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mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 4 @ 3:34 PM ET
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- hello it's me 2050


Then it’s more or less a “so what” waste of time. How random to wait this long and roll those two out if there’s nothing new.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 4 @ 3:41 PM ET
Ok, so say you are right and this was the reason. Think about it, Quitter decided he would rather pass up roughly $950K in the 2023 season and a shot to make the Flyers, and instead go back and play another college season and demand a trade, which pushes his NHL entry back a year, just to spite the Flyers? Does this sound like a good and sound decision to you? The kid has serious character issues. We saw it first hand in the final four, where not only did he open his stupid mouth to trash talk the Denver team before the final, he was a complete no show in the final game. Anaheim ... he's all yours!
- jd250


You're blowing it out of proportion and acting like a scorn girl who got dumped. I don't like the way that Gauthier handled it but that does not mean he has serious character issues. That's BS. He was voted the outstanding forward in the WJC and a finalist for the Hobey Baker award. Anaheim got the better end of the deal and the Flyers screwed themselves.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jun 4 @ 3:42 PM ET
Then it’s more or less a “so what” waste of time. How random to wait this long and roll those two out if there’s nothing new.
- mikeyo27



Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

Jun 4 @ 3:43 PM ET
dont some evaluations/ rankings have cutter as the top prospect in hockey or something to that effect?
- hello it's me 2050


No, he’s a top prospect for sure but he’s not on their level. He ranks below Fantilli, Carlsson, Cooley, Michkov, Smith and would not go ahead of Celebrini. That’s just the forwards, as he ranks below many young defenseman too. He is most likely going to be a very good player but will do that at wing. Most evaluations still see him as a 1LW at best and question if he can move to the middle, even though his size makes it appear ideal. He still makes questionable decisions at times and isn’t the best 200ft player. He should excel playing alongside Carlsson.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 4 @ 3:44 PM ET
Sadly, the coach was right in this regard. Couts, Frost and Brink all played poorly down the sin tretch, when the game intensity increase significantly.
- jd250


The only thing sad is how far you have your head up Tortorella's ass. It was a horrendous coaching decision and is indicative of the flaws in his coaching mindset and why they'll never win with him.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 4 @ 3:49 PM ET
No, he’s a top prospect for sure but he’s not on their level. He ranks below Fantilli, Carlsson, Cooley, Michkov, Smith and would not go ahead of Celebrini. That’s just the forwards, as he ranks below many young defenseman too. He is most likely going to be a very good player but will do that at wing. Most evaluations still see him as a 1LW at best and question if he can move to the middle, even though his size makes it appear ideal. He still makes questionable decisions at times and isn’t the best 200ft player. He should excel playing alongside Carlsson.
- Schmojo

I could have sworn seen several that him #1

either or flyers phucked up/
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 4 @ 3:53 PM ET
"“It’s a private issue between the player and his family,” Overhardt told TSN’s Pierre Lebrun. “We definitely had conversations with Philadelphia, we had very respectable conversations with Philadelphia about it, we’ve chosen just to take the high road and leave all that information private.”

Maybe you should look up the definition of the word communicate. I know this will come as a shock to you, but it actually doesn't mean 'getting the answers you want to get.'

- PT21



You don't seem to understand the difference between never communicating with the Flyers and then after informing them that he didn't want to sign with them, cutting off all communication and having no further communication. All well documented. Discussed ad nauseam on here. Maybe you should do some more research.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 4 @ 3:58 PM ET
Briere and Co have lied multiple times to fans, not just the once.

They lied about no contact with the player or agent. No contact and not getting the answers you want are 2 totally different things.


- TheFreak



That's not true at all. The Flyers never stated that they never had contact with the player or agent. They said when they wanted to sign him in May, and the Gauthier camp said they no longer want to play for the Flyers, and communication was cut off. That's when the Flyers stated that they no longer had any contact. They didn't lie about that.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:01 PM ET
That's not true at all. The Flyers never stated that they never had contact with the player or agent. They said when they wanted to sign him in May, and the Gauthier camp said they no longer want to play for the Flyers, and communication was cut off. That's when the Flyers stated that they no longer had any contact. They didn't lie about that.
- MJL

Well the agent states otherwise. Agent said he spoke to them in Sweden and home.


Do you have any proof they didn’t lie ? Please share.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:06 PM ET
Technically, they said they were unable to get in touch with Gauthier. The sneaky implication was that they were unable to get in touch with his camp, which is of course untrue. But it was an implication, so subterfuge I guess, not outirght lying.


- PT21


You're wrong. It not untrue. Once Gauthier told the Flyers he no longer wanted to play for them, the Flyers were unable to get in contact with the Gauthier camp. This is well reported by sources such as Elliotte Friedman




I strongly doubt Flyers don't have any idea why the kid wanted out. I think they have some very, very good ideas. The frantic stalking of Gauthier was not about getting answers. It was about getting the answers and then using them to try to change his mind.

- PT21


I'm sure they have some ideas but they wanted to hear from the player. It was not frantic stalking. It was attempt to talk to he player to try and fix whatever the issue was. Which was the Flyers right, as they had sole negotiating rights with the player. Of course they wanted to try and change his mind. What is wrong with that? LOL
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:11 PM ET
Firstly, Drysdale absolutely has the potential to be a 1st pairing defenseman, in fact at his draft he was the only defenseman that was projected to have this potential. He was rushed to the NHL but still at only 19 years old played 81 games his first full season. Yes he has since got hurt, but this is not unexpected from a smallish defenseman. He is only 22 years old. He will get stronger and smarter and learn to stay on the ice. The fact is Drysdale has only played 147 NHL games. You really need 250-400 NHL games before you truly see what a defenseman is going to be. We need to be patient and give him time. Also Quitter hasn't played 1 NHL game yet and like I said, as a sophomore at BC was not even the best player on his team. Let's see if Quitter can stay on the ice his first few seasons and see what he can do. There is still a long way to go with this story.
- jd250


You're wrong. Gauthier was a Hobey Baker finalist. None of his other BC teammates were. This is an example of what is meant by you just continue to make poop up.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jun 4 @ 4:18 PM ET
You don't seem to understand the difference between never communicating with the Flyers and then after informing them that he didn't want to sign with them, cutting off all communication and having no further communication. All well documented. Discussed ad nauseam on here. Maybe you should do some more research.
- MJL


Yes, there was no further communication after some time presumably because there was nothing to communicate about. The decision had been made, and conveyed. They did not have to say anything more because from their perspective, there was nothing to say.








Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 4 @ 4:22 PM ET
You're wrong. Gauthier was a Hobey Baker finalist. None of his other BC teammates were. This is an example of what is meant by you just continue to make poop up.
- MJL


BC had 2 players that were among the 10 Hobey Baker finalists. Will Smith was the other one.

mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 4 @ 4:24 PM ET

- PT21


That’s fantastic! Someone who’s good at editing needs to post a portion of tomorrow’s big presser with that music superimposed in the background!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:26 PM ET
Yes, there was no further communication after some time presumably because there was nothing to communicate about. The decision had been made, and conveyed. They did not have to say anything more because from their perspective, there was nothing to say.
- PT21


So you're admitting that you were wrong. Glad we got that straightened out. From the Flyers perspective, there was more to communicate about.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:27 PM ET
BC had 2 players that were among the 10 Hobey Baker finalists. Will Smith was the other one.
- Minnyhock


Gauthier was top 3, which are considered the finalists
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jun 4 @ 4:36 PM ET
So you're admitting that you were wrong. Glad we got that straightened out. From the Flyers perspective, there was more to communicate about.
- MJL



The only thing I am admitting is my repeated folly of conversing with a man who is a decades long poster child for not taking his long overdue psychiatric meds.

Now, cretin, (frank) off.





PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jun 4 @ 4:38 PM ET
That’s fantastic! Someone who’s good at editing needs to post a portion of tomorrow’s big presser with that music superimposed in the background!
- mikeyo27


Its is a indeed a fantastic composition. Kind of Blue gets my vote for greatest American album of all time.

As far as the montage: nice idea.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jun 4 @ 4:40 PM ET
Is Torts immune to a terrible start next year?
- rayc16

I am not sure what the flyers hierarchy are aiming at. Rebuild on the fly, stay solid planted in nomansland? They are definitely not interested in tanking and play guys for the future over dinasour veterans as of yet.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:44 PM ET
The only thing I am admitting is my repeated folly of conversing with a man who is a decades long poster child for not taking his long overdue psychiatric meds.

Now, cretin, (frank) off.

- PT21


LOL, all it takes is to remind you of the facts for you to go off and embarrass yourself. Every once in a while, you need to be reminded and put in your place. It's a public service I perform. Get your act together.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jun 4 @ 4:45 PM ET
LOL, all it takes is to remind you of the facts for you to go off and embarrass yourself. Every once in a while, you need to be reminded and put in your place. It's a public service I perform. Get your act together.
- MJL


THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jun 4 @ 4:47 PM ET
Please just spew ill-informed hyperbolic crap on a message board without know what the hell actually happened and with no context behind it. Won't tax your pea-brain that way.
- bmeltzer

Omg! Someone rattled Bill's cage 🧐
But a pre-brain will be president in 2024. Anyway way you slice it. 😉
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 4 @ 5:22 PM ET
You're wrong. It not untrue. Once Gauthier told the Flyers he no longer wanted to play for them, the Flyers were unable to get in contact with the Gauthier camp. This is well reported by sources such as Elliotte Friedman



I'm sure they have some ideas but they wanted to hear from the player. It was not frantic stalking. It was attempt to talk to he player to try and fix whatever the issue was. Which was the Flyers right, as they had sole negotiating rights with the player. Of course they wanted to try and change his mind. What is wrong with that? LOL

- MJL

Simple question cliff. Is the agent lying saying he did talk to the flyers in sweden and when they got home?

the agent has debunked this already yet you still repeat it. why?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 4 @ 5:24 PM ET
LOL, all it takes is to remind you of the facts for you to go off and embarrass yourself. Every once in a while, you need to be reminded and put in your place. It's a public service I perform. Get your act together.
- MJL

provide the facts that the flyers are not lying? you have none. why wont you address that the agent has contradicted what the flyers said you turd?
Dave21Brown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 12.09.2018

Jun 4 @ 5:38 PM ET
The Gauthier defection hurts, the Flyers now have zero center prospects. You don’t have many successful rebuilds without building through the middle. Whatever happened is irrelevant, it happened.

Man, this organization has pooched a couple good picks in recent years.
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