I’d be ok with Woll, Broissoit and Murray/Jones

It might, but I suspect the Rangers lock up Shesterkin at a minimum, and whoever Nashville trades Saros to will probably try and extend him . . .

Shesterkin
Ullmark
Saros
Hill
Husso
Allen
Andersen
Vanecek
Georgiev
Vejmelka
Forsberg
Blackwood
Thompson
Domingue
- Monkeypunk

The Rangers would be foolish to let Shesterkin go.

There's some good names on that list, but nothing that jumps out at me as realistically available and able to make a major impact. I'm not convinced that Ullmark would be equally effective playing for someone other than Boston.

Georgiev is interesting, but I don't see the Avs letting him go.

Tarasov
- Arctic_AARDVARK

He'll be an RFA.

With that logic why did it take 14 years for Ovechkin to win his cup? I mean, everyone said you can't win with Ovi but then he did win. /shrug

#ShouldhaveTradedHim since his 50 goals didnt get them anywhere
- Aaron_85

That has nothing to do with the point.
Again, you're side stepping to nonsense and not answering the question.

Also, no one said you couldnt win with OV.
But almost everyone has said you cant win with half your cap locked up in 4 forwards.
So far they've been right.

Curious that McDavid went from 64 goals to 32 this year and focused on hitting 100 assists.

Hyman improved from 36 goals to 54.

Hmmm.... 🤔
- mjones242

Its not curious.
Hyman still has to score the goals.
For sure mcj helped improved his goal scoring totals, but by 20 - 25 goals? Seems a bit much.

It's not really that curious when you factor in some people act like they know everything, but actually don't know very much.
- joel878

The angry pot and kettle have arrived.

I'm curious to hear the idea on Knight from the Panthers... they are going Stolli the goalie for the backup...

Knight is 23 and skilled.... Could Tre pry him loose I wonder... esp if Cats lose Reinhart... which a def possibility and others..
- dozerD10

The Leafs aren't in a position to take that gamble. The Blackhawks or Ducks would be smart to inquire.

I’d be ok with Woll, Broissoit and Murray/Jones
- Canada Cup

If they all come under 4m total?...why not

The Rangers would be foolish to let Shesterkin go.

There's some good names on that list, but nothing that jumps out at me as realistically available and able to make a major impact. I'm not convinced that Ullmark would be equally effective playing for someone other than Boston.

Georgiev is interesting, but I don't see the Avs letting him go.
- GalacticStone

Apparently, sherk is looking to $10m per

Its not curious.
Hyman still has to score the goals.
- Fakepartofme

I always liked Hyman. It's just one of those budget situations where a player didn't merit a higher caphit at that particular time. The market is a fickle mistress and some rival dumbass GM can end up screwing over one team more than helping their own - this is not one of those cases, but it's kinda adjacent in the sense that while Hyman obviously helped Edmonton, losing him also hurt the Leafs.

I might argue that while Hyman never scored goals at this clip during his time in Toronto, he filled a role on the roster that has not been completely filled since he left. He provide timely middle-six offense and responsible 2-way play (for the most part). Bert may have replaced some/all of that offense, but I don't think anyone would rather have Bert over Hyman now.

What did the Leafs offer Hyman again? I forget.

Apparently, sherk is looking to $10m per
- Fakepartofme

Ouch. Goalies are gottdamm voodoo. Hard to tell what they are worth. Bob in Florida is a good example. His contract has been bashed as terrible for years. If he lifts the Cup this year, all will be forgiven.

I always liked Hyman. It's just one of those budget situations where a player didn't merit a higher caphit at that particular time. The market is a fickle mistress and some rival dumbass GM can end up screwing over one team more than helping their own - this is not one of those cases, but it's kinda adjacent in the sense that while Hyman obviously helped Edmonton, losing him also hurt the Leafs.

I might argue that while Hyman never scored goals at this clip during his time in Toronto, he filled a role on the roster that has not been completely filled since he left. He provide timely middle-six offense and responsible 2-way play (for the most part). Bert may have replaced some/all of that offense, but I don't think anyone would rather have Bert over Hyman now.

What did the Leafs offer Hyman again? I forget.
- GalacticStone

With matthews at center, i dont believe hyman would have socred that many goals either. As all pucks would move to matthews, with McDavid he shoots and feeds the puck.
Im not sure what the leafs offered him, not sure it was accurately posted. At the time i didn't want to pay him anything over 4.5 x 5 and i was thrilled that we didnt sign him at 5.5 x 7.
But hes turned into exactly what we need., so we missed the boat on that.
So has verghaege, he turned out to be a great player as well.

Ouch. Goalies are gottdamm voodoo. Hard to tell what they are worth. Bob in Florida is a good example. His contract has been bashed as terrible for years. If he lifts the Cup this year, all will be forgiven.
- GalacticStone

Ya im not i would pay any goalie 10m. Bobs contract has been horrible.
Even if he lifts the cup, has he played like a 10m goalie? Hes definitely been better...but i wouldnt say hes their mvp these playoffs......yet.
Imo

The angry pot and kettle have arrived.
- Fakepartofme

Sooky baby with the bad takes is back.

That has nothing to do with the point.
Again, you're side stepping to nonsense and not answering the question.

Also, no one said you couldnt win with OV.
But almost everyone has said you cant win with half your cap locked up in 4 forwards.
So far they've been right.
- Fakepartofme

It's not side stepping at all. You didn't even ask a question.

Your idea is "cant win with 4 forwards with half the cap". Your suggestion was that the caps didn't have that problem so that's why they kept Ovi even though they had no success for 14 years. My return point is, if they don't have the cap locked in 4 guys then they should have all the space needed to "get the right guys" so why didn't they win for 14 years still?

Because it can be confusing my point is that there's no simple way to win and there's more to it than simply "trade a 10 million cap hit and fill it with a top 4 d and top 6 guy". If that were true then Ovi would have more than 1 cup. There's more problems to the leafs than the cap being taken up by 4 guys.

On to your last couple points, lots of media and fans said you cant win with Ovi, similar to how media and fans said the same about 3 cup Kessel.
Similar to how people said you can't win with a 10 million dollar cap hit, except Eichel did it last year. Someone will do it this year too with Bobrovsky or McDavid.
People like to say "it cant happen" until it does.

Again not saying I am against change on the leafs, I'm suggesting people should cool their expectations that trading Marner = win. So many variables.

Ouch. Goalies are gottdamm voodoo. Hard to tell what they are worth. Bob in Florida is a good example. His contract has been bashed as terrible for years. If he lifts the Cup this year, all will be forgiven.
- GalacticStone

I think the voodoo is a good idea. I don't know if it's just me but it feels like goalies performances swing or can swing so widely season to season so you may not always get your 10 million value. Or maybe it's because when a goalie struggles it is REALLY felt by the team whereas if a winger struggles a good goalie can cover up for it.

Ya im not i would pay any goalie 10m. Bobs contract has been horrible.
Even if he lifts the cup, has he played like a 10m goalie? Hes definitely been better...but i wouldnt say hes their mvp these playoffs......yet.
Imo
- Fakepartofme

Well I’m pretty sure the Leafs would have gotten a lot further with $10m spent on Shester than MM.

Ya im not i would pay any goalie 10m. Bobs contract has been horrible.
Even if he lifts the cup, has he played like a 10m goalie? Hes definitely been better...but i wouldnt say hes their mvp these playoffs......yet.
Imo
- Fakepartofme

I'm generally with you on the 10 million goalie. However I have to start changing my mind on that as the cap goes up. It'll become more common.

I'm generally with you on the 10 million goalie. However I have to start changing my mind on that as the cap goes up. It'll become more common.
- Aaron_85

Once its over 100m, then ya i can see and understand that.

It's not side stepping at all. You didn't even ask a question.

Your idea is "cant win with 4 forwards with half the cap". Your suggestion was that the caps didn't have that problem so that's why they kept Ovi even though they had no success for 14 years. My return point is, if they don't have the cap locked in 4 guys then they should have all the space needed to "get the right guys" so why didn't they win for 14 years still?

Because it can be confusing my point is that there's no simple way to win and there's more to it than simply "trade a 10 million cap hit and fill it with a top 4 d and top 6 guy". If that were true then Ovi would have more than 1 cup. There's more problems to the leafs than the cap being taken up by 4 guys.

On to your last couple points, lots of media and fans said you cant win with Ovi, similar to how media and fans said the same about 3 cup Kessel.
Similar to how people said you can't win with a 10 million dollar cap hit, except Eichel did it last year. Someone will do it this year too with Bobrovsky or McDavid.
People like to say "it cant happen" until it does.

Again not saying I am against change on the leafs, I'm suggesting people should cool their expectations that trading Marner = win. So many variables.
- Aaron_85

I did ask a question...how many teams had half their cap in 4 forwards?
I agree, im not on the trading marner is a for sure win for the leafs boat either.....but that truly depends on what comes back.
I honestly dont remember any quality journalists saying you absolutely cant win with OV. I do recall some Toronto media saying you cant win with kessel as your main guy. Which was true here, the leafs again, didnt build a proper team around him. When he was third/fourth fiddle in Pittsburgh, it greatly helped him and pens.
Also, ya sure the caps had the cap to build a good team, but their gm fumbled on several moves.
Having doesnt guarantee winning but it helps, having no cap to spread around the line up doesn't guarantee losing but it is/has been a detriment
As the cap goes up and this cores percentage on the overall cap goes down a bit, it will greatly benefit the team. But when it was close to half the cap it simply made no sense.

But im at a point now, trade anyone/everyone from this team or keep them all....doesn't matter to me.

I did ask a question...how many teams had half their cap in 4 forwards?
I agree, im not on the trading marner is a for sure win for the leafs boat either.....but that truly depends on what comes back.
I honestly dont remember any quality journalists saying you absolutely cant win with OV. I do recall some Toronto media saying you cant win with kessel as your main guy. Which was true here, the leafs again, didnt build a proper team around him. When he was third/fourth fiddle in Pittsburgh, it greatly helped him and pens.
Also, ya sure the caps had the cap to build a good team, but their gm fumbled on several moves.
Having doesnt guarantee winning but it helps, having no cap to spread around the line up doesn't guarantee losing but it is/has been a detriment
As the cap goes up and this cores percentage on the overall cap goes down a bit, it will greatly benefit the team. But when it was close to half the cap it simply made no sense.

But im at a point now, trade anyone/everyone from this team or keep them all....doesn't matter to me.
- Fakepartofme

I just don’t think it’s quite so cut and dried. If you’re going to wrap so much of your cap up in a few guys they’d better drag everyone along when it gets to the playoffs. This group hasn’t.

Shanny made a point in the presser about looking to see younger players take that next step at critical times (playoffs). But, he said, these aren’t younger players anymore.

Maybe the real cap space was always inside of us the whole time.

I just don’t think it’s quite so cut and dried. If you’re going to wrap so much of your cap up in a few guys they’d better drag everyone along when it gets to the playoffs. This group hasn’t.

Shanny made a point in the presser about looking to see younger players take that next step at critical times (playoffs). But, he said, these aren’t younger players anymore.
- Canada Cup

The Leafs core is at their peak prime age-wise.

Matthews is 26, 27 when season starts.

Nylander is 28.

Rielly is 30

Marner is 27.

Tavares is the old man at 33 (34 when season starts) and isn't considered part of the longer-term core.

Lollygagging around is for teenagers and college-age kids. These are grown-ass men who are pushing 30. Time to man up under Berube and bring home the (frank)ing Cup.

Maybe the real cap space was always inside of us the whole time.
- Zezel

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