Playing by the rules is integrity.
- LFS

The lack of integrity is in the rules, or lack of them. KD had a loophole open and took advantage of it, as he should have. I’ve read lots of posters expressing outrage over other teams taking advantage of loopholes in various rules. All I’m saying is make it so tanking isn’t advantageous. And while they’re at it close the loophole that allows teams to go over the cap in the playoffs.

What happenned to bpa?
- LFS

BPA according to who? BPA is determined by each team is it not?

BPA according to who? BPA is determined by each team is it not?
- paulr

No, BPA is determined by the website with the most clips of the player scoring goals. That is why a goalie is never BPA - even though they could be.

Hope youre wrong. Best chance to get a stud to play with bedard.
- LFS

I'll take Ivan Demidov for $200, Alex.

Saw today that lindstrum said the disc is pressing on a nerve and he.has pain down his leg. Hes 18! Not gonna get better playing 82 games of hockey.
- LFS

Where did you read/hear this?

I too am ok with Demidobust at #2.

There you go, now that wasn’t so difficult, was it? Personally I try to apply integrity to every situation whether it benefits me or not. And while I’m excited about the rebuild and all its possibilities, I don’t like how KD went about doing it. And as I said I’d like to see that loophole closed to protect the integrity of the game.
- paulr

Anytime a team trades an expiring contract for picks/prospects at the deadline, they are likely worsening their team at that present moment. At what point does it become an abuse of the system? Rent-a-player in exchange for futures is part of the landscape of any major sports league.

Furthermore, by how much did the Hawks increase their chances of drafting Bedard? And what does this team look like at season's end had they adhered to your definition of integrity for this situation?

True, then there should be no whining about the use by certain teams (the Hawks did it too) about how teams manipulate the cap regarding LTIR, AND that there is no salary cap in the playoffs.
- LAHawk

We agree. Those are the rules that are set in place. Hawks used the same LTIR exception to get Vermette with Kane. I didn't female dog about that then, so i don't female dog about it now when teams use it as a regular way of business.

What is the point of having rules if you don't follow them, good or bad?

I swear the debates these days.................bring on the draft

BPA according to who? BPA is determined by each team is it not?
- paulr

No, it is determined by the loudest and most frequent poster here.

Lets start tracking that over the next week so see who that is.

I'm on the Demidov train since i wasn't allowed to draft the non skating head case Eiserman

Integrity to me was LR getting the team to play their asses off and do things like knock Pitt out of the playoffs on the 2nd to last game of the season and cost themselves the top 2 chances to draft Bedard.

Regardless of who was traded, they always played hard. Others, like Columbus didn't.

Every team sooner or later has to rebuild. Playing hard regardless to me show tons of integrity and respect for the gams.

I agree with VaBeachBear, that the coaching staff never let them quit and that was the Penguin upset during the tank looked full of integrity.

Musings
I heard a hot one that Ottawa wants a second top ten pick to acquire one of the right shot defensemen and offered both their later first rounder and Chychrun.

The trade by Chicago with the Isle effectively hopped over Vegas’ pick at #19.

I don’t think that was a tactic, but you have to wonder, with all their contracts, if Vegas is fluid with a flushing, and if the hawks like any veterans that might be available their for a drop to #19.

I looked at that Pronman list and the difference in his board than mine is there is a large influx of Swedish players that I ma sure both he and I have seen very little of. Almost like he got a list from a scout there.

The long shot offer sheet on Necas.
First, the Guy has got to want to play with your group and SIGN the offer sheet.
Second the tam making the offer has to HAVE MORE than the required draft picks…they have to have their OWN picks. (Remember when Stanley did Burke a favor by returning I think second rounder for another year’s second pick rounder, when he THOUGHT he was going to have to offer sheet Kessel?)

Even though this isn’t the greatest draft and the teams in the 2nd half of the first will be looking at less depth, so many of those teams are in need of adding defenseman prospects.
So, IF, teams start going off from the standardized mocks and take defenseman in that late third of the first, it looks to me like a couple nice options of first round possible wingers drop to #34.

I am not sure if KD drafts who I think he will.
Like all of you!

I'll take Ivan Demidov for $200, Alex.
- MartiniMan

"Who is the Chicago Blackhawks first round draft choice with the #2 pick in 2024?"

The lack of integrity is in the rules, or lack of them. KD had a loophole open and took advantage of it, as he should have. I’ve read lots of posters expressing outrage over other teams taking advantage of loopholes in various rules. All I’m saying is make it so tanking isn’t advantageous. And while they’re at it close the loophole that allows teams to go over the cap in the playoffs.
- paulr

As well as the loophole that allows Supreme Court justices to take bribes. Meanwhile, we're only taking about a game.

I found this analysis interesting grading teams draft performance vs draft position from 2006-2020

https://medium.com/@Spike...-team-grades-f0574be153c6

Of course it shows except for Kane and Toews, the Hawks record of drafting from 2006-2020 was rather substandard.

Also shows that the best draft eligible's on draft day do not necessarily become the best pro's.

I certainly don't think there was anything unethical to what KD did/is doing. He didn't lie to anyone, was very honest with the fan base.

I would argue most fans were in agreement with the direction. Not all, you can see that here just on this board, but i would say the vast majority would agree with the direction.

To answer your personal challenge if any of us who agree with the direction have any integrity; In my eyes, I've always felt i have tons of integrity, in business, family, and how i treat others. i guess you would have to interview others to get an unbiased opinion.
- vabeachbear

Yea this debate sucks just because someone feels what the Blackhawks did was unethical, he thinks everyone else should feel the same way.

I'll also add, i think I'm a pretty stand up guy myself, i only raised my nephew and nieces 8, 11 and 12 years old because my sister lost her way. Didn't ask the gov for any help other than claiming them on my taxes and providing for them as i did for my own children.

As well as the loophole that allows Supreme Court justices to take bribes. Meanwhile, we're only taking about a game.
- rpeters01

Wow!

Well played.

Just like this madmen's re-ascension to President, where he uinstantltly will squah his trials.
Just remember this last trial was squashed by him via his Department of Justice as a federal case. The DoJ cannot directly stop the State Level.

Or threathening the people who tried you case...

Scary to think Benito Mussolini is right there close to re-entering the White House.

The lack of integrity is in the rules, or lack of them. KD had a loophole open and took advantage of it, as he should have. I’ve read lots of posters expressing outrage over other teams taking advantage of loopholes in various rules. All I’m saying is make it so tanking isn’t advantageous. And while they’re at it close the loophole that allows teams to go over the cap in the playoffs.
- paulr

To take away tanking, you will have to fix the slot for all future draft picks. You only get #1 OA in your assigned year (unless you trade for it). Lots of ways to do this and I can't think of a scenario where anyone would tank. The league would lose some fan interest in the off season though, maybe that's why they stick with the lottery system.

You all know how I love arguing with Pronman’s “opinions” so I looked over his skaters list, so
John Mustard is faster than anyone,
Jett Luchanko, is one.
Trevor Connelly, when he carries, is the most elusive prospect period.
Zeev Buium is a far better skater than the guys he listed.
Lucas Petterson
Cole Huston (how U think he gets it done?)
Tig Iginla…how is he not on this list?
I would not be disappointed if he was a hawk b/c his skating with the puck with his balance in traffic and East-West work on his edges is exceptional.
Ian Demidov - yup I wrote it.
Despite my issues with his inability to use his right skate’s outside edges, he uses that superb lateral jump cut and East-West motions to leave defenders “flat-skated” unable to follow.

And Corey took his real nerd photo off the Athletic, replacing it with his hip beard look…lipstick on a pig and all that…

To take away tanking, you will have to fix the slot for all future draft picks. You only get #1 OA in your assigned year (unless you trade for it). Lots of ways to do this and I can't think of a scenario where anyone would tank. The league would lose some fan interest in the off season though, maybe that's why they stick with the lottery system.
- totem

I always liked the proposed for the NBA years ago, The Wheel plan, where at the end of this season an upcoming season where an expansion team is being added, you assign every team YEAR where they pick first. You know that you have it again in 2033, but you have an advance time to plan up to YOUR year.

The next year you select closer to the back and you move itemrittantly until your team slects in all 32 slots, all assigned in advance.

If you are tarding for two Tampa Bay future number ones, you know where they are in advance.
You know which picks you feel are better times to trade them.

Forgett the standings, whose crappy team strung together end of the season wins after elimination, etc. -NO hard feeelings from losing Bedard to the Blackhawks.

The only way this hurts a franchise is if their Gm gets snookered on his first in a year he thinks their pick is superstar and they still traded it.

Whatya all thinK?

https://www.blazersedge.c...em-portland-trail-blazers

https://www.cbssports.com...oncept-revised-revisited/

I think they draft Levshunov with the second and possibly Michael Hage with the 18th. I would love to see them draft Freij and Tanner Howe. Could you image a line with Howe and Savoi?

I think they draft Levshunov with the second and possibly Michael Hage with the 18th. I would love to see them draft Freij and Tanner Howe. Could you image a line with Howe and Savoi?
- bjphawkfan

I am worried that age may e taken but me too.

a few nice options if he is taken.

"Who is the Chicago Blackhawks first round draft choice with the #2 pick in 2024?"
- rpeters01

Demidov Hage at 18 if they don't trade it to get necas ej emery at 34 and 50 is traded in some kind of package deal for something else. Imo

Integrity to me was LR getting the team to play their asses off and do things like knock Pitt out of the playoffs on the 2nd to last game of the season and cost themselves the top 2 chances to draft Bedard.

Regardless of who was traded, they always played hard. Others, like Columbus didn't.

Every team sooner or later has to rebuild. Playing hard regardless to me show tons of integrity and respect for the gams.
- vabeachbear

I agree that the team played hard, that wasn’t and isn’t my point. My point isn’t directed at KD, he took advantage of the situation, as he should. My point is the rule that encourages a team to intentionally lose games hurts the integrity of league and the sport. No team should be rewarded for intentionally losing. If there’s no reward to being the, or one of the, worst teams then teams would have no reason to tank.

I always liked the proposed for the NBA years ago, The Wheel plan, where at the end of this season an upcoming season where an expansion team is being added, you assign every team YEAR where they pick first. You know that you have it again in 2033, but you have an advance time to plan up to YOUR year.

The next year you select closer to the back and you move itemrittantly until your team slects in all 32 slots, all assigned in advance.

If you are tarding for two Tampa Bay future number ones, you know where they are in advance.
You know which picks you feel are better times to trade them.

Forgett the standings, whose crappy team strung together end of the season wins after elimination, etc. -NO hard feeelings from losing Bedard to the Blackhawks.

The only way this hurts a franchise is if their Gm gets snookered on his first in a year he thinks their pick is superstar and they still traded it.

Whatya all thinK?

https://www.blazersedge.c...em-portland-trail-blazers

https://www.cbssports.com...oncept-revised-revisited/
- wiz1901

I like both of those concepts in the link, especially the second. If they went by divisions - Central get #1-#8 one year, Metro gets #1-#8 second year and so on in rotation, that ensures each team a top 8 once ever 4 years, a top 4 every 8 years, etc. As the NHL has the single year draft, players wouldn't be able to do much to manipulate their eligibility.

Don't see the problem of a "permanent underclass" of teams that was mentioned in the articles, Boston Bruins have only had 2 top 5 picks since 1998 and they seem to do OK.

I agree that the team played hard, that wasn’t and isn’t my point. My point isn’t directed at KD, he took advantage of the situation, as he should. My point is the rule that encourages a team to intentionally lose games hurts the integrity of league and the sport. No team should be rewarded for intentionally losing. If there’s no reward to being the, or one of the, worst teams then teams would have no reason to tank.
- paulr

Then i guess you can't make trades either, because they did trade their good players for draft picks. So no team can actively get better via trade. Unless it's approved by you.