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AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 22 @ 2:52 PM ET
Max Guenette with only 1 game experience in the NHL played 7 games at RD for the Sens and ended up with -1. His partner was Chychrun a -30 LD the worst on the team. At 6'3" 208lbs I would certainly give him a good look before selling the farm to acquire a RD.
- granpa

Problem is, when Zub goes down our right side is AHL ready, not NHL

Depth chart (without Zub)

Sanderson - Bernard Docker
Chabot - Brannstrom
Chychrun - Hamonic
Kleven - Guenette

On most teams, don't know if they crack the line up. Such imbalance LD v RD
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

Jun 22 @ 6:37 PM ET
Problem is, when Zub goes down our right side is AHL ready, not NHL

Depth chart (without Zub)

Sanderson - Bernard Docker
Chabot - Brannstrom
Chychrun - Hamonic
Kleven - Guenette

On most teams, don't know if they crack the line up. Such imbalance LD v RD

- AlfieisKing

Agreed. You dont trade Zub. And you only trade Chychrun if you feel Kleven is ready. You keep the entire left side plus Zub and add Roy or Pesce or Walker and then your 6 spot can be filled by BSens or Hamonic or Branny or all three.

Or u can even go out and get two RD in ufa. But they are going to be the hottest ufa properties this summer.

Anyone know if Kleven can play right?
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Jun 23 @ 10:37 AM ET
Agreed. You dont trade Zub. And you only trade Chychrun if you feel Kleven is ready. You keep the entire left side plus Zub and add Roy or Pesce or Walker and then your 6 spot can be filled by BSens or Hamonic or Branny or all three.

Or u can even go out and get two RD in ufa. But they are going to be the hottest ufa properties this summer.

Anyone know if Kleven can play right?

- GrimmdaGoalie


You never want a less-than mobile stay-at-home defensemen playing their wrong hand - they can't cover the boards proper and are easily blown past. A Kleven-type player mould will never play the right side under any circumstance, whereas a Brannstrom type might. Irrespective we should have balance - all OFD left, all DFD right makes you predictable to coach against. Ottawa should have one LD DFD/RD TWD combo to balance things out. This could be Kleven/JBD, but requires moving one of Chych/Chabot/Sanderson.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 23 @ 12:56 PM ET
You never want a less-than mobile stay-at-home defensemen playing their wrong hand - they can't cover the boards proper and are easily blown past. A Kleven-type player mould will never play the right side under any circumstance, whereas a Brannstrom type might. Irrespective we should have balance - all OFD left, all DFD right makes you predictable to coach against. Ottawa should have one LD DFD/RD TWD combo to balance things out. This could be Kleven/JBD, but requires moving one of Chych/Chabot/Sanderson.
- Bartacus


People think the problem is the unbalance between LHD and RHD. I think the bigger issue is the imbalance that comes out of having 3 guys who have played #1D their entire careers.

Now, suddenly, 2 of the guys are having to accept they are no longer the stud Dman, they no longer get the big minutes and they don't log power play time.

On the other side of the problem, the back end of the roster does not have the size, grit or nastiness needed to control traffic in front of the net.

I don't think it matters if the Sens traded Chabot or Chychrun. Sanderson is the #1D. Zub is a solid partner for Sanderson.


AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 23 @ 1:37 PM ET
Top 4 picks (SJS, CHI, ANA, CBJ)

Following players should be gone: Macklin Celebrini, Ivan Demidov, Artyom Levshunov, Cayden Lindstrom.

Who are your next best 4? Here are the consensus and then we can order:

Anton Silayev
Sam Diickinson
Zeev Buium
Zayne Parekh


So what's the order with these 4 in your opinion?
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 23 @ 2:04 PM ET
Put aside salaries, imagine if Sens signed Demelo and Tanev - traded JC for Ullmark

Jake Sanderson - Dylan Demelo
Thomas Chabot - Artem Zub
Tyler Kleven - Chris Tanev

Linus Ullmark

Sorry but hobbits like Branstrom aren’t getting it done
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Jun 23 @ 2:15 PM ET
Put aside salaries, imagine if Sens signed Demelo and Tanev - traded JC for Ullmark

Jake Sanderson - Dylan Demelo
Thomas Chabot - Artem Zub
Tyler Kleven - Chris Tanev

Linus Ullmark

Sorry but hobbits like Branstrom aren’t getting it done

- AlfieisKing


dont see Demelo ever coming to OTT again, Tanev is a posibility if DAL cant/wont re-sign him, tho signing a 34 YO D would be a huge mistake, they NEED to go after Pesce or Roy or Montour (if he hits UFA)
OttawaB
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.02.2016

Jun 23 @ 2:27 PM ET
dont see Demelo ever coming to OTT again, Tanev is a posibility if DAL cant/wont re-sign him, tho signing a 34 YO D would be a huge mistake, they NEED to go after Pesce or Roy or Montour (if he hits UFA)
- Mithos


Every team will try for Pesce, Montour and Roy ........ in which case these guys will have their pick of the litter and I doubt any of them have an interest in Ottawa.
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Jun 23 @ 2:32 PM ET
Every team will try for Pesce, Montour and Roy ........ in which case these guys will have their pick of the litter and I doubt any of them have an interest in Ottawa.
- OttawaB


most of the top teams cannot take on a 6-7M player out of UFA, and i dont see any of those 3 singing on a rebuilding team.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 23 @ 4:20 PM ET
dont see Demelo ever coming to OTT again, Tanev is a posibility if DAL cant/wont re-sign him, tho signing a 34 YO D would be a huge mistake, they NEED to go after Pesce or Roy or Montour (if he hits UFA)
- Mithos

I hear you
I just think you have to swing for the fences - Staios should know the importance of D.
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

Jun 23 @ 6:33 PM ET
Top 4 picks (SJS, CHI, ANA, CBJ)

Following players should be gone: Macklin Celebrini, Ivan Demidov, Artyom Levshunov, Cayden Lindstrom.

Who are your next best 4? Here are the consensus and then we can order:

Anton Silayev
Sam Diickinson
Zeev Buium
Zayne Parekh


So what's the order with these 4 in your opinion?

- AlfieisKing

Silayev if u are okay with waiting 2 to3 yrs. Richardenson next. Happy with either

Avoid Parekh.

My hope is someone reaches for Ignila.

My other hope is the Russian goalie is there in the 2nd rd.

My final hope is some one overpays to come up 2 to 5 spots and we get some asset for it

If Nashville signs saros to a 3 to 5 year extension, should the sens offer number 7, Forsberg and Branny/Sokolov for Askarov?
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Jun 23 @ 6:46 PM ET
Silayev if u are okay with waiting 2 to3 yrs. Richardenson next. Happy with either

Avoid Parekh.

My hope is someone reaches for Ignila.

My other hope is the Russian goalie is there in the 2nd rd.

My final hope is some one overpays to come up 2 to 5 spots and we get some asset for it

If Nashville signs saros to a 3 to 5 year extension, should the sens offer number 7, Forsberg and Branny/Sokolov for Askarov?

- GrimmdaGoalie


you nuts, he aint worth a top 25 pick, way too dam risky, he could end up like SPencer Knight who was as highly touted as askarov before he busted.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 23 @ 7:09 PM ET
Silayev if u are okay with waiting 2 to3 yrs. Richardenson next. Happy with either

Avoid Parekh.

My hope is someone reaches for Ignila.

My other hope is the Russian goalie is there in the 2nd rd.

My final hope is some one overpays to come up 2 to 5 spots and we get some asset for it

If Nashville signs saros to a 3 to 5 year extension, should the sens offer number 7, Forsberg and Branny/Sokolov for Askarov?

- GrimmdaGoalie


Silayev certainly the upside potential. I think Buium is a solid pick, if right shot, would be my #1 maybe.

Askarov was highly touted G. Still is, but had a poor performance in the playoffs or NSH's farm team. I think it's too high of a risk unless trade is this:

To Nashville
2024 1st - Pick 25
2025 1st (Top 10 protected)
Joonas Korpisalo (1.5M retained by OTT)

To Ottawa
Yaraslav Askarov
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Jun 23 @ 7:13 PM ET
Silayev certainly the upside potential. I think Buium is a solid pick, if right shot, would be my #1 maybe.

Askarov was highly touted G. Still is, but had a poor performance in the playoffs or NSH's farm team. I think it's too high of a risk unless trade is this:

To Nashville
2024 1st - Pick 25
2025 1st (Top 10 protected)
Joonas Korpisalo (1.5M retained by OTT)

To Ottawa
Yaraslav Askarov

- AlfieisKing


that is a lose lose lose trade, stop believing hype, he is not worth 2 firsts, and OTT retaining defeats any purpose of trading korpi.
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

Jun 23 @ 9:32 PM ET
you nuts, he aint worth a top 25 pick, way too dam risky, he could end up like SPencer Knight who was as highly touted as askarov before he busted.
- Mithos

Nashville spent the 11th overall pick to draft him. You gotta figure they want something similar to let him go.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 23 @ 10:15 PM ET
Nashville spent the 11th overall pick to draft him. You gotta figure they want something similar to let him go.
- GrimmdaGoalie

exactly.

The idea of giving two 1sts for a potential franchise goaltender - I would like us to remember these discussions because 3 years from now he can be the goalie that TBL, NYI, and NYR have
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 23 @ 10:16 PM ET
Linus Ullmark looking for 7M, 5 years extension. Cost would be 25th pick +?

I would do 6 x 6M
OttawaB
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.02.2016

Jun 23 @ 10:23 PM ET
Garioch (I think it was him) reporting that Ottawa plans to buy out Hamonics last year. Cap hit would be $366,667 for each of the next 2 seasons. I hope they do it. Hamonic has a no movement clause so we can't even send him to Belleville. He would be subject to a roster spot on the Sens for this season. He simply is not good enough anymore. One more bad Dorion contract will bite the dust.
OttawaB
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.02.2016

Jun 23 @ 10:29 PM ET
Linus Ullmark looking for 7M, 5 years extension. Cost would be 25th pick +?

I would do 6 x 6M

- AlfieisKing


I would do $6 for 5. I think $7 is too rich.

Ottawa just needs to make a decision on its goalie route. I don't think there is any goalie that everyone will agree on. Of note, if Ottawa were to trade for Ullmark, then they could not extend him until July 1. I would never make that trade unless there was an extension in the back pocket for July 1.
I figure we will have to trade Chychrun and the #25 pick if the trade comes to fruition.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 24 @ 12:11 AM ET
I would do $6 for 5. I think $7 is too rich.

Ottawa just needs to make a decision on its goalie route. I don't think there is any goalie that everyone will agree on. Of note, if Ottawa were to trade for Ullmark, then they could not extend him until July 1. I would never make that trade unless there was an extension in the back pocket for July 1.
I figure we will have to trade Chychrun and the #25 pick if the trade comes to fruition.

- OttawaB

I am 100% on board but trading Chychrun AND a 1st round pick is too high. The trade would have to include Korpisalo going somewhere for sure. We are not keeping him AND getting another 5M+ goalie
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Jun 24 @ 1:20 AM ET
Put aside salaries, imagine if Sens signed Demelo and Tanev - traded JC for Ullmark

Jake Sanderson - Dylan Demelo
Thomas Chabot - Artem Zub
Tyler Kleven - Chris Tanev

Linus Ullmark

Sorry but hobbits like Branstrom aren’t getting it done

- AlfieisKing


Jeez so many size queens in this blog. Brannstrom is 5'10 - there is an above grade chance he's taller than you. He's actually a pretty effective defenseman - certainly good enough to warrant being kind and not pejorative.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 24 @ 2:44 AM ET
Jeez so many size queens in this blog. Brannstrom is 5'10 - there is an above grade chance he's taller than you. He's actually a pretty effective defenseman - certainly good enough to warrant being kind and not pejorative.
- Bartacus


I played a fun game of hockey one time. There was a guy named Chris on D. He literally looked and played like Chris Pronger. I think I scored 1 or 2 but playing against him was soo hard. His reach alone was unbelievable. Dude, size on D matters and it matters A LOT. Ottawa's best D-man in history is Erik Karlsson but you can make the case it was Zdeno Chara. Unless your skating, stick handling, and hockey sense are elite, size is what wins trophies. Size + toughness
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 24 @ 5:37 AM ET
I would do $6 for 5. I think $7 is too rich.

Ottawa just needs to make a decision on its goalie route. I don't think there is any goalie that everyone will agree on. Of note, if Ottawa were to trade for Ullmark, then they could not extend him until July 1. I would never make that trade unless there was an extension in the back pocket for July 1.
I figure we will have to trade Chychrun and the #25 pick if the trade comes to fruition.

- OttawaB


Nothing prevents Boston from doing a sign and trade deal with Ullmark.

I think Chychrun + #25 is too steep an ask if that is what the bruins are calling for..
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 24 @ 6:32 AM ET
Sens numbers are okay looking at a possible Ullmark deal.

In theory Staios should be easily able to make the necessary adjustment and add another salary in the range of $7m. if we aassume Chychrun and Forsberg salaries are being swapped out. Specific assumptions is that Ullmark signs for $7m, Pinto for $6m, Branstrum for $2.5m and the remainder of the roster is filled in with players that average around $1m each on the cap hit.

However if Staios' goal is to also add $7m for a top 4 Dman + a similar hit for a top 6 forward, he is going to need to move out $000 for $000 on salary in order to do it.

So, any significant secondary deal beyond would require the Sens to swap out or buy out an equivalent salary value (Norris, Joseph, Braanstrom, Korpisalo et., al). Doing one more (either Dman or Forward) would be very good. Doing both would be exceptional cap management.
Crosside
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.14.2019

Jun 24 @ 7:42 AM ET
Sens numbers are okay looking at a possible Ullmark deal.

In theory Staios should be easily able to make the necessary adjustment and add another salary in the range of $7m. if we aassume Chychrun and Forsberg salaries are being swapped out. Specific assumptions is that Ullmark signs for $7m, Pinto for $6m, Branstrum for $2.5m and the remainder of the roster is filled in with players that average around $1m each on the cap hit.

However if Staios' goal is to also add $7m for a top 4 Dman + a similar hit for a top 6 forward, he is going to need to move out $000 for $000 on salary in order to do it.

So, any significant secondary deal beyond would require the Sens to swap out or buy out an equivalent salary value (Norris, Joseph, Braanstrom, Korpisalo et., al). Doing one more (either Dman or Forward) would be very good. Doing both would be exceptional cap management.

- spatso


This year Ullmark make 5m
I think we gonna bridge Pinto for 3 m
Brännström trade or not qualified
Hamonic bought out
Joseph trade
Korpisalo maybe trade to Philly with the 7 pick for 12 +. Or at least next summer
Kastelic and JBD trade
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