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landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 24 @ 8:03 AM ET
I dont think any really knows as this management style is a collaborative effort.

sadly Danny boys vision seems to be that of "jonesy" and torts. I think danny is more of a puppet than a real gm at this time.

he hasnt had to make any hard decisions as of yet. all that he has done has been easy for the most part.

- hello it's me 2050


I don’t know about puppet. But 100% I haven’t seen that really tough decision. He has a chance this week to really change the narrative.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 24 @ 8:07 AM ET
Re-read the article. None of those trade suggestions were trading Konecny to move up one spot in the draft.
- MJL


Oh really? This part of the article directly mentions it.

"Philadelphia acquires 11th overall pick; Buffalo acquires Travis Konecny (extended to $8.5 million cap-hit contract over eight years on July 1)"

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 24 @ 8:15 AM ET
Oh really? This part of the article directly mentions it.

"Philadelphia acquires 11th overall pick; Buffalo acquires Travis Konecny (extended to $8.5 million cap-hit contract over eight years on July 1)"

- Hextall271


Yes, that is acquiring an additional pick. They still have the 12th. That is not moving up one spot in the draft. Two completely different things.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 24 @ 8:17 AM ET
I dont think any really knows as this management style is a collaborative effort.

sadly Danny boys vision seems to be that of "jonesy" and torts. I think danny is more of a puppet than a real gm at this time.

he hasnt had to make any hard decisions as of yet. all that he has done has been easy for the most part.

- hello it's me 2050



I wonder with all the OTT rumors if Danny is hoping Lindstrom drops. I feel like that would be the target, a big skilled center, to pair with Michkov.

Also since Michkov is coming now, I actually feel there is a less of a need to keep Konecny. Once Michkov's ELC is done, there is no way he is getting a bridge deal. He is getting 8 years. Kaprizov went from ELC to a 9mil cap hit.

TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Jun 24 @ 8:17 AM ET
I absolutely can. I can see a 3 way trade with Ottawa and Boston.
Ottawa - Ullmark
Boston - coots
Philly -chycrun or chabot.

Then Philly trades tk and pick 32 (with extension) to Ottawa for pick 7

Then trades laughts and pick 12 to Buffalo for pick 11


Then trades 7 and 12 or 13 to move up to 4 with Columbus and selects demidov.


Then uses whichever pick is left 12 or 13 and selects catton/helenius/eiserman


And go from there

- Stayin alive


waste of assets

Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 24 @ 8:59 AM ET
[quote=jd250]


Is MM going to have to earn his roster spot?
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jun 24 @ 8:59 AM ET
waste of assets
- TheFreak

Not even close to waste.
Out is coots tk laughts #32
In is demidov chycrun or chabot plus pick at 11 or 12 ( catton/ helenius/ whoever.

You move coots horrible contract
You move meh laughts (big deal)
You move tk (no future bad contract)

You get demidov to play with mm
You get young talent catton/helenius/???

You clear cap space now and future

You get much younger

You get high end talent (demidov)


Plus you have flexibility cap wise and roster wise to make more moves…. Sanheim/risto/bee/ etc


You still have 2 1st(‘25) plus probably plus probably 3 (2nd) as Columbus probably punts that pick to next year.


mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jun 24 @ 9:02 AM ET
With the MM news….this is a week that DB could makes moves along with the kids arrival that could change the trajectory of the franchise….does he have the vision and balls to do it?
- landros 2


Does he have the assets to make a franchise changing trade? I do not think he does.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 24 @ 9:02 AM ET
Is MM going to have to earn his roster spot?
- Flyfly


DB: Kid just needs to get down on his knees and.... block a shot with his face.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jun 24 @ 9:06 AM ET
You have to see big picture. If Philly trades with Ottawa to get to 7 they are trying to move up more for demidov. Don’t be shocked if that happens. That’s why whatever deal they have is on hold. My guess is there another team involved in some way. Maybe they are waiting to see if demidov is telling certain teams not to draft him ala mm. Maybe they can get him at 7 if trading up. Maybe they have to move to 4? Maybe a team is telling demidov they won’t pass on him and Philly can’t get high enough and wants to get to 7 and will settle for a dman. We shall see. But I fully expect fireworks


Mm coming is telling.

Tk can’t be paid now. Mm is gonna get huge deal in 3 years. Play same position no way you pay 2 wingers on same side 20 million.

So if tk is moved at/near draft gotta go big someway
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 24 @ 9:06 AM ET
What do the Flyers have to lose by giving Bonk a chance in the bumper position on the PP. it’s not like it could be worse than this year. Maybe he has a unique skill set that would translate well.
- mikeyo27


I know bonk was being used in the bumper position at one point but when I saw him in March, he was top of the umbrella.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 24 @ 9:07 AM ET
I honestly want to see what MTL does if Demidov and Lindstrom are both gone before 5. Will they really take Iginla or Sennecke that high?
- Schmojo


Not like many people were thinking there was a chance that Reinbacher and Simashev would both get taken before Benson and Michkov, but yet it happened.

Just takes one team to fall in love with a guy like Iginla or Sennecke to have them go top-5. I wouldn't even be surprised to see them both go top-5.

It really is wide open after #1. Everybody's got outstanding qualities... and some question marks.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 24 @ 9:19 AM ET
DB: Kid just needs to get down on his knees and.... block a shot with his face.
- Tomahawk



Curious to see how jd feels about this one lol
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 24 @ 9:20 AM ET
You have to see big picture. If Philly trades with Ottawa to get to 7 they are trying to move up more for demidov. Don’t be shocked if that happens. That’s why whatever deal they have is on hold. My guess is there another team involved in some way. Maybe they are waiting to see if demidov is telling certain teams not to draft him ala mm. Maybe they can get him at 7 if trading up. Maybe they have to move to 4? Maybe a team is telling demidov they won’t pass on him and Philly can’t get high enough and wants to get to 7 and will settle for a dman. We shall see. But I fully expect fireworks


Mm coming is telling.

Tk can’t be paid now. Mm is gonna get huge deal in 3 years. Play same position no way you pay 2 wingers on same side 20 million.

So if tk is moved at/near draft gotta go big someway

- Stayin alive


Honestly don't see them trading up for Demidov.

If they do trade it up it won't be for a finesse winger.

It'll be because they're targeting a big D or a big C.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jun 24 @ 9:23 AM ET
Honestly don't see them trading up for Demidov.

If they do trade it up it won't be for a finesse winger.

It'll be because they're targeting a big D or a big C.

- Tomahawk


Everyone wishes they could trade up for a big D.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Jun 24 @ 9:24 AM ET
Does he have the assets to make a franchise changing trade? I do not think he does.
- mickel25


Sure they do. It also depends on your definition of a franchise changing trade.
Will they get a number # 1 center. Highly doubtful.
Can they get a potential number 1 dman. That’s a possibility.
If the flyers can get Catton and the next tier dman like Richardinson and another one of the top 10 forwards that might fall I would say that it could be franchise changing.
The flyers aren’t going to be able to trade a roster player for any high end prospects unless they throw in one of the firsts.
I would take 12 off the table unless they are getting into the top three.
Would Buffalo trade 11 and good young prospect for TK, pick 32 and another pick in the 2nd type deal.
I don’t know it depends on how much Buffalo is feeling the pressure to make the playoffs next season.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 24 @ 9:28 AM ET
Everyone wishes they could trade up for a big D.
- mickel25



😏
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 24 @ 9:32 AM ET
Everyone wishes they could trade up for a big D.
- mickel25


I'd rather trade up for a perky C
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jun 24 @ 9:32 AM ET
Sure they do. It also depends on your definition of a franchise changing trade.
Will they get a number # 1 center. Highly doubtful.
Can they get a potential number 1 dman. That’s a possibility.
If the flyers can get Catton and the next tier dman like Richardinson and another one of the top 10 forwards that might fall I would say that it could be franchise changing.
The flyers aren’t going to be able to trade a roster player for any high end prospects unless they throw in one of the firsts.
I would take 12 off the table unless they are getting into the top three.
Would Buffalo trade 11 and good young prospect for TK, pick 32 and another pick in the 2nd type deal.
I don’t know it depends on how much Buffalo is feeling the pressure to make the playoffs next season.

- bird_dog_pa


Flyers have the assets to get really good players. They do not have the assets to get great players. That's my point. Nothing wrong with adding really good players. They will eventually need the great players though. Michkov fell to them last year. Hopefully he is one of the great players.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 24 @ 9:34 AM ET
I still think Chicago takes Demidov at #2, Bedard/Demidov is 2/3 of a frightening top line and none of the Dmen are surefire number ones.

If the Flyers find a way to get to 7OA, they are likely taking the best Dman still on the board.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 24 @ 9:45 AM ET
I still think Chicago takes Demidov at #2, Bedard/Demidov is 2/3 of a frightening top line and none of the Dmen are surefire number ones.

If the Flyers find a way to get to 7OA, they are likely taking the best Dman still on the board.

- BiggE



I think Danny's going to have a busy week here with sorting out the MM stuff along with draft and what I expect to be some trades. Looking forward to it.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jun 24 @ 9:47 AM ET
I still think Chicago takes Demidov at #2, Bedard/Demidov is 2/3 of a frightening top line and none of the Dmen are surefire number ones.

If the Flyers find a way to get to 7OA, they are likely taking the best Dman still on the board.

- BiggE



That’s my thing. None of the dmen are surefire. Demidov is. So needing high end talent that’s who I’d go after if trading up.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Jun 24 @ 9:50 AM ET
I am wondering if a player like Oliver Bonk will be allowed to seriously contend for a spot on the roster. He wouldn’t need a big role on the team, third pair would be fine. My question is, could his skills on the power play translate to the NHL.
- roenick97


I hope so, he has nothing to gain with another year of Jrs.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Jun 24 @ 9:55 AM ET
Flyers have the assets to get really good players. They do not have the assets to get great players. That's my point. Nothing wrong with adding really good players. They will eventually need the great players though. Michkov fell to them last year. Hopefully he is one of the great players.
- mickel25


Your premise was franchise changing moves.
More likely than no they won’t get a superstar out of this draft. Star players can’t do it on their own.
Perennial contenders have a strong nucleus of good to very good players. Briere can solidify that if he is smart and go into next year with 2 more firsts can really change their trajectory.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Jun 24 @ 9:59 AM ET
With Demidov, does a team value positional fit over sky high ceiling of a prospect. I am very curious how the top 5 teams answer that question.
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