"On this day in 2006, the Maple Leafs acquired Andrew Raycroft from the Bruins in exchange for Tuukka Rask"
- Fakepartofme

I'm hoping for a little less - I don't think he'll be worth that by the end of his contact.

$4M X 3 years - $4.5M 1st year, $4M 2nd year, $3.5M 3rd year.

He can have it all up front - it won't be a 35+ contract, so do it however his agent wants it, and the CRA agrees to it.
- Atomic Wedgie

LOL.

Sorry for the delay folks, my gf just brought me out so she could have a Caesar and poutine and treated me with a pitcher of beer… she also ordered the largest poutine and I got half of it… been a real tough afternoon for me
- Dozzer

Marry her ...like right the (frank) now.

Lock that poop up Dozzer.

He's under contract this coming year. He doesn't have to sign any extension. Next summer he has 1 RFA year left and arbitration rights. Year to year isn't just his risk ..it's the teams as well (us Leaf fans are keenly aware of the results of gambling/waiting to sign extensions).

I don't think the debate here has anything to do with 'concerns about this guy being able to stay healthy" ....we're all on the same page. He's a big big risk.

I think where some of missing the point ...is the money he signed ..it's inevitable. That's the right money because that's what guys in similar positions with similar leverage signed for. The real issue is whether Tree should have swerved left (wait until next summer) or swerved right (extend him now).

You want to say don't extend ...I respect that. I might even agree with it. But the you should have got him for less thing is ridiculous fandom.
- The Law

Offer him $4M X 5 and if he's injured. If he's injured, Robidas Island is a great place to be.

Marry her ...like right the (frank) now.

Lock that poop up Dozzer.
- The Law

Oh I know… she’s beautiful too and must need glasses to be cool being with me lol….and took me to fatty patty’s here in London which is just loaded with hockey stuff… primarily it’s Orr from the Bruins but I can forgive that.. but also a very nice Clark one and a Gilmour one as well. They had old Edmonton cup winning games playing on their TVs as well

It was never a choice between those two.
Silly example

Woll doesnt deserve that kind of money.
2.5m max
46 nhl games
- Fakepartofme

https://images.app.goo.gl/4YV9KgatvZfP6AZPA

Note that many of the guys I listed were the same type of thing - they were coming into their 3rd deals, so they had come off of ELC, bridged for a year or two, and were signing their last RFA/first UFA deals - and most of them - due to a lack of NHL experience more than anything - were relatively low.

It's why a guy like Woll stands to make a metric (frank)ton in free agency, because once you establsh that you are an NHL starter, the money rolls freely. But if you take Woll from this year - His first 4 starts were great (Oct 16 - 26). Of his next 5, only 1 was good (Oct 31 - Nov 10). Then they give him a 10 day break, he comes back and pops off 5 good games of his next 6 - before being injured and missing the next 3 months. After his injury he did draw the harder assignments over Samsonov but his play was pretty spotty - in those 10 games over 6 weeks he had 5 good and 5 bad.

I mean it when I say that I believe in him - I just don't get the NHL financial reality of rewarding someone for an unfulfilled promise.
- Monkeypunk

Took a quick re-look at your list.

Ingram - 26 yr old ahler ...tough comparison I think. By the time he's signing he's not viewed as anything more than a backup (at best).

Kotchekov - he was a 23 yr old and only gave up 4 RFA years ...not UFA years.

Better comps were Montebault, Vanacek and Gustavsson b/c they all signed when they had the leverage that comes with Arbitration and 1 yr of RFA left. All those GM's were facing the same risk/reward as Tree.

I agree that today ...Woll's resume is thinner then theirs but that's the gamble. Sign him now at those types of numbers or risk that he has a great year and will cost a bunch more over those 3 years.

- Zezel

It’s ok. This is also the day that Leafs selected Auston Matthews in the draft

Oh I know… she’s beautiful too and must need glasses to be cool being with me lol….and took me to fatty patty’s here in London which is just loaded with hockey stuff… primarily it’s Orr from the Bruins but I can forgive that.. but also a very nice Clark one and a Gilmour one as well. They had old Edmonton cup winning games playing on their TVs as well
- Dozzer

Fatty Patty's lol.

A buddy of mine was going to London for a kids hockey tourney quite a few years ago - just to be an ass I told him to go take the whole family to the best burger joint in all of London.....The Beef Baron!

He sent me a text message on the Saturday afternoon about 4pm, it was short and to the point, something like "you are a MOFO A-Hole".

Apparently he asked the front desk lady at the hotel when they checked in (with his wife beside him) for directions and the lady looked a bit puzzled but gave him the directions. The wife finally asked why the weird look and the front desk staff member apparently just said she hadn't been asked for directions to THAT strip club in quite some time.

He had to do some backtracking and fancy talk to get out of the dog house after that one - he never sold me out as the source just blamed a 'guy at work' who he said he now realized was an A-hole and saved me from the wrath of his wife.

Fatty Patty's lol.

A buddy of mine was going to London for a kids hockey tourney quite a few years ago - just to be an ass I told him to go take the whole family to the best burger joint in all of London.....The Beef Baron!

He sent me a text message on the Saturday afternoon about 4pm, it was short and to the point, something like "you are a MOFO A-Hole".

Apparently he asked the front desk lady at the hotel when they checked in (with his wife beside him) for directions and the lady looked a bit puzzled but gave him the directions. The wife finally asked why the weird look and the front desk staff member apparently just said she hadn't been asked for directions to THAT strip club in quite some time.

He had to do some backtracking and fancy talk to get out of the dog house after that one - he never sold me out as the source just blamed a 'guy at work' who he said he now realized was an A-hole and saved me from the wrath of his wife.


- Cush29

Not the cleanest of “barons” either

The reason the girls were wanted listed on the sign pretty much sums the place up too lol

Offer him $4M X 5 and if he's injured. If he's injured, Robidas Island is a great place to be.
- PrinceLH

LTIR isn't free money and it's crippling when it comes to roster management. You don't necessarily get all the money you're losing from the injured player available to you and other LTIR injuries compound into creating a larger problem with managing the payroll.

The only time LTIR works in a team's favour is when the injured player comes back healthy in the playoffs - and it didn't work for Vegas this year.

Your best case scenario is to stay out of LTIR altogether. Even when you have a permanently injured player like Horton or Clarkson, you only see the percentage of that money that exceeds the cap in relief. So if your overall salary structure is at $78m and the cap is $80m, placing Horton's $5m salary into LTIR would've netted you $3m in relief - you need to fill up your roster with other guys just to maximize the possible relief return.

The injuries aren't a death sentence, but it's exceptionally limiting and a massive headache.

A quick example of the flip side of the risk with Woll is Buffalo-Ullmark.

They dabbled on one year deals keeping his AAV low. He opted for a 1 yr deal in his last RFA year. Went out and played well ...and then left Barfalo and signed in Boston for bigger money.

Sabres would have loved to have that guy the last 3 years.

Risk - either way you swerve.

"On this day in 2006, the Maple Leafs acquired Andrew Raycroft from the Bruins in exchange for Tuukka Rask"
- Fakepartofme

That was an awesome day!

LTIR isn't free money and it's crippling when it comes to roster management. You don't necessarily get all the money you're losing from the injured player available to you and other LTIR injuries compound into creating a larger problem with managing the payroll.

The only time LTIR works in a team's favour is when the injured player comes back healthy in the playoffs - and it didn't work for Vegas this year.

Your best case scenario is to stay out of LTIR altogether. Even when you have a permanently injured player like Horton or Clarkson, you only see the percentage of that money that exceeds the cap in relief. So if your overall salary structure is at $78m and the cap is $80m, placing Horton's $5m salary into LTIR would've netted you $3m in relief - you need to fill up your roster with other guys just to maximize the possible relief return.

The injuries aren't a death sentence, but it's exceptionally limiting and a massive headache.
- Monkeypunk

Totally agree with what you’re saying but thankfully the leafs aren’t a team where the $ will matter.

The concern would be a “what if he’s able to come back?” The leafs can’t demand someone stays on LTIR.

Not the cleanest of “barons” either

The reason the girls were wanted listed on the sign pretty much sums the place up too lol


- Dozzer

My favorite kind of exotic dancer is the "non-stop" variety. I hate it when biitches stop.

My favorite kind of exotic dancer is the "non-stop" variety. I hate it when biitches stop.
- GalacticStone

Oh it was an interesting place. Owned by the local city biker gang too… more happened there than just good ol’ honest stripping lol

It's not about this year ...the saving (if it works out) would be in 25-28'.

He was always going to spend 2-3M on a partner for this year.
- The Law

I hope it's Brossoit

Not the cleanest of “barons” either

The reason the girls were wanted listed on the sign pretty much sums the place up too lol


- Dozzer

Oh ya I went there once and it was a one beer and gonzo. I couldn’t shower fast enough afterwards. 🤮

I hope it's Brossoit
- dmnted

Honestly not sure how the goaltending will play itself out. Im fine going with the in house developed talent in Woll, but thinking need to just get someone with some good experience to go with him.

Oh it was an interesting place. Owned by the local city biker gang too… more happened there than just good ol’ honest stripping lol
- Dozzer

HA’s owned it no? Or was it another gang and I’m confused?

Not the same money, but a close example:

Connor Ingram, 2 x $1.95m after only 3 NHL games as a UFA signed by Arizona away from Nashville (and 4 Playoff games). They weren't even particularly good games.

Kochetkov is the closest I can think of, and he got 4 x $2m. Spencer Knight, similarly, received 3 x $4.5m after only 3 NHL games - but he was a 13OA pick.

Guys in a similar boat to Woll in experience - like Vladar, Blackwood, Vejmelka, all made around $2m on their second deals; Georgiev received $2.5 on a 2 year bridge, but he had 70 games of experience. Some guys like Vanecek and Gustavsson bridged at their ELC salaries and then received larger paydays on their 3rd deals.

But Ivan Fedotov. That's your guy. 3 games of NHL experience, age 27, just signed a $3.3m x 2 year deal as a UFA.

Bad management is all around, but it doesn't mean that we should be following those foot steps.
- Monkeypunk

This is all ridiculous.

There’s a whole season to be played, those comparables were signed as an expiring deal.

Sometimes you think too much and it gets you into trouble.

HA’s owned it no? Or was it another gang and I’m confused?
- Cush29

No not them but practically the same thing. The primary one here in London are called The Outlaws.

heres hoping Bobby Lou bangin the drum tonight. Will settle for Jovocop

I'm hoping it goes into quadruple OT, and then just as the puck is about to cross the goal line, space-time collapses to an infinitely dense singularity, purging all life from the universe.

- Zezel

Either way we’re all winners this year: the Coyotes are gone!

No not them but practically the same thing. The primary one here in London are called The Outlaws.
- Dozzer

Ah ya right.