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wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 19 @ 11:07 AM ET
There are teams like SJ scratching to hit the cap floor. They won’t care about his cap hit if the flyers eat some and send a late round pick as well.

They should not buyout Atkinson. Why not give him a chance to redeem himself and fight for a bottom 6 role? If the players in the organization believe the flyers “aren’t doing right” by the player because he gets sent to the AHL, then oh well. Like the constant pandering to the players in this organization has done them a world of good over the last 40 years anyway?

- Just5


that should be worse case, give him a chance, tell him if he does not do well then he needs to be open to what comes next.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 19 @ 11:10 AM ET
John Tortorella is an organizational cancer, the sooner he's gone, the better.
- Dave21Brown

Agreed and think he will be gone by Xmas once they are already out of the POs by then and the players are openly revolting against him.
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jun 19 @ 11:16 AM ET
Waivers are a required step before a buyout.

If the Flyers were to BO Cam they'd have to put him on waivers as well.

- Tomahawk

Yes but also can be used Circumvent to circumvent a players NTC...if SJ wants Goodrow, as reported, and he wont accept a trade there Rangers waive him and SJ claims him.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Jun 19 @ 11:18 AM ET
Rumor is Slavin is about to extend in CAR for 8 yrs. The days of extending players for anything less then 8 years seems gone. TK is getting 8 yrs if re signed- no way around it.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 19 @ 11:40 AM ET
Rumor is Slavin is about to extend in CAR for 8 yrs. The days of extending players for anything less then 8 years seems gone. TK is getting 8 yrs if re signed- no way around it.
- Trox88

No thank you.
Nivcheret
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.04.2019

Jun 19 @ 11:54 AM ET
Are the Flyers looking to re-sign Erik Johnson? Please tell me this is BS. So much for the proper rebuild..
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 19 @ 12:04 PM ET
Markstrom traded to NJ
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 19 @ 12:04 PM ET
From the A

Philadelphia Flyers fans have met the new boss. Some are still trying to figure out if he’s the same as the old boss(es).

It’s been a little more than a year since general manager Daniel Briere took over. The early returns are generally positive for the 46-year-old. His first major decision, trading Ivan Provorov to the Blue Jackets in a three-team deal, was a home run. Key young players made progress. More draft picks have been stockpiled. A promising Russian goalie, thought to be lost, was found. Attendance improved.

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It hasn’t been all sunshine and lollipops, of course. The Flyers were forced into trading one of their top prospects, Cutter Gauthier, in a deal that could end up biting them. The John Tortorella-Sean Couturier miscommunication wasn’t a good look for anyone, nor was the eight-game losing streak in late March/early April that ultimately cost the Flyers a playoff spot.

But as disappointing as that late collapse on the ice was for the organization and the players, making the playoffs isn’t a priority yet for Briere, president of hockey operations Keith Jones or chairman Dan Hilferty. They’ve all offered reminders of that in recent weeks.

Yet some corners of the fan base are already bemoaning the direction of the team, despite some of the encouraging steps it took throughout the 2023-24 season. I never like to put too much stock into what’s posted on social media, as those are often loud, and, in many cases, misinformed attention-seekers. But between posts on X and other outlets — including our own comments section — one opinion that seems to be gaining steam is that the Briere Flyers are just the same old Flyers they were under previous administrations, which all have failed to win a Stanley Cup for a half-century now. That is, handing out long-term deals to players who are at or nearly past their prime, and signing aging veterans that block the paths of younger players.

At least right now, that notion is misguided.

Listen, this isn’t to say that the Flyers are undoubtedly on the right path, one that ultimately will lead to a parade down Broad Street. Briere and everyone else has a ton of work ahead of them to make this team a Stanley Cup contender. They’ve admitted it. This thing can still go any number of directions. For all the progress that was made this season, there were still some mistakes.

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But being overly critical now, considering how much of a mess things were when Briere took over, seems senseless — particularly when it’s been reinforced by Briere’s bosses that the timeline to compete is still at least two years away.

There are two moves likely coming that seem to have drawn the bulk of the ire. Briere has strongly indicated that he’d like to lock up Travis Konecny to a long-term extension, keeping the feisty winger in orange and black for the rest of his career. He’s also interested in re-signing veteran defenseman Erik Johnson. A league source told The Athletic on Monday that Johnson, too, is interested in returning. A cheap one-year extension here could be inevitable.

We’ve already touched on Konecny. His value to the team extends beyond his scoring 64 combined goals over the last two seasons, in which he’s also been the team’s top point-producer. He was named as an alternate captain in February for a reason.

As for Johnson, he would simply be filling the role that Marc Staal played in 2023-24: an experienced defenseman who been through it all and can help guide some of the younger players through their early-career trials and tribulations.

Tortorella would almost certainly welcome back Johnson because of the value he places on having those kinds of players in the dressing room that others can lean on. When asked about Staal last October, for example, he said: “We most of the time foul things up as coaches when we over-coach. … I just think when you start having players going to veteran guys asking the questions and leaning on them, that’s really healthy for a locker room.”

In other words, Johnson would help to keep the Flyers’ room a cohesive and productive place, something that Briere prioritized as soon as he took over, as evidenced by his wasting no time in dealing Provorov — who reminded everyone why the Flyers needed to cut ties with him just moments before the season-opener in Columbus last October.

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I know that sometimes in this era of numbers, stats, spreadsheets and Moneypuck that selling fans and some bloggers on culture isn’t always easy. I get it. There’s so much information online available to comb through that helps form strong opinions.

But I’ve seen first-hand, from talking to players, coaches and management, how much a team’s culture can impact what happens on the ice. I watched as the San Jose Sharks failed to value a guy like Joe Pavelski, whose departure to Dallas as a free agent both helped the Stars become perennial contenders and launched the Sharks into obscurity. Just read some of the reactions to Pavelski’s planned retirement from many of his Dallas teammates if you’re wondering the kind of off-ice impact he had on that club that made it past the second round in three of the five seasons he was there.

The whole culture issue also reminded me of something I wrote three years ago. At the time, the Sharks were trying to fix their broken, Pavelski-less dressing room, and one of the books that then-coach Bob Boughner read in the offseason was by Bay Area-based sportswriter Joan Ryan. That book, “Intangibles,” delved into those facets of various sports that can’t be measured by numbers but can be essential to success.

There was hardly any hockey among the pages, as Ryan never covered that particular sport on a daily basis. But as she told me, after she spoke at MIT at a sports analytics conference (of all places), among those that approached her afterward, “at least 60 percent” were hockey people.

There’s a reason for that. Ned Colletti, who took the unique career path of former Flyers beat writer to Los Angeles Dodgers general manager to Sharks pro scout, said: “In my opinion, hockey has an opportunity for a tighter culture. None of it’s easy, but I think hockey can get there somewhat easier than baseball can.”

In the Flyers’ case, Konecny and Johnson have already been labeled as good culture guys by Briere. Ditto for Nick Seeler, whom the team re-signed to a four-year extension in March. The last thing Briere probably wants to do at this stage of the rebuild is risk undoing all the steps that have been taken in regard to the culture so far. That’s surely going to be reflected in the moves to come.

There’s another part of what seems to be the Briere philosophy that would be reflected in a Johnson extension. That is, if young players are going to break through to the NHL, they’re going to have to truly earn it.

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Young defenseman Egor Zamula took steps and showed he could be an everyday player, but he had to do it by outplaying Staal, who just one year earlier was a key piece on a Florida Panthers team that nearly won the Stanley Cup.

Promising forward Tyson Foerster was a healthy scratch for the season opener. But months later, it was Foerster getting time on the top power-play unit and in the top six, ahead of guys such as Cam Atkinson. Foerster was arguably the league’s best two-way rookie forward this season.

When Atkinson had a brief stretch of success in January, it was rookie Bobby Brink who came out. Brink got some valuable time in the AHL, and when he came back, he promptly scored goals in back-to-back games. Brink surely has a better idea this offseason of what it takes to play in the NHL every night.

One way to derail a rebuild is to hand young players jobs without them earning it first. One former general manager once equated it to me as “organizational suicide.” Teams such as the Buffalo Sabres, to take the most glaring example, have surely realized that by now. Guys such as Staal, Johnson and Seeler offer a reminder to the players in the system that if you want to play in the NHL, there is a certain level you have to reach first. If you don’t, or you can’t, in the AHL you’ll stay.

And it’s not like Seeler or Johnson is blocking anyone in the immediate future, anyway. The two most important defensemen in the organization right now are Cam York, 23, and Jamie Drysdale, 22, both of whom are likely to start in the top four on opening night. Having veteran defensemen on the bench and in the dressing room likely will be beneficial to a couple of players that the organization hopes are vital pieces of the team when it plans on contending again.

It’s all part of what seems to be Briere’s big-picture vision. It’s been formed after years of playing and then working at different levels. It may or may not work. But it’s still vitally important to consider with each move that he makes, minor or otherwise, as the so-called rebuild continues.


everyhting is fine, stop female doging.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jun 19 @ 12:09 PM ET
There are teams like SJ scratching to hit the cap floor. They won’t care about his cap hit if the flyers eat some and send a late round pick as well.

They should not buyout Atkinson. Why not give him a chance to redeem himself and fight for a bottom 6 role? If the players in the organization believe the flyers “aren’t doing right” by the player because he gets sent to the AHL, then oh well. Like the constant pandering to the players in this organization has done them a world of good over the last 40 years anyway?

- Just5



Atkinson feels like he has more to offer and play. Would he be willing to go to a bad team or a team closer to making a playoff run?

Would a playoff team give something decent up for a player who may be washed up?
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 19 @ 12:10 PM ET
I'm sure they're not, but, outwardly the Flyers appear to be directionless. They don't know if they should be competitive, or rebuild, or both at the same time.
- Dave21Brown


Interesting. We all saw the Flyers as a rudderless ship prior to the new regime. We were told REBUILD. The Flyers had a competitive first 68 games then collapsed. Retained a veteran. Traded a veteran. Yo-yo’d some young players. Traded for an old veteran by giving up a draft pick. Lost their starting goalie due to circumstances beyond their control. Lost their #5 pick overall for reasons really unknown. Played hide and seek with injuries and surgeries. Benched their injured captain. Come on, Man! This seems like a coherent and cohesive plan and it is u folding just as GMDB has foreseen. Ugh.

The rubber is gonna hit the road in the next 2 weeks and we will finally see what’s what with the “plan”.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jun 19 @ 12:10 PM ET
I get that San Jose isn't in a competitive window, neither are the Flyers, so why wouldn't anyone want to play there? I guess if you've never won anything and your career is winding down, you want to be in a winning situation.....never mind, I answered my own question.
- Dave21Brown



California taxes would eat up a lot of his salary
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 19 @ 12:13 PM ET
If CA won't accept a trade, just keep him on the roster. Play him, scratch him, whatever. But he's off the books either way at the end of the year. Sending him to LHV might be a bad look but I don't really care. He'd be going there because his play has declined a lot at his age. Whether he likes it or not isn't really a concern. Besides, any player that would not consider coming to Philly because they send aging vets who can no longer play up to the NHL level to the AHL is probably a player that's an aging vet that the Flyers have no business signing anyway. In my mind, that's a positive!
- Letterkenney


I agree with this. I understand where Bill is coming from. I think any team should “try” and do right by a good soldier. But it can’t be at the detriment of the team. Obviously if the player didn’t like it he could agree to a mutual termination…if he felt that strongly about it…but there’s no reason the player would want to take that route…not at that much $…
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 19 @ 12:13 PM ET
Markstrom traded to NJ
- MBFlyerfan


My guess for return package

Jake Allen
Alexander Holtz
#10

Calgary may have added something on their side.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 19 @ 12:13 PM ET
Devils got their Goalie….Markstrom…so it begins.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Jun 19 @ 12:16 PM ET
Devils got their Goalie….Markstrom…so it begins.
- landros 2


Finally, let the offseason begin
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 19 @ 12:19 PM ET
Markstrom traded to NJ
- MBFlyerfan

The deal that should have happened at the deadline. This was always happening.
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jun 19 @ 12:19 PM ET
Devils got their Goalie….Markstrom…so it begins.
- landros 2

That makes NJ a contender
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 19 @ 12:27 PM ET
If NJ, Ottawa and Columbus improve from last season......

The Flyers HAVE TO bottom out and get that top 5 pick (a chance at a lottery pick). If they don't figure out they need that franchise player (I lean more towards center) in next year's draft or maybe the following to get someone like Gavin McKenna they are going to be (frank)ED for the next 10 years.

Michkov is great to have, but they are going no where without that top line that performs every single night. Depth is great when you have that top line, but means nothing when you have to go by committee.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Jun 19 @ 12:31 PM ET
CAL gets Bahl and '25 1st rd pick. The trend continues that top 10 picks do not get moved.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 19 @ 12:33 PM ET
CAL gets Bahl and '25 1st rd pick. The trend continues that top 10 picks do not get moved.
- Trox88


That's it?
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 19 @ 12:40 PM ET
That's it?
- Glak18


Yeah seems a bit underwhelming and makes one wonder why it took so long for THAT deal to get done.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Jun 19 @ 12:41 PM ET
That's it?
- Glak18


https://x.com/PierreVLeBr.../1803465764378235063?s=19

Even worse, 1st rd pick top 10 protected. CAL retains 31% of Markstrom's salary.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 19 @ 12:42 PM ET
What’s a trade for
TK and Hathaway look like.

11,Kulich, Ryan Johnson.

- ImThatGuy


Once again for the Flyers that's a no brainer. I'd rather have Östlund over Kulich, but I would still take it in a heartbeat. I don't know if Johnson will ever become an NHL defenseman, but in this deal I would give him the change of scenery.

You should be the GM of the Sabres, I like your proposals
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 19 @ 12:43 PM ET
That's it?
- Glak18

Almost. Calgary is holding just under a third of his cap hit.

He’s gonna be a very manageable $4.125 hit against Jersey through ‘26.

He’s 34 at least so who knows what he’s got left. The last two seasons have left a lot to be desired, but goalies are a crapshoot from year to year.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 19 @ 12:43 PM ET
Devils got their Goalie….Markstrom…so it begins.
- landros 2

they now have a good 1/2 punch. Allen will be able to let them rest markstrom and not overuse him.
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