Sadly, the coach was right in this regard. Couts, Frost and Brink all played poorly down the stretch, when the game intensity increase significantly.
- jd250

So did TK, Farabee, and countless others, yet he allows them to play, and plays a 4th liner over scoring talent.

Ok, so say you are right and this was the reason. Think about it, Quitter decided he would rather pass up roughly $950K in the 2023 season and a shot to make the Flyers, and instead go back and play another college season and demand a trade, which pushes his NHL entry back a year, just to spite the Flyers? Does this sound like a good and sound decision to you? The kid has serious character issues. We saw it first hand in the final four, where not only did he open his stupid mouth to trash talk the Denver team before the final, he was a complete no show in the final game. Anaheim ... he's all yours!
- jd250

Anaheim and their fans are going to love him.

Philly fans would have too. You included.

Anaheim and their fans are going to love him.

Philly fans would have too. You included.
- TheFreak

That one is going to hurt. So far it looks like we got fleeced and that drysdale is injury prone. Would have been great to have him and michkov

That's semantics. At the end, neither the agent nor the player would communicate with the Flyers. Which is why Jones and Briere took the step to fly overseas to the world championships to try and talk to the player.
- MJL

still spewing that nonsense despite the agent saying he did talk to them. which contradicts what danny boy and "jonesy" said.

sp boils down to who you believe. Now all of a sudden you believe the flyers.

Ok, so say you are right and this was the reason. Think about it, Quitter decided he would rather pass up roughly $950K in the 2023 season and a shot to make the Flyers, and instead go back and play another college season and demand a trade, which pushes his NHL entry back a year, just to spite the Flyers? Does this sound like a good and sound decision to you? The kid has serious character issues. We saw it first hand in the final four, where not only did he open his stupid mouth to trash talk the Denver team before the final, he was a complete no show in the final game. Anaheim ... he's all yours!
- jd250

so now trash talking equates to character issues. hysterical.

who will win a cup first, ducks or flyers?

You have no idea what you are talking about, so don't try to come on this forum and act like an authority on the subject ... you're not! Come back in 2-3 seasons, then you can perhaps have some facts to backup your claims.
- jd250

In my experience the people who say wait 2-3 years, don't want to talk about what they said 2-3 years ago.

There are those who think sunshine comes out of Drysdale's ass and there are those who realize a healthy potential #1 21 yr old dman does not get traded. It's also now on record that Drysdale was not completely healthy at any point last season after missing almost the entirety of the previous year.

https://phillyhockeynow.c...ndergo-offseason-surgery/

There are no guarantees that next year he will be any better despite DB's sunny outlook. It wasn't that long ago that Ellis was day-to-day for months or even more recently RR was day-to-day before having surgery.

It could work out but the history of the Flyers going all in on injury prone/injured dmen is about as bad as their PP/OT ranking under Torts.

I hope the Necas rumors are true and he does get traded this week. So ready for the offseason to begin and see what players get moved. The finals needs to end in a sweep to get this season over with. The earliest the seaaon can end is June 15th. It really is stupid that the season for ice hockey could end within 2 weeks from 4th of July. Truly idiotic.
- Trox88

Necas for Farabee + Frost. Necas gets 7 x $7m.

Then around Halloween Torts gets sick of Necas and buries him in the lineup behind Cates and Poehling.

I completely agree, the playoffs should start April 1st and not go past May 30th. June Hockey is just stupid. The NBA season starts later than the NHL season and yet both finals are happenings at the same time.
- jd250

Never going to happen. The NHL's US TV partners are concentrating on football and playoff baseball in September and October, so they won't allow the NHL to start the season earlier than the 2nd week of October.

That one is going to hurt. So far it looks like we got fleeced and that drysdale is injury prone. Would have been great to have him and michkov
- Hextall271

And the Flyers need to keep looking for that cornerstone DMan with one less asset.

That one is going to hurt. So far it looks like we got fleeced and that drysdale is injury prone. Would have been great to have him and michkov
- Hextall271

Fleeced? It's not like Drysdale's injury history was hidden. Are you saying he was injured when the trade was made and Anaheim hid it? I think it's more likely he was injured when he took that big hit in that Pittsburgh game. He left the ice with his left arm dangling. I thought he looked pretty dynamic in his first few games here. My guess is he re-injured it there. The Flyers medical staff did a visual exam, determined Drysdale was being a big wussy and sent him back out there as soon as he was able to move his arm again. He was pretty useless the rest of the season.

here it is: https://youtu.be/jex-CEoraO0?si=yhw5U_XipFNNgwuE

Fleeced? It's not like Drysdale's injury history was hidden. Are you saying he was injured when the trade was made and Anaheim hid it? I think it's more likely he was injured when he took that big hit in that Pittsburgh game. He left the ice with his left arm dangling. I thought he looked pretty dynamic in his first few games here. My guess is he re-injured it there. The Flyers medical staff did a visual exam, determined Drysdale was being a big wussy and sent him back out there as soon as he was able to move his arm again. He was pretty useless the rest of the season.

here it is: https://youtu.be/jex-CEoraO0?si=yhw5U_XipFNNgwuE
- Dkos

Fleeced means that we ended up receiving an ineffective asset for a 5th overall pick that will likely become a big offensive weapon. I think the team knew about his injury history and had the med staff check him out, clear him and they decided to take the risk despite the history. Then of course, he gets trucked and he was gone/played through an inujury the rest of the year.

Yes Wirtz was cheap but he was cheap for 40 years. From 2002-04 they traded 4 of their best players away. All of the players you mentioned other than Havlat were gone within a year or 2 of their acquisitions. Havlat was only 25 when they got him.
- Schmojo

In the early 90's a handful of the biggest stars were pulling 500k and some bottom-tier guys were even making 5-digits. It was a totally different landscape for the owners.

When salaries started exploding in the mid/late 90's Wirtz refused to go along and that's when the team nosedived. Again, not from the standpoint of rebuilding, but only because the owner didn't like where the winds were blowing and just decided to dig in.

My point was they were in a similar place as the Flyers for a number of years, not good but also not really awful. It wasn’t until they started to really trade those guys that they picked high enough, enough times, to build their foundation. If the Flyers trade the likes of TK, Laughton, Sanheim, etc. it could allow them to pick high enough the next few years to get some elite talent like Chicago got with Toews and Kane. It requires a little luck like them getting Kane but it would give the Flyers a better chance of becoming a contender vs investing long term in TK and trying to rush it.
- Schmojo

Yeah, the big difference is the 'Hawks were willing to let all their players go.

The Flyers have been busy re-signing Coots, Tipp, Sanheim, Seeler, Laughts, etc. If Hart wasn't in legal limbo he'd have been re-signed this summer.

People make it sound like TK represents some kind of crossroads for the organization when it's pretty clear that the path had already been chosen the minute they hired Torts and kept re-upping all the guys mentioned above.

Fleeced? It's not like Drysdale's injury history was hidden. Are you saying he was injured when the trade was made and Anaheim hid it?
- Dkos

They didn't hide it, but he missed two months for Anaheim with a lower body injury, and then after the season ended the Flyers said it might need surgery.

https://www.nhl.com/flyer...er/jamie-drysdale-8482142
https://www.cbssports.com...g-with-lower-body-injury/

That's totally separate from the arm injury.

Fleeced means that we ended up receiving an ineffective asset for a 5th overall pick that will likely become a big offensive weapon. I think the team knew about his injury history and had the med staff check him out, clear him and they decided to take the risk despite the history. Then of course, he gets trucked and he was gone/played through an inujury the rest of the year.
- Hextall271

Fleeced implies that the Flyers were tricked. They weren't tricked. If the Drysdale trade turns out to be a bad one it wasn't because of anything Anaheim did. This is totally on the Flyers...just like not being able to sign their (potentially) best pick since 2017 is totally on the Flyers. There was no trickery involved. Just bad moves by the Flyers.

still spewing that nonsense despite the agent saying he did talk to them. which contradicts what danny boy and "jonesy" said.

sp boils down to who you believe. Now all of a sudden you believe the flyers.
- hello it's me 2050

Well one side is lying or at least one side is spinning the facts like a seasoned politician. Fact is we will probably never know the exact story. Regardless, we can boo the kid for his entire career. Yet we all know how this story ends. That frigging guy will hoist the Cup before we have another parade down Broad Street. 😞

I am more than welcome to come on this PUBLIC forum and voice my opinion. So don't be like that...?!?!?!?!

I actually do know what I am talking about. At this point in his career, Drysdale has missed more games that he has played. Being healthy and able to play in games is a key component to being a top tier player. Just ask Lindros and Patrick how much injuries screwed their careers. Lindros' career would have been probably top 5 all time if he could have stayed healthy. Patrick might have been a middle tier center if he could have stayed healthy. Being repeatedly injured is a huge aspect to how a player should be relied upon in a lineup.

He can have all the talent in the world, but not being able to actually play in the games makes it mean nothing. A top pairing dman needs to play in at least 75 games a year to be an effective top dman. Not being able to appear affects that. He has had major surgery on his shoulder at just 21, and is a smaller player. He seems a bit brittle, and bad shoulders on dmen are like bad hips on goalies.

So far, he has shown he skates pretty, makes some nice passes, but really was uneffective for the Flyers after he was acquired. He had 5 points in 24 games, and was a -18 in that time. He has a combined 50 points in 147 NHL...is a 0.34 ppg career average, which gives him an average of only 28 points in an 82 game season. He is a career -61 in 147....so his defensive game seems to not be upper tier, as was shown last year in his limited appearances with Philly.

How is any of this top pairing?
- TheFreak

He has to be top pairing why else would gmdb trade a top 5 pick for anything less?

Necas for Farabee + Frost. Necas gets 7 x $7m.

Then around Halloween Torts gets sick of Necas and buries him in the lineup behind Cates and Poehling.
- Feanor

Unfortunately that would be a likely outcome. I do think in the end Necas gets traded out West, perhaps SEA.

Fleeced implies that the Flyers were tricked. They weren't tricked. If the Drysdale trade turns out to be a bad one it wasn't because of anything Anaheim did. This is totally on the Flyers...just like not being able to sign their (potentially) best pick since 2017 is totally on the Flyers. There was no trickery involved. Just bad moves by the Flyers.
- Dkos

As of right now the trade results as to who won/lost is yet to be determined. Quitter may be nothing special, may be a solid top 6W, may be the second coming of Jari Kurri. JD might be on LTIR, might be a fair middle pairing D, or might become the next Paul Coffey. And who knows who that 2nd rounder turns out to be. On its face it was a good trade. Both players have a lot of talent and promise. If JD is healthy, he’s got a ton of talent and his skating is amazing. He gets paired with a solid big stay at home D, he could flourish. Get to work Danny. Get JD and York the partners they need!

Necas for Farabee + Frost. Necas gets 7 x $7m.

Then around Halloween Torts gets sick of Necas and buries him in the lineup behind Cates and Poehling.
- Feanor

Oh the pessimism of we Flyers fans. But, that’s about as Flyer of an outcome as we could expect! Funny thought and sadly within the realm of possibilities. Also, is Necas the guy whose father said something about him not being happy in Carolina? That might mesh well here too. All that being said, that deal and a 7x7 would be a solid move.

Fleeced? It's not like Drysdale's injury history was hidden. Are you saying he was injured when the trade was made and Anaheim hid it? I think it's more likely he was injured when he took that big hit in that Pittsburgh game. He left the ice with his left arm dangling. I thought he looked pretty dynamic in his first few games here. My guess is he re-injured it there. The Flyers medical staff did a visual exam, determined Drysdale was being a big wussy and sent him back out there as soon as he was able to move his arm again. He was pretty useless the rest of the season.

here it is: https://youtu.be/jex-CEoraO0?si=yhw5U_XipFNNgwuE
- Dkos

Flyers said he wasn’t 100% when they acquired him.

If JD is top 4 and a good PP QB, then the trade is fine. If the pick turns into something , even better. Probably should let them all play before we pronounce the winner of the trade.

Well one side is lying or at least one side is spinning the facts like a seasoned politician. Fact is we will probably never know the exact story. Regardless, we can boo the kid for his entire career. Yet we all know how this story ends. That frigging guy will hoist the Cup before we have another parade down Broad Street. 😞
- mikeyo27

correct.

the flyers do not get my benefit of the doubt. I believe the agent.

If JD is top 4 and a good PP QB, then the trade is fine. If the pick turns into something , even better. Probably should let them all play before we pronounce the winner of the trade.
- wcorvette

jiri latal

If JD is top 4 and a good PP QB, then the trade is fine. If the pick turns into something , even better. Probably should let them all play before we pronounce the winner of the trade.
- wcorvette

And wait for Cutter to show what he is too.

As of right now the trade results as to who won/lost is yet to be determined. Quitter may be nothing special, may be a solid top 6W, may be the second coming of Jari Kurri. JD might be on LTIR, might be a fair middle pairing D, or might become the next Paul Coffey. And who knows who that 2nd rounder turns out to be. On its face it was a good trade. Both players have a lot of talent and promise. If JD is healthy, he’s got a ton of talent and his skating is amazing. He gets paired with a solid big stay at home D, he could flourish. Get to work Danny. Get JD and York the partners they need!
- mikeyo27

You don't feel uneasy about the guy being pegged as a top dman being surrounded with "if's" and "coulds", and who's history shows him to be injury prone?

I would love to be wrong and have Drysdale become even what Zack Werenski is, but I have my doubts that a small, injury dman can stay in the lineup consistantly enough to prove that. He just doesn't seem durable.

Like cmon folks...if we have Drysdale, York and Andrea in the lineup, we are going to be very undersized. I like York, and had no issues with his selection in the draft. He was captain of Team USA at points in his career, so he has been seen as a leader to his peers. I don't see a place for 3 puck moving dmen under 6'.

I get that the Flyers had to move Gauthier, but it just feels like they settled for a guy based purely on his potential, and the not the facts of his 5 year NHL career so far.