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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 2 @ 7:14 PM ET
It's a lot of excuse making that literally EVERY team goes through it some point? Wrong! It's called reality. Things go in cycles. for everyone. It's as real as gravity. Don't like it? Find another sport.
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- bmeltzer

Yeah unfortunately the Flyers cycle has been stuck in the same position going on 14 years now.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 2 @ 7:19 PM ET
So what do we know forsure in the Michkov situation?
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jun 2 @ 7:45 PM ET
It's a lot of excuse making that literally EVERY team goes through it some point? Wrong! It's called reality. Things go in cycles. for everyone. It's as real as gravity. Don't like it? Find another sport.
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- bmeltzer


It seems like every few weeks/months, you say this.

Couple of comments.

1. Much of your data comes from pre-salary cap era. That was a completeley different environment for roster building than modern times. Other than being able to buy yourself into contention, it was also an era where scouting was much more random, esp with re: to Euro/Russian players. Tanking as a route to success was much less relevant in those days.

2. "Every team goes through it" does not mean all strategies are equal and it is all luck. Everyone dies too, but people who lead healthy lives are less likely to cop it on any given day thaan people who don't. (One can't look at individual outcomes. One has to look at fractions/probabilities).

Finally, it is time for you to man up and accept your role in all of this. Forget tank. Look at thanks. Look at the teams who have won cups. How many of them have fans who thank their blogger in droves for doing their jobs every day? Is that a coincidence? I think not.

(I will add more to this after the EDM-DAL game. I will provide simple #s to show just how non-random the modern era is with respect to chances of lifting the cup).


MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 2 @ 8:19 PM ET
McDavid holy crap.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jun 2 @ 8:19 PM ET
Hey LetterKenney. How about that guy Miro keeping McDavid in check?
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jun 2 @ 8:34 PM ET
A very depressing anecdote in that post for sure.
- Sublime55


I believe Bill championed the chuckles hire, and defended the av hire - taking two teams to the finals etc -

This is part of the problem of the team paying those who report on the team - they tend to champion the team's decisions instead of looking at them objectively
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jun 2 @ 8:36 PM ET
[quote=MBFlyerfan]

If Bob wins a cup is he hall of fame worthy? Good
Resume
- furio16




2 Vezinas, another Vezina nomination and a cup would be a pretty good resume. Even if he doesn't win the cup he would still have a pretty good case. He also only needs 4 wins for 400 career victories.

I cant believe he is 35.


Still one of the worst decisions this franchise ever made.

Another decision where the coach led the charge against a player
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jun 2 @ 8:37 PM ET
McDavid holy crap.
- MBFlyerfan


That was SICK!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 8:38 PM ET
McDavid holy crap.
- MBFlyerfan


That's ridiculously good.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 2 @ 8:43 PM ET
London down 1-0. 1 total shot in the first. Parekh laid out by an elbow. Saginaw gets a 5 minute major.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jun 2 @ 8:43 PM ET
You would have thought Dallas would have learned their lesson from game 5 about staying out of the box. 0 for 2 on the kill.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 2 @ 8:43 PM ET
London down 1-0. 1 total shot in the first. Parekh laid out by an elbow. Saginaw gets a 5 minute major.
- MBFlyerfan



2-0

Owen Beck taunting the London bench. That may wake them up.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jun 2 @ 8:47 PM ET
Hey LetterKenney. How about that guy Miro keeping McDavid in check?
- PT21

Heistanen totally robbed there! 😄
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jun 2 @ 8:54 PM ET
Would never happen but would you trade Michkov for Lafreniere?
- ClaudeFather

Rangers would never make that trade. Laf came into his own this year and was their best forward ,at age 22, in the playoffs. He also has something MM doesnt have and that's size.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jun 2 @ 8:56 PM ET
It's a lot of excuse making that literally EVERY team goes through it some point? Wrong! It's called reality. Things go in cycles. for everyone. It's as real as gravity. Don't like it? Find another sport.
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- bmeltzer

You are right. The big and mighty Rags have just one Stanley Cup since WW2. And they still sell out with considerable higher ticket 🎟 prices than the flyers.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 2 @ 9:06 PM ET
London being outshot 17-1 , 8 minutes into the 2nd period.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 2 @ 9:12 PM ET
Barkey with an awful turnover. 3-0 Saginaw.
Being outshot 20-1
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 2 @ 9:15 PM ET
3-1

London scores on their 2nd shot
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 2 @ 10:10 PM ET
3-2 Saginaw.

12 minutes left.

Still being outshot 27-9
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 2 @ 10:14 PM ET
3-3. D1ckinson ties it up!
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 2 @ 10:17 PM ET
Skinner = Bouchard…
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 2 @ 10:32 PM ET
Saginaw scores with 21 seconds left.

4-3
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 2 @ 10:38 PM ET
Hey LetterKenney. How about that guy Miro keeping McDavid in check?
- PT21


Hope you didn’t bet the house on Dallas….
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 2 @ 10:51 PM ET
Rangers would never make that trade. Laf came into his own this year and was their best forward ,at age 22, in the playoffs. He also has something MM doesnt have and that's size.
- hfc355

Nothing like pointing out the obvious when it was clearly stated…
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Jun 2 @ 11:00 PM ET

2 Vezinas, another Vezina nomination and a cup would be a pretty good resume. Even if he doesn't win the cup he would still have a pretty good case. He also only needs 4 wins for 400 career victories.

I cant believe he is 35.


Still one of the worst decisions this franchise ever made.

Another decision where the coach led the charge against a player

- corduroy


Yep, but in the longterm it was the best for Bob. There is no chance he would've had the long and successful career he's had with the Flyers. Historically speaking the goalies get blamed for everything and the defense just has to hit people to be deemed successful.

There's people on this board who, despite his multiple vezinas, still questioned him as a playoff goalie until recently and unless he wins a cup he will still be accused of being nothing special by some.

Bob has won more playoff games in the last 10 years than the Flyers have even played.
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