Your premise was franchise changing moves.
More likely than no they won’t get a superstar out of this draft. Star players can’t do it on their own.
Perennial contenders have a strong nucleus of good to very good players. Briere can solidify that if he is smart and go into next year with 2 more firsts can really change their trajectory. - bird_dog_pa
It wasn't my premise. I was just responding to another post. I agree that Briere can really set this franchise up for long term success over the next 2-3 years. He is technically "changing" the franchise by doing so. But adding assets and trading players when you should trade them is not franchise changing. It is what you should be doing all the time. The Flyers just have not done that for more than a decade.
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Jun 24 @ 10:06 AM ET
That’s my thing. None of the dmen are surefire. Demidov is. So needing high end talent that’s who I’d go after if trading up. - Stayin alive
Demidov is not surefire. His skating is a little wonky. He doesn't have ideal size. He's been beating up on lower competition and nobody knows how he'll fare against pros (or even his draft eligible peers) because he hasn't played much KHL or any tournaments. And of course, he's got one year left on his current deal and who knows if he doesn't re-sign in SKA after that.
Demi may be the most skilled player in the draft but he's anything but a safe pick.
I know bonk was being used in the bumper position at one point but when I saw him in March, he was top of the umbrella. - roenick97
And he was still scoring from that position? Well then maybe he has the chips to be a PP QB. That would be a pleasant development! I wish I got to see these junior games. Thanks for the info!
I do think the team is capable of at least a little more on both fronts. However, the lack of overall talent has a lot to do with those numbers. - mickel25
It's hard to say the Flyers had less talent than the tanking Blackhawks had in 22-23, before they even got Bedard. And yet, under Torts and Rocky they had a worse PP.
Another way to look at the offensive ineptitude of the Flyers under John Tortorella. The high scoring PK is somewhat masking how truly terrible they have been at scoring goals at almost all other times.
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Jun 24 @ 10:25 AM ET
That’s my thing. None of the dmen are surefire. Demidov is. So needing high end talent that’s who I’d go after if trading up. - Stayin alive
I’m all for Demidov and think he’s going to be a good one….but sure fire ? No…he lit up the MHL…which is no where on the level of JR hockey on this side of the pond. I think Chicago takes one of the D….but we’ll see.
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Jun 24 @ 10:27 AM ET
It's hard to say the Flyers had less talent than the tanking Blackhawks had in 22-23, before they even got Bedard. And yet, under Torts and Rocky they had a worse PP. - Feanor
If I hear one more time about Rocky and the PP and how he thinks “outside the box”…how he is still employed is astonishing. Maybe Rocky thinking outside the box isn’t a good thing.
Would Carolina Trade the rights to Martin Necas for the Panthers 1st round pick and that the Flyers hold and Laughton or would they need to add a 2nd rounder or prospect? Necas was drafted as a center and moved to the wing to play with Aho could he be move back to the middle and signed at a good number? His age (25) fits the rebuild timeline, he is offensively skilled and young enough that he is still developing. He is a +20 in 362 games however needs to improve his NHL career face-off percentage 41%.
Tk's trade value at the deadline would still be excellent as contenders will know what they need for a cup run or if Flyers decide they want to resign him and Coots health isn't an issue he would be highly sought after and moving his salary would be easier opening up the cap space for TK.
This still allows the team to develop their core and draft multiple first rounders over the next few years to be in position to have the cap flexibility and discover the holes on the roster that a contending teams needs through FA.[/img]
I’m all for Demidov and think he’s going to be a good one….but sure fire ? No…he lit up the MHL…which is no where on the level of JR hockey on this side of the pond. I think Chicago takes one of the D….but we’ll see. - landros 2
If I hear one more time about Rocky and the PP and how he thinks “outside the box”…how he is still employed is astonishing. Maybe Rocky thinking outside the box isn’t a good thing. - landros 2
In the past two years, Rocky's bottom ranked PP has scored 67 goals in 827:29. Chicago scored 77 goals in 790:11. The sorry ass Sharks who definitely do not have more talent than the Flyers, scored 83 goals in 7:22:28.
Thompson has better tenure than an Ivy League professor.
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Another way to look at the offensive ineptitude of the Flyers under John Tortorella. The high scoring PK is somewhat masking how truly terrible they have been at scoring goals at almost all other times.
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Jun 24 @ 10:53 AM ET
Would Carolina Trade the rights to Martin Necas for the Panthers 1st round pick and that the Flyers hold and Laughton or would they need to add a 2nd rounder or prospect? Necas was drafted as a center and moved to the wing to play with Aho could he be move back to the middle and signed at a good number? His age (25) fits the rebuild timeline, he is offensively skilled and young enough that he is still developing. He is a +20 in 362 games however needs to improve his NHL career face-off percentage 41%.
Tk's trade value at the deadline would still be excellent as contenders will know what they need for a cup run or if Flyers decide they want to resign him and Coots health isn't an issue he would be highly sought after and moving his salary would be easier opening up the cap space for TK.
This still allows the team to develop their core and draft multiple first rounders over the next few years to be in position to have the cap flexibility and discover the holes on the roster that a contending teams needs through FA. - EBPflyer[/img]
To land Necas, the Flyers would HAVE to trade TK because Necas is going to cost more to acquire then what TK will bring back. Then you have to re-sign him since he is a RFA, which would probably be around what TK is asking.
To land Necas, the Flyers would HAVE to trade TK because Necas is going to cost more to acquire then what TK will bring back. Then you have to re-sign him since he is a RFA, which would probably be around what TK is asking. - Glak18
What do you believe Carolina would get back in deal for Necas?
TK still has a year left on his current contract at 5.5 mil and it is already under their current cap number ... moving Laughton opens up 3mil and putting Ellis on LTIR creates the space to sign Necas. Necas's number would depend on a bridge or long term contract. Likely around 7mill on 2/3 years getting him to UFA deal or 8.5 on 5/6 years.
I agree and am worried that we haven’t addressed this issue by changing the assistant coach. It’s the worst pp I’ve ever seen the team have. - Hextall271
Your worries are needless. The Flyers brought in some consultants to help on the PP.
