aspect of what Jason M is saying, the Flyers need to accelerate this rebuild. They have a plethora of good to average players. They need to make hard decisions and break some glass here. They need to be aggressive in getting a high end player in this draft and the next one. I don’t at all believe they need to make the playoffs next season, in fact it will be better for them with two more picks in a deeper draft next season if they didn’t make the playoffs.
- jd250

how do you propose they do that? please don't mention trading fringe players.

Team do not give up top 5/7 picks. If they do they will want a haul for it so please have at it what you think the team trading the pick would want back from the flyers to consummate a trade.

you full well know with torts as coach/gm they will try very hard to make the playoffs. that is the goal 100%. only an idiot would think otherwise as we sit here today.

He may not be "generational' along the lines of McDavid, Crosby, or Bedard. But I think he is pretty close. What I see is a hockey savant. A kid that is 2 steps ahead of everyone else on the ice.

All I can say is whoever is on the ice with him better have their heads up and their sticks ready.

We are going to love him.
- MBFlyerfan

Mentally he's probably ready to do some real damage. But physically... he's still getting thrown around in the KHL a bit and he probably still needs to work on his separation speed.

And he may be a savant but we know the rest of the Flyers forwards are mostly playing checkers, not chess. Will they be able to connect on his wavelength?

Maybe he overcomes all that and hits the ground running. His transition from the MHL to KHL was pretty seamless after all.

All fantasy and speculation aside, I think we all are hopeful that GMDB actually has a plan. A plan in place if MM does come over. A plan in place if he doesn’t. There’s a lot of cap gymnastics that must be played without mortgaging the future. There’s the thoughtful process of surrounding MM with a good supporting cast (similar to how Chicago brought in Foligno, Hall and Perry for Bedard). Making sure no young player is rushed. Looking for short term contracts for veterans if they are only a place holder or a mentor. Not creating more dead salary cap space by buyouts of contracts that will be gone within the next year or two.

All fantasy and speculation aside, I think we all are hopeful that GMDB actually has a plan. A plan in place if MM does come over. A plan in place if he doesn’t. There’s a lot of cap gymnastics that must be played without mortgaging the future. There’s the thoughtful process of surrounding MM with a good supporting cast (similar to how Chicago brought in Foligno, Hall and Perry for Bedard). Making sure no young player is rushed. Looking for short term contracts for veterans if they are only a place holder or a mentor. Not creating more dead salary cap space by buyouts of contracts that will be gone within the next year or two.
- mikeyo27

this team has enough veterans.

Does it really matter? Even if he gets here Risto will board him from behind in camp putting him out for the year while cementing his place on the 2nd pair.

this team has enough veterans.
- hello it's me 2050

Need to get rid of the ones with bad long term contracts if possible. Couts, Sanheim, Risto all come to mind. Resigning TK not a priority because that too will be a long term contract that won’t age well.

Need to get rid of the ones with bad long term contracts if possible. Couts, Sanheim, Risto all come to mind. Resigning TK not a priority because that too will be a long term contract that won’t age well.
- mikeyo27

ex selke and RRR are not movable at this time imo. Sanheim easily moveable.

in the big picture they are not in bad shape at all in terms of bad long term deal.