Yeah - they probably don't win the Cup in '94 if their trade had gone through. That's the ironic part of the whole thing - we trade Forsberg to QUE/COL, enabling them to win the Cup, and we block NYR from gutting their team, and so they win it as well.

The Flyers did get to the semis once the finals once with Lindros (not counting 2000 because they won most of the games they did with 88 out injured), but to not win when the other two teams involved did is pretty bitter tasting.
- copelal

Acquiring Patrick Roy kind of helped the Avs. 😀

To be fair, and this is not to justify Lappy's re-signing, the Phantom teams lack more than the Flyers.

Compared to the final four in the Calder Cup, all the teams have legit NHL prospects or 1st rounders playing for them. Would the team be better if the Phantoms had Michkov and Bonk playing for them?
- Glak18

The Phantoms had Brink, York and Foerster playing for them in 22-23 and were still mediocre.

The top 6 scorers on the rival Hershey Bears (who are in the AHL Finals) are all AHL vets except for Dube, who is 23 and only played 3 NHL games.

https://theahl.com/stats/...=standard&page=1&league=4

Both players Lindros and Forsberg were dominant players and both were plagued with injuries. Has a one ever heard if Lindros and Scott Stevens have any ill will towards each other? I never remember reading any stories on what fueled the Stevens and Lindros rivalry ( other than two top dogs competing) or if they ever talked to reconcile the rivalry.

I’d love to know if anyone heard or remembers any stories!
- Hosher12

I think that’s all it was between the two. Stevens and Tocchett would go pretty hard at each other too. It’s just how they played. However, the night Stevens took out Lindros for his last game as a Flyer, I wanted to say I was 17, just about to graduate high school. I took my girlfriend to the movies with a group of friends (I wanna say the movie was Road Trip). I remember rushing home to watch the game. It was about half way through and Lindros was missing. Than we got the replay after reply of the hit. Getting to my point. I think Lindros took that hit personally because I don’t know about you but I watched Lindros as a Ranger going after Stevens the first time the Rangers and Devils played each other.

I always wonder if Stevens would be as successful in today's game. Or would he be a walking suspension. So many of his hits would be long term suspensions in today's game. If you took away that part of his game would he have been as good?
- MBFlyerfan

He was so smart he could have easily adapted.

Probably would be walking the same tightrope as Trouba.

Acquiring Patrick Roy kind of helped the Avs. 😀
- Trox88

Very true. The question is, would the Avs have won the Cup without Forsberg in '96?

Yeah - they probably don't win the Cup in '94 if their trade had gone through. That's the ironic part of the whole thing - we trade Forsberg to QUE/COL, enabling them to win the Cup, and we block NYR from gutting their team, and so they win it as well.

The Flyers did get to the semis once the finals once with Lindros (not counting 2000 because they won most of the games they did with 88 out injured), but to not win when the other two teams involved did is pretty bitter tasting.
- copelal

100%.

And how utterly invisible #88 was in the '97 Finals is still unforgivable to this day.

100%.

And how utterly invisible #88 was in the '97 Finals is still unforgivable to this day.
- Tomahawk

Yeah, Detroit had the perfect game plan.

Flyers should have waived Atkinson. Reports are SJ was interested in him but he wouldn't waive to be traded to SJ so they took Goodrow off waivers who also refused to be traded to SJ
- hfc355

Goodrow probably doesn’t want to go through a rebuild but I think there’s more to it. He played 10-11 minutes in SJ when his play warranted a chance to play higher in the lineup. TB and the NYR played him 13-16 minutes.

Very true. The question is, would the Avs have won the Cup without Forsberg in '96?
- copelal

Hard to say, the Avs were a well built team from the goal line out. There was no salary cap and the Avs continually build a better roster then the Flyers. Forsberg was a very important part. I never understood the Clarke fascination with going cheap for goalies. For years the fanbase wanted the team to go after the best goalies at the time. Mike Ritcher and Curtis Joseph made it to free agency and for some reason Clarke passed. Ironic, many years later one of Snider's lasting memories is his impatience with Bob that led to the signing of Bryz.

Outside of the off limits players Ridley is really the only guy I’d want from Ottawa. There are some other ok players but no one that really moves the needle.

If they trade for either of those two oft-injured D men they deserve all the inevitable poop they get for it when they’re out of the lineup.

A lot of you, based on your trade proposals, are going to disappointed next week.

There is little to zero chance that the Sens are moving the 7th pick to the Flyers in any package that doesn’t include the 12th pick going to Ottawa.

If the Flyers are gonna make a deal with anyone to move up and/or grab another first, I would look to Buffalo who is desperate to make the playoffs in 2025. Packaging Farabee or Laughton with the Panthers pick might get them 11OA.
- BiggE

Think that's disappointing, wait until the Konecny extension.

Think that's disappointing, wait until the Konecny extension.
- Pelle31Forever

The only way I can come up with a Konecny long term extension making sense is if they trade Michkov for a young center with just as much talent. And doing that would be absolutely nuts imo.

Anything else is pointless with this current roster.

It also speaks to how weak our prospect pool actually is.
- MBFlyerfan

Exactly.

The Flyers have 4 1st rounders (hopefully another one with a trade) and 4 2nds in the next two years. Add that to Michkov, Bonk, Barkey, Tuomaala, Zavragin and Bjarnason.

If they can't fix that issue with that then they may not deserve to be in the NHL and should be demoted to the ECHL (skip the AHL).

Acquiring Patrick Roy kind of helped the Avs. 😀
- Trox88

And they don't get Roy w/o giving up Thibault, who they drafted with one of the 1sts we traded to them.

More like a 1/4 punch.

- MBFlyerfan

According to Torts that equals Poehling.

The only way I can come up with a Konecny long term extension making sense is if they trade Michkov for a young center with just as much talent. And doing that would be absolutely nuts imo.

Anything else is pointless with this current roster.
- hereticpride

Honestly i just skim pass the Konecny proposals. It's coming. Just a matter of how money.

Honestly i just skim pass the Konecny proposals. It's coming. Just a matter of how money.
- Pelle31Forever

At least we have something to complain about EVERY SINGLE DAY in 3-4 years....

And they don't get Roy w/o giving up Thibault, who they drafted with one of the 1sts we traded to them.
- Tomahawk

So what's your point, the Avs built a better roster with their assets and the rules of no salary cap. Fair play to them. Maybe Pierre Lacroix was a better GM then Bob Clarke in team building.

https://x.com/travisyost/...Mx_wCeMoUY5di_siO34Q&s=19

Another update from Yost just reiterating Flyers are trying to move up.

https://nypost.com/2024/06/19/sports/why-rangers-chris-drury-waiving-barclay-goodrow-was-cold-blooded/

good read
- hello it's me 2050

Must help the Flyers then because no one will ever sign in New York again. Not a gold standard way of treating players.

[quote=BluehorseShoe64]
The list of most likely potential assets to be included. Mix and match as you will:

Chychrun
Pinto
Greig
#7

Farabee
Laughton
Frost
Zamula
#12
- Quetzalcoatl

Doesn't move the needle for me.

Agreed. I wasn't excited with these trade rumors at the TDL, and nothing has changed. The only asset to possibly get excited about is #7. If it happens, and that is a BIG if, we will still have to send #12 back, plus something from the roster. This only makes sense if the draft board falls in such a way that all of the high impact top 10 players are gone by #12, and I mean, high impact players where the Flyers have a need, like centermen or highly skilled defensemen. After reading many mock drafts, there is a scenario where this could happen, but like any draft, what are the odds? Like one of the other posters said here, don't want to give up the moon to move up 5 spots. It would have to be for a player that was projected to go well before #12.
- BluehorseShoe64

If they’re getting a future #1D at 7 anything that’s been rumored would be a steal in the long run. I don’t understand the hesitation to trading TK, Farabee, Laughton, etc. these guys haven’t changed the direction of the Flyers so why are we treating them like they’re some sacred piece to a future cup run?

If the Flyers want to draft higher than 12, why would they hire a coach that can squeeze blood from a stone and not jettison players like TK and Laughton?

The Flyers may lack talent, but they not a bad team, not by a long shot. I'm with you though, DB needs to be aggressive in this draft and get a top player. I hope the Flyers can keep 12 also because I really want the Flyers to draft Solberg too!
- jd250

Well as of right now, they’re far from being a good team. I agree GMDB needs to be aggressive. Cobra Kai. Strike first. No mercy!

https://nypost.com/2024/06/19/sports/why-rangers-chris-drury-waiving-barclay-goodrow-was-cold-blooded/

good read
- hello it's me 2050

Oh no! Now the Rangers won’t be able to attract any good players because of how they treated Goodrow!

Oh no! Now the Rangers won’t be able to attract any good players because of how they treated Goodrow!
- Schmojo

The Rags absolutely circumvented his NTC. Looks like there were discussion between NYR and SJ. It’s not a big leap to suggest that the worst team in the league with the best waiver claim order would claim him and that the Rags knew that. That seems like a pretty aggressive move on NYRs part but as long as they played within the rules, Goodrow should be happy he’s still getting paid. Although who the heck wants to play in California with those taxes, not that NY is any better.