Utah is an upgrade from Arizona....I think this debate is between:

Columbus
Edmonton
Buffalo
- washedup20

A lot of players flat out won't go to Canada.

Terry/Adams are democrats, they can’t MAGA.

Under Terry and Kevyn, the Buffalo Sabres have become the most expensive developmental organization for NHL teams.
- washedup20

You had to go to politics, didn't you? What a freaking tool.

can we change Scandella to Travis Hamonic if he is bought out?
- homiedclown

you know when you've got a sleep headache and you know the day is going to be annoying cause it's just going to get worse over the course of the day?

well thanks to this idea, you've created one for me.

it was.

So I suppose we swap Savoie for Korchinski and Benson for But.

Hindsight it's a huge L.

Without hindsight, it's bad asset management not knowing if he'd stay.
- TheSabresTaco

What did they get back for Cat?

This trade tree is still growing since Chiq is up for grabs.

I don't see Benson or Savoie as key pieces to any winning team, so I would've preferred to take the risk, the ripple effects in the locker room are immeasurable.

to the team's credit, we have yet to see a Drury/Briere situation in Pegula's tenure. Look at how many players teams like Ottawa didn't feel like paying.

Probably the closest thing would be Reinhart but that was bungled by the GM's and not an ownership mandate.
- TheSabresTaco

Sam, Ullmark, and Montour 1 year deals is in the same ballpark of mismanagement, imo. State of the team at the time couldn't be more different though. Much tougher to lose those guys when you're on top.

What did they get back for Cat?

This trade tree is still growing since Chiq is up for grabs.

I don't see Benson or Savoie as key pieces to any winning team, so I would've preferred to take the risk, the ripple effects in the locker room are immeasurable.
- washedup20

for cat they got junk and this year's 25OA. so.. guess we'll see on that.

Went from 7OA in 22, so a guy who is probably ready in a year's time from now, to 25OA this year, who is probably ready by the time chiq retires. if ever.

Sam, Ullmark, and Montour 1 year deals is in the same ballpark of mismanagement, imo. State of the team at the time couldn't be more different though. Much tougher to lose those guys when you're on top.
- Lunaion

ullmark i believe was term (money was same) and *I believe* we just sucked and he wanted a better team.

montour and sam were horrid mismanagement.

You had to go to politics, didn't you? What a freaking tool.
- Slump Buster

I had to, the libs required it.

Reinhart was traded for Levi and Kulich four days before Ullmark signed with Boston.

Kevyn didn't want the term with Ullmark because UPL was to be established by now (he actually nailed this)

He picked up Levi because there were doubts Ullmark was going to sign and Portillo was not projected to be a main stay in the NHL.

And so, enter Craig Anderson, the new mentor for UPL.

for cat they got junk and this year's 25OA. so.. guess we'll see on that.

Went from 7OA in 22, so a guy who is probably ready in a year's time from now, to 25OA this year, who is probably ready by the time chiq retires. if ever.
- TheSabresTaco

Cat and Chiq have more points for Ottawa than Benson/Savoie have for Buffalo.

Now I guess you have to compare how the returns for those two play out, this is all potential for Buffalo and Ottawa, which I find meaningless.

A lot of players flat out won't go to Canada.
- TheSabresTaco

True

Cat and Chiq have more points for Ottawa than Benson/Savoie have for Buffalo.

Now I guess you have to compare how the returns for those two play out, this is all potential for Buffalo and Ottawa, which I find meaningless.
- washedup20

I know you see it like this, I see it more as a projection. That's fair though.

Also I view it in the lens of, both of those guys did nothing for that team's success.

ullmark i believe was term (money was same) and *I believe* we just sucked and he wanted a better team.

montour and sam were horrid mismanagement.
- TheSabresTaco

With Ullmark, I'm talking a year earlier. With all 3, it was completely botching your team control years. It was literally amateur hour in their front office.

Reinhart was traded for Levi and Kulich four days before Ullmark signed with Boston.

Kevyn didn't want the term with Ullmark because UPL was to be established by now (he actually nailed this)

He picked up Levi because there were doubts Ullmark was going to sign and Portillo was not projected to be a main stay in the NHL.

And so, enter Craig Anderson, the new mentor for UPL.
- TheSabresTaco

We just had to waste a playoff year to get there

Reinhart was traded for Levi and Kulich four days before Ullmark signed with Boston.

Kevyn didn't want the term with Ullmark because UPL was to be established by now (he actually nailed this)

He picked up Levi because there were doubts Ullmark was going to sign and Portillo was not projected to be a main stay in the NHL.

And so, enter Craig Anderson, the new mentor for UPL.
- TheSabresTaco

Just to be clear, Ullmark turned down term and more money to leave. The mistakes were made by the organization on both players going back several years before that time.

We just had to waste a playoff year to get there
- Hank Balling

He should have choked up the extra year of term. It's called give and take. He's a very tradable asset as we can see.

I'm not sure if we'd have Levi in the system though.

We just had to waste a playoff year to get there
- Hank Balling

From Weeks:

I’m told the @MapleLeafs are closing in on 3Yr Contract Extension (July 1st) for G Woll in the neighborhood between $ 3.5M - $4M AAV.

Just to be clear, Ullmark turned down term and more money to leave. The mistakes were made by the organization on both players going back several years before that time.
- Slump Buster

He was given more term in Boston. That's a fact. The money, last I heard, was the same.

With Ullmark, I'm talking a year earlier. With all 3, it was completely botching your team control years. It was literally amateur hour in their front office.
- Lunaion

Without a doubt.

He's learned from that blunder. He's locked up all of his important players for max term contracts. For better or worse.

Very curious to see how Byram is handled next year. Reminds me of Montour in more ways than one. He's been looking for a guy like Byram for a long time (his words). Let's see what he does to keep him around. I suspect 4x4.5. Depends on the year he has I guess.

He was given more term in Boston. That's a fact. The money, last I heard, was the same.
- TheSabresTaco

Just to be clear, 1 year @ 2.6m walking him straight to UFA is my problem here. No excuse for that.

Just to be clear, 1 year @ 2.6m walking him straight to UFA is my problem here. No excuse for that.
- Lunaion

No, you're right. I'm just talking about 2021.

The year prior he was 2.69 and 0.915. Those are numbers that should get you, at that time, 3-4x ~3.5M

He should have choked up the extra year of term. It's called give and take. He's a very tradable asset as we can see.

I'm not sure if we'd have Levi in the system though.
- TheSabresTaco

That decision - more than any other - that KA has or hasn't made screwed the Sabres for years

That decision - more than any other - that KA has or hasn't made screwed the Sabres for years
- Hank Balling

22-23 is the only season it would have actually mattered. I don't want to diminish the importance of that idea though.

No, you're right. I'm just talking about 2021.

The year prior he was 2.69 and 0.915. Those are numbers that should get you, at that time, 3-4x ~3.5M
- TheSabresTaco

I don't put much thought into his UFA decision. Why wouldn't he want to play in Boston over Buffalo? That decision isn't all about money and term.