I do not like lime in my beer. In my water ok but not my beer. It's like a grapefruit tasting beer
- dmnted

Excuse me, Dementor, but the proper name is Radler, thank you very much.

Caught my PB largemouth this morning on the whopper plopper. Straight outta Toronto harbour mang. Go Leafs Go.

my local brewery took my fave IPA and threw a bunch of grapefruit rinds in it. Made one keg. Best beer ive had.
- drexel

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Trouba took alot of heat for his poor play. Some media better be apologizing
- drexel

Lukewarm take : Trouba was never that good.

I am truly puzzled how Marner is getting run out of town on a rail, and nobody has said boo about Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, Rielly, Bertuzzi, Domi,...
- Atomic Wedgie

Maybe it's because none of those guys have ever bent their hometown team over for every penny for a contract they've never been able to live up to, and look like their posturing to do it again.

Tavares - left money on the table.
Willy - ended up taking a contract that had him well underpaid for 6 years
Matthews - extended ahead of time at a reasonable number, twice.
Bertuzzi, Domi - took one year deals to be here.
Rielly - extended ahead of time below market value

Marners already leveraged the team for every cent, even demanded essentially backpay on bonuses. Got it, played it out, didn't live up to it, and is now posturing to go into a "pay me every cent or ill walk and take it on the open market" season.

Really not difficult to see why people are having an issue with this compared to other players.

I do not like lime in my beer. In my water ok but not my beer. It's like a grapefruit tasting beer
- dmnted

i crush radlers on a hot summer day

Pavelski retiring.

TIL he is the alltime leader in playoff games...without a cup

Maybe it's because none of those guys have ever bent their hometown team over for every penny for a contract they've never been able to live up to, and look like their posturing to do it again.

Tavares - left money on the table.
Willy - ended up taking a contract that had him well underpaid for 6 years
- joel878

Two bold lies.

Tavares was the 2nd highest paid player in the NHL when he signed with the Leafs. And he didn't live up to the contract either aside from maybe year 1 when Marner gave him a career high 47 goals.

By that logic, if the Sharks offered Marner 15 AAV a year and he signed for 12 with the Leafs, therefore Marner is also giving the Leafs a discount?

At the end of the day, Tavares cost the Leafs more money than he was worth. That was still tremendously detrimental to the team. It also created as cascade effect where everybody who signed after him (Matthews and Marner) got paid more. So even if he "left money on the table", it ended up costing the Leafs more in the near future anyway.

Nylander was overpaid for half that contract.

Year 1, 10 AAV cap hit because he held out. 7 goals, played like crap overall.
Year 2, 59 points.
Year 3, 42 points.
Year 4, 80 points.
Year 5, 89 points.
Year 6, 98 points.

He only finally lived up to it at the end when he was playing for a big extension. And then got overpaid again. His numbers dropped off after he signed too. His head hurt from all the money he got.

Maybe it's because none of those guys have ever bent their hometown team over for every penny for a contract they've never been able to live up to, and look like their posturing to do it again.

Tavares - left money on the table.
Willy - ended up taking a contract that had him well underpaid for 6 years
Matthews - extended ahead of time at a reasonable number, twice.
Bertuzzi, Domi - took one year deals to be here.
Rielly - extended ahead of time below market value

Marners already leveraged the team for every cent, even demanded essentially backpay on bonuses. Got it, played it out, didn't live up to it, and is now posturing to go into a "pay me every cent or ill walk and take it on the open market" season.

Really not difficult to see why people are having an issue with this compared to other players.
- joel878

Willie did not take lower contract for the team.
He held out for more money. His cap was 6.9 only because he held out for several months. He was paid 7.4 per and had he not held out thats what his cap would be.
He was only underpaid his final two years....maybe 3. The first 3 years he was not overpaid at all.

He is now overpaid.
Unless he gets 100pts

Utah could be very good next year. 50M in cap space, an owner that wants to spend it all/win, and a billion draft picks.

They're going to throw the bank at a handful of star free agents. If they land a few they're going to be really good.

Utah could be very good next year. 50M in cap space, an owner that wants to spend it all/win, and a billion draft picks.

They're going to throw the bank at a handful of star free agents. If they land a few they're going to be really good.
- The Law

Johnny Utah

Friedman says he thinks marner will possibly be still here with the leafs for the season and that (some in) Toronto management doesnt want another kadri situation. Where they traded him too early
- Fakepartofme

Don’t want a repeat of the Kadri trade…

Don’t want a repeat of the Tkachuk trade

Don’t want a repeat of the Sundin (no) trade

Don’t want a repeat of the Marchment trade

Don’t want a repeat of the Bauchemin signing

Don’t want a repeat of the Hyman (non) signing

Sigh…

Don’t want a repeat of the Kadri trade…

Don’t want a repeat of the Tkachuk trade

Don’t want a repeat of the Sundin (no) trade

Don’t want a repeat of the Marchment trade

Don’t want a repeat of the Bauchemin signing

Don’t want a repeat of the Hyman (non) signing

Sigh…
- Turnitaround

Marleau

Utah could be very good next year. 50M in cap space, an owner that wants to spend it all/win, and a billion draft picks.

They're going to throw the bank at a handful of star free agents. If they land a few they're going to be really good.
- The Law

Why does everybody seem to believe that throwing a bunch of money at UFAs will make the team very good?

Maybe a playoff team but beyond that, I don't see that garbage team becoming a legit contender overnight because of UFAs.

Has that ever worked for the Leafs? For anybody?

Utah is still the Coyotes on the ice. They can load up on a bunch of UFAs but they're still a bad team. They'll have to continue to draft and develop players (which doesn't happen overnight) and win trades to be a true contender.

It was a complete failure across the board.

Scapegoating Marner achieves absolutely nothing.

The entire team pooped the bed.

The entire team deserves equal criticism.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't disagree that the entire team and organization deserves criticism. JT and Keefe get an extra shout out.

The biggest difference for me with Marner is that he's the softest, wimpiest and whiniest of all...and appears the greediest and dumbest. Dad issues not excluded.

JT's $11M is the biggest problem for the Cap now.

Marner and his next deal is the biggest problem for the Cap and the future signings of the team going forward.

If a 90-100pt winger who disappears in the playoffs is paid $13+ the Leafs Cap problems have only just begun. Future signings will all be overinflated using his Cap hit as a barometer. *See how Boston seems to handle this issue.

If they trade Marner now, it changes everything. IMHO

I'm not saying if this is all true (and I still have my doubts but it's sounding more like this was in fact the full quote) and I don't think fans and media will be in an uproar all season. I also don't believe fans and media sit on their hands and wait patiently all season and don't say anything about this. They will grow increasingly louder as the season goes on and it could range from them saying the Leafs can't afford to let him walk to let him walk he's a greedy so and so.

Media is more about the business of creating drama and sharing it - real or not, at least today's media is sadly.


- Cush29

Remember when nobody used the word 'media'? It used to be called news instead...and it pretty much was 'news' except for the odd editorial. Now....wow.

Two bold lies.

Tavares was the 2nd highest paid player in the NHL when he signed with the Leafs. And he didn't live up to the contract either aside from maybe year 1 when Marner gave him a career high 47 goals.

By that logic, if the Sharks offered Marner 15 AAV a year and he signed for 12 with the Leafs, therefore Marner is also giving the Leafs a discount?

At the end of the day, Tavares cost the Leafs more money than he was worth. That was still tremendously detrimental to the team. It also created as cascade effect where everybody who signed after him (Matthews and Marner) got paid more. So even if he "left money on the table", it ended up costing the Leafs more in the near future anyway.

Nylander was overpaid for half that contract.

Year 1, 10 AAV cap hit because he held out. 7 goals, played like crap overall.
Year 2, 59 points.
Year 3, 42 points.
Year 4, 80 points.
Year 5, 89 points.
Year 6, 98 points.

He only finally lived up to it at the end when he was playing for a big extension. And then got overpaid again. His numbers dropped off after he signed too. His head hurt from all the money he got.
- Rare_Jewel

I wonder why his points were so low in Year 2 and 3, hmmm wonder why wonder why

Remember when nobody used the word 'media'? It used to be called news instead...and it pretty much was 'news' except for the odd editorial. Now....wow.
- oldstyle

Corporate (and/or government) sponsored messaging.

I wonder why his points were so low in Year 2 and 3, hmmm wonder why wonder why
- Zezel

Marner still had 85 points in 69 games this year.

Remember when nobody used the word 'media'? It used to be called news instead...and it pretty much was 'news' except for the odd editorial. Now....wow.
- oldstyle

Marshall McLuhan talked about media in the 60s.

i crush radlers on a hot summer day
- TheMussel

I hate grapefruit with a passion ..

glad you can crush them on a hot summer days but will offer your throat to the wolf with the red rose

I hate grapefruit with a passion ..

glad you can crush
- dmnted

grapefruit is my second favourite fruit after watermelon

I don't disagree that the entire team and organization deserves criticism. JT and Keefe get an extra shout out.

The biggest difference for me with Marner is that he's the softest, wimpiest and whiniest of all...and appears the greediest and dumbest. Dad issues not excluded.

JT's $11M is the biggest problem for the Cap now.

Marner and his next deal is the biggest problem for the Cap and the future signings of the team going forward.

If a 90-100pt winger who disappears in the playoffs is paid $13+ the Leafs Cap problems have only just begun. Future signings will all be overinflated using his Cap hit as a barometer. *See how Boston seems to handle this issue.

If they trade Marner now, it changes everything. IMHO
- underhill14

It changes by making the Leafs a worse team.

Marner's next contract is not a problem because Tavares' contract expires at the exact same time. Which means, Tavares leaving, either this year or next year, solves the problem.

If Keefe was the problem. Lets see what Berube can do. If MM is all about the $, he should have an amazing contract year like WIllie. Who's to say that cant get them to a Cup. Without the injuries, the LEafs beat Boston. Then who knows what would have happened. Booing him is just silly
- drexel

Keefe wasn't the big problem. 4 x 3rd pair defence-men were.

Marner still had 85 points in 69 games this year.
- Rare_Jewel

I love Marner.