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spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 24 @ 7:49 AM ET
Wine Spectator judged Chateau Lynch Bages Paulliac @ $137 a bottle as the best wine of 2020.

NY Times (The Athletic) judges the Senators as the winner in the redraft of 2020. In their redrafting of the first round, they moved Timmy from #3 up to #1, they moved Sanderson from #5 up to #2. And they moved Grieg from #28 up to #24.

So nobody should fool themselves out of believing anything other than 2027 has already been predestined as the Sens probable peak performance year (the best shot at winning the Cup).

So when looking at the rumours of a possible trade of Chychrun to the Flyers, I studied their roster wondering what realistically works for the Sens and the name that keeps rising to the top for me is Tyson Foerster.

He is a big kid. He was drafted ahead of Grieg at 24 in our magic draft of 2020. He led Lehigh Valley in scoring last year. This year he played 77 games for the Flyers with 20 goals and 13 assists for 33 points.

The one thing Staios and his team know really well is the OHL where Foerster starred with the Barrie Colts.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 24 @ 8:38 AM ET
From the 2020 draft, there are only 4 skaters who scored more goals than Foerster this past season: Jarvis (33), Raymond (31), Lafreniere (28) and Rossi (21).

Foerster tied for 5th with Byfield at 20 goals scored. He looks a little like Brady in regard to his shot and down low where it really matters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8r9yP5WNvI
granpa
Joined: 07.03.2015

Jun 24 @ 10:37 AM ET
Wine Spectator judged Chateau Lynch Bages Paulliac @ $137 a bottle as the best wine of 2020.

NY Times (The Athletic) judges the Senators as the winner in the redraft of 2020. In their redrafting of the first round, they moved Timmy from #3 up to #1, they moved Sanderson from #5 up to #2. And they moved Grieg from #28 up to #24.

So nobody should fool themselves out of believing anything other than 2027 has already been predestined as the Sens probable peak performance year (the best shot at winning the Cup).

So when looking at the rumours of a possible trade of Chychrun to the Flyers, I studied their roster wondering what realistically works for the Sens and the name that keeps rising to the top for me is Tyson Foerster.

He is a big kid. He was drafted ahead of Grieg at 24 in our magic draft of 2020. He led Lehigh Valley in scoring last year. This year he played 77 games for the Flyers with 20 goals and 13 assists for 33 points.

The one thing Staios and his team know really well is the OHL where Foerster starred with the Barrie Colts.

- spatso

Lafreniere and Byfield are still #1 and #2 especially after watching Lafreniere in the 2024 playoffs. Stutzle is a great entertainer but showmen don't win championships.
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

Jun 24 @ 11:28 AM ET
I am 100% on board but trading Chychrun AND a 1st round pick is too high. The trade would have to include Korpisalo going somewhere for sure. We are not keeping him AND getting another 5M+ goalie
- AlfieisKing


I think it would be Chychrun alone or Forsberg and 25. Chychrun as more or equal value to Ullmark right now. Goalie market has cratered since the Marsktrom/Keumper trades.

I don't think you have to sign Ullmark right away if you get him. He can play the year and see where they are at come Feb. If they are in a playoff spot, sign him. If not, trade him. You'd probably get a first and a player for him at TDL. Same value as Chychrun.

Only sign Ullmark if you can get rid of Korpo. And I agree...6 x 6.

I still don't understand the fascination with the goalie position. RHD is the priority. All cap space, $$$ and trade assets should be used on that. But if they can get Ullmark cheap, I don't mind spending $9million on the position JUST for next year.

Adin Hill's name popped up. I would accept a swap of Forsberg plus a mid draft pick for him.
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

Jun 24 @ 11:36 AM ET
Per Mendes at the Athletic....

Available RHD UFAS and their projected contracts:

Brandon Montour
30
$6.5 M AAV (3 years)
Matt Roy
29
$6.1 M AAV (5 years)
Brett Pesce
29
$5.5 M AAV (6 years)
Sean Walker
29
$4.9 M AAV (5 years)
Dylan DeMelo
31
$4.9 M AAV (4 years)
Chris Tanev
34
$4.8 M AAV (4 years)
Alexandre Carrier
27
$4.4 M AAV (4 years)
Matt Dumba
29
$3,8 M AAV (3 years)
Justin Schultz
33
$3.1 M AAV (3 years)
Colin MIller
31
$3 M AAV (3 years)
Tyler Myers
34
$2.4 M AAV (1 year)
Tyson Barrie
32
$1.8 M AAV (1 year)
Tony DeAngelo
28
$1.8 M AAV (1 year)
Jani Hakanpaa
32
$1.5 M AAV (1 year)
Ilya Lyubushkin
30
$1.5 M AAV (1 year)
Erik Johnson
36
$1.1 M AAV (1 year)

Got to figure the first three go to contenders/low tax state. Of the remaining, who would you want at what price?
Octavarium
New York Islanders
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 24 @ 2:38 PM ET
So.

Just to be clear.
Chabbot and Chychrun both failed playing on their off wings.

Fine.

Sanderson and Zub
Chabbot and JBD
Chychrun and some other RD who's more defensive than offensive.

Why can't we keep them all and have a top 4 D man on every pair? Is it the money? Why when we were so excited to get Chyrchrun and now we're running him out of town for his defensive liabilities while we still like and need his offense?
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

Jun 24 @ 3:25 PM ET
So.

Just to be clear.
Chabbot and Chychrun both failed playing on their off wings.

Fine.

Sanderson and Zub
Chabbot and JBD
Chychrun and some other RD who's more defensive than offensive.

Why can't we keep them all and have a top 4 D man on every pair? Is it the money? Why when we were so excited to get Chyrchrun and now we're running him out of town for his defensive liabilities while we still like and need his offense?

- Octavarium


Exactly. The spend all your draft and trade capital on that precious RHD. As a UFA.

Of course, there is the argument to be made that Chabot and Chychrun have no value as a bottom pair D pair.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jun 24 @ 4:18 PM ET
Lafreniere and Byfield are still #1 and #2 especially after watching Lafreniere in the 2024 playoffs. Stutzle is a great entertainer but showmen don't win championships.
- granpa


Individual players don't win championships in this league. Otherwise McDavid would not still be looking for his first as he's been the best player for years now. BTW, how many championships do Lafreniere and Byfield have compared to Stuetzle?
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Jun 24 @ 5:00 PM ET
So.

Just to be clear.
Chabbot and Chychrun both failed playing on their off wings.

Fine.

Sanderson and Zub
Chabbot and JBD
Chychrun and some other RD who's more defensive than offensive.

Why can't we keep them all and have a top 4 D man on every pair? Is it the money? Why when we were so excited to get Chyrchrun and now we're running him out of town for his defensive liabilities while we still like and need his offense?

- Octavarium

People were excited about Chychrun because they were sold a bill of goods that he could play the RHD side, and that's quite frankly not true. And when heading into a contract year, you really can't tell a player that they'll be paired with the 3rd-best RHD on the team, and fighting all year for top-PP ice time. Plus, they'll be wanting to make room on the roster to develop future potential top-4D like Kleven, and they need to invest in other roster areas... especially if Norris is going to be such an unreliable part of the equation.
OttawaB
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.02.2016

Jun 24 @ 7:04 PM ET
Note ..... if Sens were to buy out Norris.
To be bought out the player can't be injured (on IR or LTIR). I'm not sure if Norris could be bought even if the Sens wanted to.


News from Boston that "apparently" Ullmark has waived his no trade clause to Ottawa. But he said no deal had been made and no contract extension had been done.


So how does Ottawa manage all of my shopping list ?

1) Ullmark to Ottawa. Chychrun to Boston ....... OR #25 pick and a prospect like Jarventie to Boston.

2) Philly trade ..... Ottawa sends Korpisalo to Philly for Atkinson and Johansen (Philly gets much needed cap space and a veteran back up goalie). Ottawa keeps Atkinson and either buys out Johansen or puts him on LTIR.

So Ottawa effectively dumps the Korpisalo contract and brings in Ullmark.

3) Further Philly trade .... Ottawa trades Chychrun (depending on Boston trade .... although I think Boston wants the picks and not Chychrun so they can go after Lindholm and or Guentzel at centre to solidify their middle) ... but Ottawa may keep and re-sign Chychrun and trade Chabot depending on who Phill wants. Also Norris, Joseph, Brannstrom, JBD are on the table. In return Ottawa gets Konecny (if Chabot or Chychrun are in the deal), Farabee or Frost (Torts hates him), Oliver Bonk (right d-man). Ottawa and Philly swap first round picks.

4) And if you really want to confuse things more, Philly and Boston and add a few more parts to each other, and Ottawa picks up the signing rights for DeBrusk .

5) In the end Ottawa drafts Yakemchuk or Sennecke at #12. In the 2nd round we grab Ilya Nabokov, the goalie from Russia.

Done. A tidy bit of work.
Crosside
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.14.2019

Jun 24 @ 7:23 PM ET
Note ..... if Sens were to buy out Norris.
To be bought out the player can't be injured (on IR or LTIR). I'm not sure if Norris could be bought even if the Sens wanted to.


News from Boston that "apparently" Ullmark has waived his no trade clause to Ottawa. But he said no deal had been made and no contract extension had been done.


So how does Ottawa manage all of my shopping list ?

1) Ullmark to Ottawa. Chychrun to Boston ....... OR #25 pick and a prospect like Jarventie to Boston.

2) Philly trade ..... Ottawa sends Korpisalo to Philly for Atkinson and Johansen (Philly gets much needed cap space and a veteran back up goalie). Ottawa keeps Atkinson and either buys out Johansen or puts him on LTIR.

So Ottawa effectively dumps the Korpisalo contract and brings in Ullmark.

3) Further Philly trade .... Ottawa trades Chychrun (depending on Boston trade .... although I think Boston wants the picks and not Chychrun so they can go after Lindholm and or Guentzel at centre to solidify their middle) ... but Ottawa may keep and re-sign Chychrun and trade Chabot depending on who Phill wants. Also Norris, Joseph, Brannstrom, JBD are on the table. In return Ottawa gets Konecny (if Chabot or Chychrun are in the deal), Farabee or Frost (Torts hates him), Oliver Bonk (right d-man). Ottawa and Philly swap first round picks.

4) And if you really want to confuse things more, Philly and Boston and add a few more parts to each other, and Ottawa picks up the signing rights for DeBrusk .

5) In the end Ottawa drafts Yakemchuk or Sennecke at #12. In the 2nd round we grab Ilya Nabokov, the goalie from Russia.

Done. A tidy bit of work.

- OttawaB

Steve Conroy just tweeted to trade going down
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 24 @ 7:51 PM ET
Steve Conroy just tweeted to trade going down
- Crosside


Yes. Twitter with all kinds of comments from multiple sources saying the deal is done. Apparently the word out of Boston is that the return is underwhelming and will be very disappointing from the Bruins end of the deal.

Details on the deal will probably not be formally announced until tomorrow as nobody wants to take away anything from game 7.

My guess is the leak of information on the deal is probably coming from the players involved or their agents.


david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Jun 24 @ 7:59 PM ET
Yes. Twitter with all kinds of comments from multiple sources saying the deal is done. Apparently the word out of Boston is that the return is underwhelming and will be very disappointing from the Bruins end of the deal.

Details on the deal will probably not be formally announced until tomorrow as nobody wants to take away anything from game 7.

My guess is the leak of information on the deal is probably coming from the players involved or their agents.

- spatso


"The Bruins have acquired forward Mark Kastelic, goaltender Joonas Korpisalo, and a 2024 first-round draft pick (25th overall) from the Ottawa Senators in exchange for goaltender Linus Ullmark"

Lack of an extension for Ullmark must have played a role.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 24 @ 8:00 PM ET
Ullmark for the #25 pick, Korpisalo (25% retained by Ottawa) and Kestelic. Staios did good.
CooCooKaChoo
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.15.2008

Jun 24 @ 8:04 PM ET
Ullmark for the #25 pick, Korpisalo (25% retained by Ottawa) and Kestelic. Staios did good.
- spatso


It’s not the trade I wanted, but it’s a trade. Now they gotta use Chychryn to get that RD.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 24 @ 8:15 PM ET
CapF is so good. They have Ullmark on the Ottawa roster and all the financial details.
OttawaB
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.02.2016

Jun 24 @ 8:21 PM ET
Ullmark for the #25 pick, Korpisalo (25% retained by Ottawa) and Kestelic. Staios did good.
- spatso


Yup. I don't mind this trade at all. Now we just need to re-sign Ullmark to an extension of some sort. But that is for another day.
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Jun 24 @ 8:28 PM ET
"The Bruins have acquired forward Mark Kastelic, goaltender Joonas Korpisalo, and a 2024 first-round draft pick (25th overall) from the Ottawa Senators in exchange for goaltender Linus Ullmark"

Lack of an extension for Ullmark must have played a role.

- david22


ulmark could not sign an extension untill july 1st, since he waive for OTT means he is willing to sing in OTT
Mahewman
Season Ticket Holder
Boston Bruins
Location: NH
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jun 24 @ 8:32 PM ET
Honest thoughts on Kastelic?
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jun 24 @ 8:33 PM ET
ulmark could not sign an extension untill july 1st, since he waive for OTT means he is willing to sing in OTT
- Mithos


Ullmark can only block 15 teams. Might still have no interest in extending in Ottawa.
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Jun 24 @ 8:39 PM ET
Ullmark can only block 15 teams. Might still have no interest in extending in Ottawa.
- jfkst1


OTT was on his list, every july 1st a player with a M-NTC must tell his team what teams are on it and OTT was on it from last july 1st, he waived it to come to OTT
OttawaB
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.02.2016

Jun 24 @ 8:46 PM ET
Honest thoughts on Kastelic?
- Mahewman


I think Kastelik has potential as a bottom 6 forward. Actually, excellent at faceoffs. He is a tall/big man but has not yet learned to play a nastier game yet. He is soft IMO. He needs to learn to play with more of an edge. Skates reasonably well (not quick) for a big guy. Will never get many points but could learn to develop a good defensive game if he had a system with more/better structure.
Probably his best skill is faceoffs. But he can fight as well if needed (but I don't think he wants to fight).
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 24 @ 9:08 PM ET
that is a lose lose lose trade, stop believing hype, he is not worth 2 firsts, and OTT retaining defeats any purpose of trading korpi.
- Mithos

I said Ottawa would have to retain salary (except was with Askarov)

Yes, Ullmark !! Even if he wants $6.5M, I'd do it. We need stable goaltending !!
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 24 @ 9:10 PM ET
Honest thoughts on Kastelic?
- Mahewman

Gritty center, good on draw, needs to show he can play over a full 82 game season. He fits boston well. Great skater and teammate (will drop gloves for his guys)
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 24 @ 9:11 PM ET
Ullmark for the #25 pick, Korpisalo (25% retained by Ottawa) and Kestelic. Staios did good.
- spatso

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