report OTT and phily have a frame work of a trade done, seems will only happen as draft gets close which means 7th OA might be involved, seems like staios is about to destroy the sens future...no confidence in staios, 99% chance he is dorion 2.0

report OTT and phily have a frame work of a trade done, seems will only happen as draft gets close which means 7th OA might be involved, seems like staios is about to destroy the sens future...no confidence in staios, 99% chance he is dorion 2.0
- Mithos

Is this the report of a 3 way suggesting Ottawa ends up with Ullmark, Debrusk and Kokecny plus the #12 pick? In return the Sens would be giving up Chychrun, Forsberg, and Joseph plus the #7 and #25.

that seems like a crazy deal where Ottawa gets way too much back


I'm just happy no PLD, no Markstrom.

Not too sure about Staois yet. The hair cut and glasses suggests he thinks he's Steve Yzerman. So far he's been about as tight lipped as Yzerman. We really only know anything once Garioch reports it from the buffet.

that seems like a crazy deal where Ottawa gets way too much back


I'm just happy no PLD, no Markstrom.

Not too sure about Staois yet. The hair cut and glasses suggests he thinks he's Steve Yzerman. So far he's been about as tight lipped as Yzerman. We really only know anything once Garioch reports it from the buffet.
- Octavarium

“We’ve spent a lot of time on it and we’re still working hard on it," senior vice president Dave Poulin told Garrioch. "Our goaltending will be better next season.”

Poulin is highly respected all around. He does not say much. You know they have something coming if he is quoted saying "goaltending will be better."

I heard the boys on the Team this morning.

The giant concrete barrier in front of all these rumors is two goalies already under contract who played like crap last year. So...you're asking a new owner to eat those somehow (buyout or the Cal Petersen treatment) and then get new ones. It's not quite as silly as the Marner rumors but it's not far off. We are not dealing from a position of strength. We have bodies in those positions already that will be difficult to move.

Maybe you ship Korpisalo and Boston's 1st round pick to Utah for some kind of crap they don't want. Kerfoot? Damn Utah has no bad long term deals on the books. That team is poised to take off.

report OTT and phily have a frame work of a trade done, seems will only happen as draft gets close which means 7th OA might be involved, seems like staios is about to destroy the sens future...no confidence in staios, 99% chance he is dorion 2.0
- Mithos

Not sure how you see Staios as being like Dorion, given Dorion's tendency to throw away draft picks like candy, misjudge player talent, and persist in running it back each year with an ineffective coach. Meanwhile, Staios has done nothing but step into a hard situation, replace pretty much everyone possible in the coaching ranks and front office in less than a year, and show near-excessive patience with his roster decisions. However, they're at the point where significant roster moves are necessary that will cost both $$$ and assets. The Senators' future isn't dependent on the 7th overall pick in this draft, and their only goal at this point should be making sure they don't waste another season of their young team's development.

Oh I'd wager there's some uncertainty here with Staios too.

Every time Tarasenko scores in the finals Ottawa is paying for it. Heck we should get imitation cup ring after Florida wins. And YES, I would have kept him. Unless there was a behind the scenes request we don't know about from the player to move him so he could go for another cup. If it was a "move me if you wanna"....then I would have kept him.

Next. We have a wildly underwhelming signing of two coaches who've been failures in other locations. There's no sugar coating those hires. Again, the caveat being Steve-O spoke to all other "good" coaches and they all declined. Ok. Fine. We get what we get.

Now we are about to "re-tool" and take another step forward. Lots of pressure.

Oh I'd wager there's some uncertainty here with Staios too.

Every time Tarasenko scores in the finals Ottawa is paying for it. Heck we should get imitation cup ring after Florida wins. And YES, I would have kept him. Unless there was a behind the scenes request we don't know about from the player to move him so he could go for another cup. If it was a "move me if you wanna"....then I would have kept him.

Next. We have a wildly underwhelming signing of two coaches who've been failures in other locations. There's no sugar coating those hires. Again, the caveat being Steve-O spoke to all other "good" coaches and they all declined. Ok. Fine. We get what we get.

Now we are about to "re-tool" and take another step forward. Lots of pressure.
- Octavarium

I'm certainly not suggesting that Staios isn't under the microscope - but there are clear differences in his approach vs. Dorion. Whether that yields better outcomes or not remains to be seen, of course. But I have to dispute some of the points you raised, such as the Tarasenko trade. It's all fine to say you would have kept him, but all that would really accomplish is deny them a pair of mid-round draft picks and make Tarasenko regret his decision to sign. Think that doesn't get out to other UFA considering signing a team-friendly 1-year contract? Guess again. As for the coaching point, all coaches have failed elsewhere - so it's hardly the only benchmark to use. I'm not thrilled with Green, but at the same time I can't say he's a bad coach - and a lot of what he seems to bring to the table is very much what the team needs, especially in terms of accountability.

The real proof will be in the roster moves he makes over the next few months. His criticisms of the team's play have been on point, they resisted the impulse to make a major roster change for the wrong reasons last season, and it's clear that he and Poulin have a pretty good idea of the direction they want to take things in. They also have the benefit of having a legit billionaire at their backs, and not dealing from under the cloud of Melnyk's influence. How well they can execute that plan within the current team structure remains to be seen - but they at least deserve the benefit of the doubt until there's reason for concern.

report OTT and phily have a frame work of a trade done, seems will only happen as draft gets close which means 7th OA might be involved, seems like staios is about to destroy the sens future...no confidence in staios, 99% chance he is dorion 2.0
- Mithos

I wouldn't jump this gun just yet. The fact new ownership is so patient with Staios speaks to the trust Andlauer has. Let's let Staios actually make some moves first. The Tarasenko move totally sucked but he didn't have much of a choice - blame Dorion for a myopic NMC.

Basically Staios hasn't done anything at all vis a vis the roster to date - it's all been front office, and that's been meh IMO, but the front office don't play hockey. Let's see him actually make a roster move before we judge his acumen.

I honestly think Poulin is whispering in his buddy Button's ear, because Button keeps downgrading Levshunov to the Sen pick. His last ranking has Lev at #8. I like it, even if it doesn't work lol.

I wouldn't jump this gun just yet. The fact new ownership is so patient with Staios speaks to the trust Andlauer has. Let's let Staios actually make some moves first. The Tarasenko move totally sucked but he didn't have much of a choice - blame Dorion for a myopic NMC.

Basically Staios hasn't done anything at all vis a vis the roster to date - it's all been front office, and that's been meh IMO, but the front office don't play hockey. Let's see him actually make a roster move before we judge his acumen.
- Bartacus

always prepare for the worst, so when it happens, your prepared, the fact 7th OA would be involved in any phi trade should be cause for extreme alarm as phily has no one worth 7th OA and to drop down to 12th for scraps like laughton (most rumoured to be gong to OTT in any phi to OTT trade) would seriously hurt OTT

I honestly think Poulin is whispering in his buddy Button's ear, because Button keeps downgrading Levshunov to the Sen pick. His last ranking has Lev at #8. I like it, even if it doesn't work lol.
- Bartacus

That's crazy - Levshunov, Lindstrom, Demidov are all gone by #7. It's Buium I'm really looking at

Here was something I heard floated around. The Philly and Ottawa trade is really a "my junk for your junk" trade.

Ottawa sends Korpisalo (who used to play for Torts in Columbus) and a minor piece .... Brannstrom (who could help run the Flyer PP). Philly could use a veteran goalie to help with the playing load.

Ottawa gets Cam Atkinson ($5.875 million) and Ryan Johansen ($4 million). Neither player have got along with Torts and both have been rumored as buyouts by Philly. Both have only 1 year left on their contracts. Ottawa then decides which of the 2 they will keep and will buy out the other guy.

Maybe Ottawa throws in another piece or 2 .... Joseph or Norris and Sokolov .... and get back Oliver Bonk ... a right dman (maybe a year or 2 away still). But that would be an extra bit.

I really doubt that Philly will Konecny.

I think Ottawa uses Chychrun and the 25th pick for a last shot at Ullmark.

Here was something I heard floated around. The Philly and Ottawa trade is really a "my junk for your junk" trade.

Ottawa sends Korpisalo (who used to play for Torts in Columbus) and a minor piece .... Brannstrom (who could help run the Flyer PP). Philly could use a veteran goalie to help with the playing load.

Ottawa gets Cam Atkinson ($5.875 million) and Ryan Johansen ($4 million). Neither player have got along with Torts and both have been rumored as buyouts by Philly. Both have only 1 year left on their contracts. Ottawa then decides which of the 2 they will keep and will buy out the other guy.

Maybe Ottawa throws in another piece or 2 .... Joseph or Norris and Sokolov .... and get back Oliver Bonk ... a right dman (maybe a year or 2 away still). But that would be an extra bit.

I really doubt that Philly will Konecny.

I think Ottawa uses Chychrun and the 25th pick for a last shot at Ullmark.
- OttawaB

This makes sense to me. But, Chychrun plus #25 seems to be a steep price for a goalie that needs to be moved. Sending Forsberg back the other way does balance the numbers a little.

I believe Boston is the lead team is the chase to sign Lindholm and they need to move out salary and reduce their cap hit off the current roster. Lindholm will be a $9.0m. cap hit. I do not think the Bruins will sign Debrusk (likely $6m+ ask).

...I think Boston secretly covets Guentzel more. And yes he can and has played center and wing.

After so much flap about Markstrom it's interesting to see the relative lack of concern over a potential Ullmark trade that by most accounts would cost the Senators both Chychrun and the 25th overall pick. This is a 30yo goaltender who's only played more than 41GP once in his career, and it was behind a BOS team that set a new NHL record in regular season wins (i.e. hardly a normal season). And despite winning the Vezina, he was only able to put up a 3.33GAA and 0.896 sv% in the playoffs that year, and was outplayed the following season by Swayman. Plus he has a M-NTC with Ottawa on his no-trade list, and was rumoured to have already nixed a trade at least year's deadline.

Just seems like it's maybe not the ideal fit, especially if they're trying to move away from a culture of adding players without considering or prioritizing their intentions of staying with the team long-term (e.g. DeBrincat, Talbot, Chychrun, Tarasenko, etc.).

After so much flap about Markstrom it's interesting to see the relative lack of concern over a potential Ullmark trade that by most accounts would cost the Senators both Chychrun and the 25th overall pick. This is a 30yo goaltender who's only played more than 41GP once in his career, and it was behind a BOS team that set a new NHL record in regular season wins (i.e. hardly a normal season). And despite winning the Vezina, he was only able to put up a 3.33GAA and 0.896 sv% in the playoffs that year, and was outplayed the following season by Swayman. Plus he has a M-NTC with Ottawa on his no-trade list, and was rumoured to have already nixed a trade at least year's deadline.

Just seems like it's maybe not the ideal fit, especially if they're trying to move away from a culture of adding players without considering or prioritizing their intentions of staying with the team long-term (e.g. DeBrincat, Talbot, Chychrun, Tarasenko, etc.).
- khawk

i heard he is willing to waive for OTT but OTT is not going to give up both chych and the 25th together.

Gs are the products of the teams in front of them, that is why they do not have much value and are a crapshoot even vezina winnings ones. OTT should not spend more than the 25th for him with Forsberg going with it, chych alone has more value than ulmark

We can't clap with 1 hand.

Goaltending will HAVE to come with amazing Defense

i heard he is willing to waive for OTT but OTT is not going to give up both chych and the 25th together.

Gs are the products of the teams in front of them, that is why they do not have much value and are a crapshoot even vezina winnings ones. OTT should not spend more than the 25th for him with Forsberg going with it, chych alone has more value than ulmark
- Mithos

I have the same opinion.

However, we should be open to the idea of an even larger deal (perhaps a 3 way).

Bruins want more cap relief. All kinds of reports they want to try and sign a 1st line forward (preferably a centre).

Can they afford to send Ulmark ($5m) to the Sens and take back Cychrun ($4.6m) and Forsberg ($2.5m)?

#25 and Forsberg makes sense.

The deal would make even more sense if the Sens also have a destination for Korpisalo.

We can't clap with 1 hand.

Goaltending will HAVE to come with amazing Defense
- AlfieisKing

I don't think amazing defence is that far away. There were some games towards the end of this past season where Sanderson played like an all star at both ends of the ice. I believe the addition of a top 4 defensive/physical Dman will result in immediate and substantial improvement by the Sens in their own end.

After so much flap about Markstrom it's interesting to see the relative lack of concern over a potential Ullmark trade that by most accounts would cost the Senators both Chychrun and the 25th overall pick. This is a 30yo goaltender who's only played more than 41GP once in his career, and it was behind a BOS team that set a new NHL record in regular season wins (i.e. hardly a normal season). And despite winning the Vezina, he was only able to put up a 3.33GAA and 0.896 sv% in the playoffs that year, and was outplayed the following season by Swayman. Plus he has a M-NTC with Ottawa on his no-trade list, and was rumoured to have already nixed a trade at least year's deadline.

Just seems like it's maybe not the ideal fit, especially if they're trying to move away from a culture of adding players without considering or prioritizing their intentions of staying with the team long-term (e.g. DeBrincat, Talbot, Chychrun, Tarasenko, etc.).
- khawk

Ullmark isn’t the answer. Better D and better team defence through coaching is what this team needs. Burn the Chychryn asset on getting that RD.

If they can bring in a 1b and move out/buy out forsburg, go for it. But the home run goalie isn’t going to happen and this team will not support him if the player changes aren’t made first.

I don't think amazing defence is that far away. There were some games towards the end of this past season where Sanderson played like an all star at both ends of the ice. I believe the addition of a top 4 defensive/physical Dman will result in immediate and substantial improvement by the Sens in their own end.
- spatso

Agreed. It's no coincidence all three top LD played some of their best hockey when they were slotted alongside Zub. Zub is the only complimentary, relatively responsible, strong hockey IQ RD option that the Sens have for three top 2/4 offensively inclined LD. We need to land that top 4 defensively responsible RD with size.

Easier said than done - IMO if this talk of the Rangers buying out Trouba is true, Sens should consider trading for that contract with 50% retention. Guy's only 30 and is kind of perfect at 4M*2.

I don't think amazing defence is that far away. There were some games towards the end of this past season where Sanderson played like an all star at both ends of the ice. I believe the addition of a top 4 defensive/physical Dman will result in immediate and substantial improvement by the Sens in their own end.
- spatso

Ya, I mean team D, and ofc - better on RIGHT D

Max Guenette with only 1 game experience in the NHL played 7 games at RD for the Sens and ended up with -1. His partner was Chychrun a -30 LD the worst on the team. At 6'3" 208lbs I would certainly give him a good look before selling the farm to acquire a RD.

I would only trade for Ullmark if he is committed to re-signing in Ottawa for 2-3 more years. Period, end of story ........ Boston gets #25 pick, Forsberg (Ottawa retains half salary) and Sokolov or Jarventie. Thus it frees up cap space for Boston to go hunting for Guentzel or Lindholm. They don't necessarily want a big contract coming back. Boston has Brandon Bussi in goal, and they are high on this kid as a back-up for Swayman. Bussi is no longer waiver exempt and probably can't be sent to the minors as he won't clear waivers. However, Forsberg could clear waivers and could be used as the 3rd goalie if needed .... and at $1.4 million is reasonable (assumes Sens eat half his salary). The trade also satisfies Boston's need of draft capital to help rebuild. In retrospect, I don't think Boston needs another d-man like Chychrun who will need $$$ to re-sign with Boston and Boston clearly wants the extra cap space to add a centrman.

As for Philly. Lots there. But I doubt they want to trade Konecny. If that first round swap of 7 for 12 is up as part of the trade, I would have to think that Oliver Bonk (right dman) would/should be part of the deal. That deal could entail bits and pieces such as:
#7, Chychrun (and I even heard Chabot and Sens re-sign Chychrun), Joseph, Norris, Brannstrom, Korpisalo .... ????
Philly pieces could be ..... #12, Bonk, Konecny, Farabee, Laughton, Johansen, Atkinson.
Things that make you go hmmmmmm ...... Chabot for Konecny .... maybe a few other pieces involved but cash in and cash out (as long as Konecny signs an extension).


I am not saying all pieces are involved but it would be a major shake-up.