Is it possible for KD to use their #18 this draft and Toronto’s number one pick next draft to move up into the top 10 a week Friday? If so the possible draft scenarios will keep this board up the next 190 plus hours.
- paulr

i am wondering if the Hawks will send the 6th round pick to trade for the rights for Pat Maroon (they used this years 7th round pick for the rights to Corey Perry).

The Kings still haven't fully integrated the 2020 2nd overall, the 2021 8th overall, and the 2019 5th overall into their roster. Plus they will probably promote from the AHL Fagemo (2nd rd 2019), Thomas 2nd rd 2018). I don't think they have finished the last rebuild, let alone start a new one. Of course, right now, you can say that all these draft choices (except for Byfield) are busts.

Blake admits he effed up on acquiring Dubois, is owning up to it and moving on. Doesn't look like it will cost him his job in the immediate future, but he would definitely be on the hotseat if the Kings get off to a slow start.
- LAHawk

Assuming you meant a red font there. I know here if you don't score a goal in your first 5 mins you're considered a bust, but realistically, you don't expect a draft, who isn't a top 10 pick to make any kind of impact for 3 to 4 years after the draft.

I just keep watching Forsling and thinking about the rushing of players.

At the start of Hawks dynasty, of course there was Toews and Kane but:


Bickell drafted in 04 played 3 games in 07, 4 in '08, 16 in '09, 78 in 10.

Brouwer drafted in 04, played 10 games in 06, 2 games in 07, and 69 games in 08

Versteeg drafted in 04, played 13 games in 07, 78 in 08

Hjarlmarsson drafted in 05, played 13 games in 07, 21 games in 08, 77 in 09

Big Buff, Jake Dowell, Colin Fraser, Adam Burish, Skille, Crawford all about the same.

Assuming you meant a red font there. I know here if you don't score a goal in your first 5 mins you're considered a bust, but realistically, you don't expect a draft, who isn't a top 10 pick to make any kind of impact for 3 to 4 years after the draft.

I just keep watching Forsling and thinking about the rushing of players.

At the start of Hawks dynasty, of course there was Toews and Kane but:


Bickell drafted in 04 played 3 games in 07, 4 in '08, 16 in '09, 78 in 10.

Brouwer drafted in 04, played 10 games in 06, 2 games in 07, and 69 games in 08

Versteeg drafted in 04, played 13 games in 07, 78 in 08

Hjarlmarsson drafted in 05, played 13 games in 07, 21 games in 08, 77 in 09

Big Buff, Jake Dowell, Colin Fraser, Adam Burish, Skille, Crawford all about the same.
- vabeachbear

Big red font.

What if you believe the same player is available at one or two spots later? Or you are torn between Leshnokov and Silayev (the two Russian dmen!)

Not rushing around for a Russian? Do you say Nyat (Russian for “No”). Could we extract even through a third team moving up an 18th for _____ pick. Could mean we get someone like fast riser like Seneca (whatever his name) or gasp Eiserman?
- jhawk59

For the record, Leshunov is not a Russian, he is from Belarus, is here already. No Russian factor to debate.

If you think about it, me being Italian (half anyway) Bela (Bella) Russian, guess that makes him the good Russian

Big red font.
- LAHawk

You know i've debated rebuild strategy with you, but i gotta say, really impressed with what Blake just did by quickly admitting his mistake and getting out of the situation.(still can't understand what Caps were thinking)

You do have to try and once in a while go for it. Getting wrong is going to happen, not having it set you back 5 years is to be applauded.

You know i've debated rebuild strategy with you, but i gotta say, really impressed with what Blake just did by quickly admitting his mistake and getting out of the situation.(still can't understand what Caps were thinking)

You do have to try and once in a while go for it. Getting wrong is going to happen, not having it set you back 5 years is to be applauded.
- vabeachbear

The trick is for Davidson not to make these kind of mistakes. There was some talk about signing Guentzel to a seven year deal, there’s no chance that kind of term ends well. I’d be wary of a proposed Necas trade too. As enticing as having him in the lineup, especially factoring in his age, he’s already distinguished himself as a malcontent. What happens if the Hawks acquire him and Demidov, Nazar, Moore or whomever climb the ranks ahead of him? My guess is he’ll be looking to be moved again. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see Necas lining up beside Bedard, I’m just saying think about two or three moves and potential scenarios down the road before making big moves that can tie up a GMs hands going forward.

Is it possible for KD to use their #18 this draft and Toronto’s number one pick next draft to move up into the top 10 a week Friday? If so the possible draft scenarios will keep this board up the next 190 plus hours.
- paulr

While there are a lot of prospects we can be excited to draft, after much analysis on this board alone I am ready to go with my final thoughts on who we select

At #2 overall I hope we can move down one or two spots and still draft the same player. I roll the dice and take the Russian Saliyev instead of the Belarusian dman

I am hopeful that the 18th plus the consideration to drop down a couple spots from #2 overall can be put in a deal for # 10 -12 range. After wandering away from my original choice at #2 earlier this year, I have returned to the idea how putting premier players around Eiserman means goals. Additional thought here is that Eiserman could be a durable forward with some compete and an amount of physical play is no problem for him. Good match to play with Bedard or Nazar although Eiserman will need to become descent defensively

Read this that Ross Colton from Colorado might be available any interest

I do believe one if not both, the Blackhawks will target Stamkos and or Marchessault during free agency.
- BetweenTheDots

Utah is supposed to be after Marchessault.

Read this that Ross Colton from Colorado might be available any interest
- Scott1977

His play was so “inspiring”, Colorado ended up trading Byram for Middlestat to plug the hole Colton was supposed to fill.

The Kings still haven't fully integrated the 2020 2nd overall, the 2021 8th overall, and the 2019 5th overall into their roster. Plus they will probably promote from the AHL Fagemo (2nd rd 2019), Thomas 2nd rd 2018). I don't think they have finished the last rebuild, let alone start a new one. Of course, right now, you can say that all these draft choices (except for Byfield) are busts.

Blake admits he effed up on acquiring Dubois, is owning up to it and moving on. Doesn't look like it will cost him his job in the immediate future, but he would definitely be on the hotseat if the Kings get off to a slow start.
- LAHawk

You know what's really neat for me is, the Blackhawks have Bedard 1oa, Korchinski 7oa and looks like Nazar 13 oa playing the upcoming season. You mention 5 players over 4 years for LA, Blackhawks will have 7 guys marinating in the system or in college or over seas the past 2 years and that's not even considering the guys 3rd round or later. This year 2nd oa, 3 other picks in the top 50. So that'll be at least 10 guys marinating maybe 11. Over 3 years it's so crazy.

It could mean a forward at #2. and they want a defenseman also
- LFS

Yeah, cause they know KK isn't going to pan out.

Why trade for a guy who is going to miss pretty much half the time he has on his contract? And isn't all that good to begin with plus having to move assets for him.

The deal you didn't mention is the type you want to see him making, where San Jose trades a 2025 4th and gets a 23 yr old LW in Ty Dellandrea.

I am not advocsting TY as the youngster we should target, but as the type of trade he is looking for.

Boy, the Kings over-reacted to error and took the on the decline Kuemper and gifted them with a young centre Dubois who crapped the bed while making milliosn, BUT he can improve.

Kyle didn't have the 1st pick if he even desired Goodrow, and Dubois is cost prohitive as the Blackhawks have to pay their "improved nucleus" in 2027.

Personally don't see a poor season as a bad consolation (already!) because i love the top seven picks going next year.

https://www.lines.com/nhl/drafts/2025
- wiz1901

PLD has crapped the bed everywhere he has been. He has been in the league for 8 seasons. He is what he is, a 40-60 point guy depending how often his GAF meter is on that season.

Hossa remade his game later in his career.
- rpeters01

Yeah, they are nothing alike. At all. Hossa averaged 30+ goals his 1st 9 seasons.

He always GAF but became more of a two way player in his career. Effort was never questioned with Hossa that I can recall.

His play was so “inspiring”, Colorado ended up trading Byram for Middlestat to plug the hole Colton was supposed to fill.
- LAHawk

In a bottom 6 role if the Avs want to retain some salary but 4M AAV? yeesh

In a bottom 6 role if the Avs want to retain some salary but 4M AAV? yeesh
- Elbows15

I think the Hawks have enough $4
Mil. AAV bottom 6 forwards already on the roster

Flyers trying to move up in the 1st round? Cost of winning when you should be rebuilding.

Flyers trying to move up in the 1st round? Cost of winning when you should be rebuilding.
- BetweenTheDots

What the Flyers did shouldn’t be mocked, it should be applauded. That’s called integrity. Intentionally breaking down the team of all talent, while giving a team a great chance at the top draft picks isn’t very ethical. And yes the rules are there to be exploited, so what Chicago did wasn’t against the rules but you can understand why fans of other teams despise what Davidson did, as we would had another team did it. Even though the Hawks should benefit from Davidson’s strategy I’d like to see the NHL implement a rule where if it is obvious the team is trying to tank in anyway, be it by moving out all the team’s talent or coaching or playing to tank, which BTW I’ve never seen, then that team forfeits their first round pick that year.

What the Flyers did shouldn’t be mocked, it should be applauded. That’s called integrity. Intentionally breaking down the team of all talent, while giving a team a great chance at the top draft picks isn’t very ethical. And yes the rules are there to be exploited, so what Chicago did wasn’t against the rules but you can understand why fans of other teams despise what Davidson did, as we would had another team did it. Even though the Hawks should benefit from Davidson’s strategy I’d like to see the NHL implement a rule where if it is obvious the team is trying to tank in anyway, be it by moving out all the team’s talent or coaching or playing to tank, which BTW I’ve never seen, then that team forfeits their first round pick that year.
- paulr

It's the cost of being a pretender. I don't make the rules and KD was shrewd in what he did, some would call him a good business man.

It's the cost of being a pretender. I don't make the rules and KD was shrewd in what he did, some would call him a good business man.
- BetweenTheDots

Loopholes aside, you don’t believe what Chicago did was ethical, do you?

Flyers trying to move up in the 1st round? Cost of winning when you should be rebuilding.
- BetweenTheDots

Since Jones/Briere took over, show me one example of a trade/move that was other than a team rebuilding.

I think the Hawks have enough $4
Mil. AAV bottom 6 forwards already on the roster
- LAHawk

While I don't disagree, he would be an upgrade over the likes of Anderson, the johnsons, Blackwell and Entwistle in that role. He can kill penalties, halfway decent on FOs and does score enough to not be massively overpaid.

That said, I wouldn't be giving more than a future 3rd or 4th rd pick for him.

The Avs have 16M in space and need to sign at least 8 players. Plus, their prospect pool isn't exactly brimming with players they can use to fill some spots if they want to be contenders.

It does get better for them if Landeskog can't come back and given my experience with the guy who did his surgery, odds are he won't or not for long.

Flyers trying to move up in the 1st round? Cost of winning when you should be rebuilding.
- BetweenTheDots

Since Jones/Briere took over, show me one example of a trade/move that was other than a team rebuilding.

Shame on the players/coach for exceeding expectations

Loopholes aside, you don’t believe what Chicago did was ethical, do you?
- paulr

Ethically speaking, so you think what he did was wrong?

I think he did what was best for the franchise. You had a broken Toews, bad hip Kane, no defenseman to speak of, we finished 6th worst in the league the year before, so it's not far fetched to end up with the 3rd worst record in the league the following year because you traded Hagel for 2 firsts, Cat for the 6th oa, Dach for the 13th oa?

I guess some don't really understand how bad we really were, and he started with a clean slate.

He did what was best for the franchise and I'm happy he did.