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- Buff36

A lot of players flat out won't go to Canada.
- TheSabresTaco

Could include the Buffalo Sabres there to

How many GM's think they can wait him out and pick up roster players for cheap when they start demanding trades after Christmas this coming season?

Do you trust GMME to make quality trades?
- washedup20

You can kill Adams all day long for being too passive in his roster build. You have no reason to think that he can't make quality trades.

That's always going to be the Eichel trade. Krebs was the key piece they fought to get in return, nothing wrong with acknowledging that.
- Lunaion

Krebs at the time of the draft was a really good prospect. His major downfall even falling in the draft was his torn Achilles tendon. Sometimes that is a career killer type injury where the player comes back and is never the same

That’s why when Quinn came back. It was really impressive how good he looked.

I wonder how Krebs looked prior to the injury.

You can kill Adams all day long for being too passive in his roster build. You have no reason to think that he can't make quality trades.
- Slump Buster

The Eichel trade was bad, the Hall to Boston trade was an abomination, the Greenway trade was horrible....traded Busch-can for nothing.....Byram for Mitts only adds to the potential of the group, he didn't look good.

The horseshoe hairline club is an embarrassment to hockey.

- kingcong39

That center depth is abysmal. 20 games of Tage-less hockey away from a lottery team

- kingcong39

Like Dowd but wrong line. That is a weak bottom 6

The Eichel trade was bad, the Hall to Boston trade was an abomination, the Greenway trade was horrible....traded Busch-can for nothing.....Byram for Mitts only adds to the potential of the group, he didn't look good.

The horseshoe hairline club is an embarrassment to hockey.
- washedup20

Eichel trade when tuch eas playing good was fine. Then when tuch production took a dive this year. You think “what about krebs”

Greenway blame Granato. He wanted him

Hall only would wave his no trade to go to the bruins. Adams had no leverage. Also hall sucked that year and had like 1 goal.

The situations in the trades do matter on how Adams did on the trade.

Reinhart similar situation. I need to move him and this is what’s being offered.

- kingcong39

Foegle would be a great add

Eichel trade when tuch eas playing good was fine. Then when tuch production took a dive this year. You think “what about krebs”

Greenway blame Granato. He wanted him

Hall only would wave his no trade to go to the bruins. Adams had no leverage. Also hall sucked that year and had like 1 goal.

The situations in the trades do matter on how Adams did on the trade.

Reinhart similar situation. I need to move him and this is what’s being offered.
- Sabretooth9

All of this is a GM working from a position of weakness, which turned him into an isolationist, which results in Girgs being signed to a lifetime contract.

The Eichel trade was bad, the Hall to Boston trade was an abomination, the Greenway trade was horrible....traded Busch-can for nothing.....Byram for Mitts only adds to the potential of the group, he didn't look good.

The horseshoe hairline club is an embarrassment to hockey.
- washedup20

I know, I know - you live in a world of narratives and revisionist history.

Do we really need to revisit the Eichel trade? Seriously? Not to mention, most on this board were in the "just ship him out for anything" camp.
Hall would only sign with us if he had a guarantee that we wouldn't trade him somewhere without his consent. I know you know this, but again, the truth doesn't matter.
We can agree to disagree on the other trades.

I know, I know - you live in a world of narratives and revisionist history.

Do we really need to revisit the Eichel trade? Seriously? Not to mention, most on this board were in the "just ship him out for anything" trade.
Hall would only sign with us if he had a guarantee that we wouldn't trade him somewhere without his consent. I know you know this, but again, the truth doesn't matter.
We can agree to disagree on the other trades.
- Slump Buster

You must be a part of the horseshoe hairline club.

Sure. It's not nearly as bad as the Bill Guerin situation but they're not pulling this trigger without some long discussions about that third year.
- TheSabresTaco

The Wild have made the playoffs at least twice during the buyout years, including one of the big dead cap seasons, and the big dead cap ends after the upcoming season.

Guess it wasn't so bad.

You must be a part of the horseshoe hairline club.
- washedup20

And as with so many other things in your world, you can't argue facts. I'll happily criticize him for things he has or hasn't done. He has what looks to be a great record in drafting and I can't find a trade that has been bad. Greenway might not be your cup of tea, but he is a solid 3rd liner and very good PK for the cost of a pick at the bottom of the second round. That isn't bad value at all.

Krebs at the time of the draft was a really good prospect. His major downfall even falling in the draft was his torn Achilles tendon. Sometimes that is a career killer type injury where the player comes back and is never the same

That’s why when Quinn came back. It was really impressive how good he looked.

I wonder how Krebs looked prior to the injury.
- Sabretooth9

Krebs speed looks fine, Krebs was never going to be a big Goal Scorer, it was his play making and passing that where his bread and butter back then. Get him better 200ft Wingers with a bit of touch, not F@cking Girgensons and Okposo.

The Wild have made the playoffs at least twice during the buyout years, including one of the big dead cap seasons, and the big dead cap ends after the upcoming season.

Guess it wasn't so bad.
- kingcong39

It wasn't, but lets not pretend they were even remotely in contention for anything. They are the west's version of the islanders: get by playing stifling defense but never really be a threat to anyone. Both teams made the playoffs over us, but lets not pretend they are going anywhere anytime soon.

Krebs speed looks fine, Krebs was never going to be a big Goal Scorer, it was his play making and passing that where his bread and butter back then. Get him better 200ft Wingers with a bit of touch, not F@cking Girgensons and Okposo.
- Buff36

I was in this camp as well, and then they did. He was brutal. Its possible that maybe Jeffy was mailing it in at that point, but he did nothing when given the chance.

It wasn't, but lets not pretend they were even remotely in contention for anything. They are the west's version of the islanders: get by playing stifling defense but never really be a threat to anyone. Both teams made the playoffs over us, but lets not pretend they are going anywhere anytime soon.
- Slump Buster

How do we know the Sabres are going anywhere anytime soon?

I'd trust the Wild over the Sabres.

They don't have a decade plus long run of ineptitude.

And as with so many other things in your world, you can't argue facts. I'll happily criticize him for things he has or hasn't done. He has what looks to be a great record in drafting and I can't find a trade that has been bad. Greenway might not be your cup of tea, but he is a solid 3rd liner and very good PK for the cost of a pick at the bottom of the second round. That isn't bad value at all.
- Slump Buster

Fact is Adams got lucky Tuch turned into something, or that trade would really look like Dog 💩

Fact is Adams got lucky Tuch turned into something, or that trade would really look like Dog 💩
- Buff36

Waiting out Vegas to include Krebs was also why the trade took so long to complete.

I was in this camp as well, and then they did. He was brutal. Its possible that maybe Jeffy was mailing it in at that point, but he did nothing when given the chance.
- Slump Buster

Put him with 2 new Wingers in Camp and let them grow together, develop chemistry if they can. You gave Mitts the chance, if your keeping Krebs you might as well do the same.

And as with so many other things in your world, you can't argue facts. I'll happily criticize him for things he has or hasn't done. He has what looks to be a great record in drafting and I can't find a trade that has been bad. Greenway might not be your cup of tea, but he is a solid 3rd liner and very good PK for the cost of a pick at the bottom of the second round. That isn't bad value at all.
- Slump Buster

7 first round picks, only 3 are on the team with one being a 1st overall.

1 pick outside the 1st round on the team.

The facts regarding his entire plan to build through the draft resulted in failure and now he is trying to shift from that plan by moving these prospects and now the 11thOA.

Do the math on his draft success, that fact might adjust your assumption that drafting is a strength.

I think you and I have different standards of what we believe to be quality.

Waiting out Vegas to include Krebs was also why the trade took so long to complete.
- kingcong39

Should have taken Korczak in that deal

How do we know the Sabres are going anywhere anytime soon?

I'd trust the Wild over the Sabres.

They don't have a decade plus long run of ineptitude.
- kingcong39

I didn't say they were, but I'd bet any money on them being closer than either of those teams are right now. Especially the Islanders.

Look at it another way. I know a lot of people are in the "do whatever it takes to get into the playoffs now" camp. I wouldn't join that camp if it meant playing how those teams play. It really covers up mediocre rosters. I want to do whatever it takes to build a sustained run. I wouldn't trade places with either team right now, drought or not.

On top of all of that, those teams are unwatchable.

Put him with 2 new Wingers in Camp and let them grow together, develop chemistry if they can. You gave Mitts the chance, if your keeping Krebs you might as well do the same.
- Buff36

I get what you are saying, but Mitts had showed signs of life.