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Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Jun 18 @ 10:52 PM ET
Parekh is no question the most offensively gifted defenseman, in previous years I believe he would fall, but teams that are successful today tend to have that offensive juggernaut rover.

Every team has it's own perception of players which makes it impossible to do mocks, but I make my own ranking that the highest player available has to be the pick (which I'm positive every team does).

I have D*ckinson above Eiserman. Now is Eiserman in my top 12, I do, and I would be very ok with the selection depending who is else is available. I definitely believe there's going to be at least 1 "Coyote/Detroit" pick where they select someone outside the popular rankings.

- Glak18


I believe the Sennecke hype that he will go in the top 10. Does that shake up the draft? My real surprise is Solberg goes before pick #12.
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

Jun 18 @ 11:00 PM ET
Where do we get a Tkachuk?
- Dkos


6th overall in the draft or by trading your former 3rd overall pick.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:01 PM ET
I believe the Sennecke hype that he will go in the top 10. Does that shake up the draft? My real surprise is Solberg goes before pick #12.
- Trox88


I've seen both pop in the top 10/11. For once I just want the Flyers to pick smart, don't pick someone because they are suppose to...pick them because they did their research and believe in the player. There is absolutely no way they can say that in many previous drafts, if they believe that then fire that person because results say otherwise.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 18 @ 11:03 PM ET
Where do we get a Tkachuk?
- Dkos


Ottawa.
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

Jun 18 @ 11:07 PM ET
I just think there are 12 players that are better options…. The Flyers need to take the BPA…..they need to also explore moving into the 5-6-7 over all. Apparently they are all available…hopefully DB does everything he can to make it happen.
I might have been hyperbole by comparing Eiserman to Bellows the other day…but that’s the comparison I see….a one dimensional player who’s game may not translate into the NHL….he’s the “one” guy that I hope the Flyers pass on.

- landros 2


It’s a fair comparison to speculate about. I’ve seen that comparison plus to Wahlstrom. All players excelled as goal scorers but had other issues overlooked. It’s why Eiserman is dropping because other USNTDP players haven’t been able to overcome the shortcomings. Maybe Eiserman will. There’s a scenario where the draft board falls in a way where Eiserman, Iginla, and Sennecke are BPA.

I agree they need to explore a move up. If they can do so while keeping 12, awesome. If they could come away with one of the defenseman at 5,6, or 7, and then either Catton or Helenius at 12, I’d consider it an extremely successful draft.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 18 @ 11:13 PM ET
Could Connor McDavid pull a Reggie Leach? Up to right now, he’s most deserving of the Conn Smythe. There is some chance they win though.

Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Jun 18 @ 11:22 PM ET
Could Connor McDavid pull a Reggie Leach? Up to right now, he’s most deserving of the Conn Smythe. There is some chance they win though.
- Minnyhock


In 2 years, McDavid should be making over 20 million/yr. He really is the face of the league.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 18 @ 11:31 PM ET
In 2 years, McDavid should be making over 20 million/yr. He really is the face of the league.
- Trox88


Two games and 8 points and Bob and Barkov are in the rear view mirror.

Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Jun 18 @ 11:45 PM ET
Two games and 8 points and Bob and Barkov are in the rear view mirror.
- Minnyhock


As far as Conn Smythe, I think it comes down to McDavid and Barkov. These last 2 games have sunk Bob's chances.

It is kind of funny that EDM team as far as talent depth really is not that deep. Problem is McDavid is the elite of the elite in the Gretzky or Michael Jordan type level.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 19 @ 12:06 AM ET
As far as Conn Smythe, I think it comes down to McDavid and Barkov. These last 2 games have sunk Bob's chances.

It is kind of funny that EDM team as far as talent depth really is not that deep. Problem is McDavid is the elite of the elite in the Gretzky or Michael Jordan type level.

- Trox88


Draisaitl must be hurting. McDavid 4 points and Draisaitl none. Don’t think that happens much. McDavid is putting his team on his back. Tkachuk looks less than himself. Bob would probably have to stand on his head and lose in G6 and then do it again in G7 to have a chance to win it. Yeah, I agree McD or Barkov.
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 19 @ 12:29 AM ET
I understand the Eiserman shortcomings, I just cannot ignore that type of goal scorer. I do like Parekh. I'm not buying Briere won't take another mobile RHD because they already have Drysdale and Bonk.
- Trox88



I’m intrigued by Eiserman as well since we flat out need guys who can put the puck in the net. Not to say I wouldn’t rather have others. If any of the big defensemen fall, then great. Sure, I’d be happy with Yakemchuk, D!ckenson, Parekh, etc.. Regardless, Eiserman’s talents on offense are greatly needed.

Problem is, a name sticks in my head. Yeah, they’re not the same guy, but Robbie Schremp keeps coming up in my brain when I think of him.

I dunno if anyone remembers his attempts with the Oil and Isles, but he was an incredible talent who just couldn’t translate to the NHL.

Insanely creative goal scorer. Just not an NHLer.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 19 @ 12:45 AM ET
I’m intrigued by Eiserman as well since we flat out need guys who can put the puck in the net. Not to say I wouldn’t rather have others. If any of the big defensemen fall, then great. Sure, I’d be happy with Yakemchuk, D!ckenson, Parekh, etc.. Regardless, Eiserman’s talents on offense are greatly needed.

Problem is, a name sticks in my head. Yeah, they’re not the same guy, but Robbie Schremp keeps coming up in my brain when I think of him.

I dunno if anyone remembers his attempts with the Oil and Isles, but he was an incredible talent who just couldn’t translate to the NHL.

Insanely creative goal scorer. Just not an NHLer.

- Hesh_

The guy is a big swing. He just set a record for goals over…of course…fing Cole Caulfied. If he is all they come away with from the 1st round, I’d be very nervous. If he was the second pick after they took someone earlier or even taken later (Minny, SJ, or Washington I’m looking at you as trade partners), I’d be fine with it. They need to take big swings because of their refusal to tank. Many of us want them to take big swings. I just don’t have the stomach for it if he is the only pick early in the 1st round.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 19 @ 8:00 AM ET
I think the Bellows comparison is a bit unfair. Eiserman is a better skater then Bellows. Eiserman to begin the year was rated #2 behind Celebrini. Not sure Bellows comparison should carry that much weight when he was a better goal scorer then Caufield and Conner.

I would be slightly disappointed if Eiserman gets bypassed for Yakemchuk or D#ckinson. Eiserman has the higher ceiling. A good debate though.

- Trox88


Both D*ckinson and Yakemchuk have a chance to be top pairing D. I would take either of them over Eiserman….for me it’s not close. Yes Eiserman has scored at every level he’s been at….the question is really can he he do it at the next level? As was pointed out to me the other day, Bellows was not quite as good as a prospect. True…but I just don’t see Eiserman as anything more then a one dimensional player….just my opinion.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 19 @ 8:04 AM ET
It’s a fair comparison to speculate about. I’ve seen that comparison plus to Wahlstrom. All players excelled as goal scorers but had other issues overlooked. It’s why Eiserman is dropping because other USNTDP players haven’t been able to overcome the shortcomings. Maybe Eiserman will. There’s a scenario where the draft board falls in a way where Eiserman, Iginla, and Sennecke are BPA.

I agree they need to explore a move up. If they can do so while keeping 12, awesome. If they could come away with one of the defenseman at 5,6, or 7, and then either Catton or Helenius at 12, I’d consider it an extremely successful draft.

- Schmojo


100%. Sennecke is a kid that could go as high as #4….he has shot up draft boards after turning a horrid start to the season into a dominant 2nd half where he controlled games and was often the best player on the ice. If the Flyers could grab an additional pick it would be an extremely successful draft.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 19 @ 8:27 AM ET
93. One of the all time greats.
- MJL

A true 5 tool player, the last of the greats from the best era of baseball IMO.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 19 @ 8:28 AM ET
100%. Sennecke is a kid that could go as high as #4….he has shot up draft boards after turning a horrid start to the season into a dominant 2nd half where he controlled games and was often the best player on the ice. If the Flyers could grab an additional pick it would be an extremely successful draft.
- landros 2

Its going to be an interesting draft from the 4th pick onward. its possible the Flyers stand pat and get a great prospect at 12. Then maybe they trade up from 32 if they see a player fall they really like. The Flyers should get two really good players in this first round.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 19 @ 8:32 AM ET
Both D*ckinson and Yakemchuk have a chance to be top pairing D. I would take either of them over Eiserman….for me it’s not close. Yes Eiserman has scored at every level he’s been at….the question is really can he he do it at the next level? As was pointed out to me the other day, Bellows was not quite as good as a prospect. True…but I just don’t see Eiserman as anything more then a one dimensional player….just my opinion.
- landros 2

I don't like D*ckinson at all to be honest, and I really didn't notice Parekh in the tourney for a player touted to go high in the draft. I thought Bonk was far and away the best player in that tourney. Iginla would be a great Flyer, but he will be gone unless the Flyers trade up. If Helenius is there at 12, I am running to the podium if I am Briere. At a minimum this kid will be a 2C.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 19 @ 8:38 AM ET
The guy is a big swing. He just set a record for goals over…of course…fing Cole Caulfied. If he is all they come away with from the 1st round, I’d be very nervous. If he was the second pick after they took someone earlier or even taken later (Minny, SJ, or Washington I’m looking at you as trade partners), I’d be fine with it. They need to take big swings because of their refusal to tank. Many of us want them to take big swings. I just don’t have the stomach for it if he is the only pick early in the 1st round.
- coffee junkie



All the issues I read centering around Eiserman is that he doesn't skate well enough or drive play well enough to separate himself from pressure. It works well enough against Junior players but once he gets to the NHL there will be serious questions on whether or not he will be able to get his amazing shot off. Will he be able to create the time and space needed? He works hard and all that.

If he is BPA you pick him, but I'm not really sold on him if Helenius, Catton, etc are there as well. If any of the D-men are there forget it, you pick the D. (I just doubt they are)

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 19 @ 8:38 AM ET
A true 5 tool player, the last of the greats from the best era of baseball IMO.
- jd250

the best era that you didn't witness. interesting take.

willie mays hayes > willie mays
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 19 @ 8:53 AM ET
I don't like D*ckinson at all to be honest, and I really didn't notice Parekh in the tourney for a player touted to go high in the draft. I thought Bonk was far and away the best player in that tourney. Iginla would be a great Flyer, but he will be gone unless the Flyers trade up. If Helenius is there at 12, I am running to the podium if I am Briere. At a minimum this kid will be a 2C.
- jd250


I’m not sure what you don’t like about D*ckenson? Fantastic skater, great size, great shot, high end decision making and all that before his 18th Birthday, which only came a week ago. I do agree on Helenius who also has said he wants to come over right away.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 19 @ 9:02 AM ET
the best era that you didn't witness. interesting take.

willie mays hayes > willie mays

- hello it's me 2050

true, I witnessed very little of it live, but I have still watched quite a bit of that era.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 19 @ 9:05 AM ET
Jeezus

https://broadstreetbuzz.c...buffalo-buys-out-contract
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 19 @ 9:06 AM ET
I’m not sure what you don’t like about D*ckenson? Fantastic skater, great size, great shot, high end decision making and all that before his 18th Birthday, which only came a week ago. I do agree on Helenius who also has said he wants to come over right away.
- landros 2

Granted I have not seen a great deal of D*ckinson, but from what I watched in the tourney recently, he was a disaster in his own end, and though he would join the rush and score a goal, I didn't see that from him consistently. If you are not going to play defense, at least be a consistent offensive threat when you are on the ice. To me Bonk was better than him in just about all aspects of the game. I like size and speed in a defenseman, I mean who wouldn't, but I also want to see grit and good decisions on the defensive side and he just didn't show me that in the games I watched. I think if a team takes him in the top 10 it would be a mistake, and better for the Flyers, because I don't see him as a top pairing defenseman.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 19 @ 9:08 AM ET
Jeezus

https://broadstreetbuzz.c...buffalo-buys-out-contract

- MBFlyerfan

I love this line "Skinner is not the amazing forward he used to be. Let's be fair, however. It's not like the Sabres have surrounded him with talent ". So it makes perfect sense the Flyers should sign him right away, because after all, the Flyers have oddles of talent for him to play with

Honestly, I never, not once, thought Skinner was an amazing forward. Scott Cole needs to lay off the stuff.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 19 @ 9:11 AM ET
Where do we get a Tkachuk?
- Dkos

I’ll say it before and I’ll say it again, the Flyers could have and should have been in on Matthew Tkachuk when he refused to sign with Calgary. We could have offered more than Florida did. I’m packing anyone of Farabee or Konency for that guy and this isn’t hindsight speaking. Jonathan Huberdeau is a nice player but he’s 29 at the time of the trade.
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