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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 25 @ 4:38 AM ET
Now back to what’s important! Please get Michkov here before the end of the week. Please draft a difference maker in the first round. Please trade TK!
- roenick97

Sure, let’s trade TK and set the rebuild back another 5 years, and then let’s see Michkov demand a trade because the team sucks so bad. Think about what you saying. Michkov is coming, the Flyers need to surround him with real talent, which is what TK is and the Flyers don’t have much of, not scrubs!
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 25 @ 6:41 AM ET
Sure, let’s trade TK and set the rebuild back another 5 years, and then let’s see Michkov demand a trade because the team sucks so bad. Think about what you saying. Michkov is coming, the Flyers need to surround him with real talent, which is what TK is and the Flyers don’t have much of, not scrubs!
- jd250


TK will be 28 years old when his extension kicks in. It’s anticipated that he’ll settle for nothing less than an 8 year term. That will make him 36 at the end of his contract. Chances are that he’ll insist on some sort of NTC. The rumored asking price is a ridiculous $10m per which probably means he’ll settle for somewhere between 8.5 and 9.

Flyers already have Coots signed at 7.75 per year through 2030. That’s nearly $17m tied up in two aging players that are not stars. Trading TK only boosts the prospects of a rebuild, it doesn’t set it back. That money will be needed at some point to resign Michkov, keep York and Drysdale and Foerester and eventually retain a #1 goalie. Additionally TKs value will never be higher. MM needs a team around him, not a bunch of overpriced aging veterans. Use TK to gain draft assets and prospects or YOUNG NHL players.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 25 @ 6:44 AM ET
Sure, let’s trade TK and set the rebuild back another 5 years, and then let’s see Michkov demand a trade because the team sucks so bad. Think about what you saying. Michkov is coming, the Flyers need to surround him with real talent, which is what TK is and the Flyers don’t have much of, not scrubs!
- jd250


If Konecny was 21 or 22 and coming off his ELC scoring 33 goals then I 100% agree with you....

The good news is the Flyers HAVE been doing what you want them to do for DECADES now, so no assumption is needed. Absolute failure of an idea.

The last thing the Flyers need to surround Michkov or any other young player with is high priced and long term players that have plateaued. You might as well replace TK with Couturier in your statement. Players that get that last big contract almost never get better or produce more, unless they are a mega star...which TK is far from.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 25 @ 7:01 AM ET
Re-signing TK rather than trading him is just flat out dumb, he will be a 2nd line RW by year 2 of his impending 8 year deal with a cap hit around 9 million.

It’s not personal, it’s just business, the correct move is to trade him.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 25 @ 7:06 AM ET
Trading TK is a no brainer, if they don’t, it needs to be a sweetheart deal and everything else must be sold and make sense. That is the hard way, just trade him. You would think the Sens and G would like TK.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:15 AM ET
Trading TK is a no brainer, if they don’t, it needs to be a sweetheart deal and everything else must be sold and make sense. That is the hard way, just trade him. You would think the Sens and G would like TK.
- wcorvette


If G moved back to the left side with TK on the right and Norris in the middle, that would be a very nice 2nd line behind Brady, Tim and Drake. Move Pinto to the 3rd with Greig and find another guy that works well with them.

That could be a pretty solid top 9 with defensive depth and now a goaltender.

It wouldn't be a bad move for Ottawa, but I want no part of Chychrun and a hell no for Chabot, especially after looking at his injury history (always gets injured Feb/Mar and some kind of chronic hand/wrist injury).
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Jun 25 @ 7:20 AM ET
Sure, let’s trade TK and set the rebuild back another 5 years, and then let’s see Michkov demand a trade because the team sucks so bad. Think about what you saying. Michkov is coming, the Flyers need to surround him with real talent, which is what TK is and the Flyers don’t have much of, not scrubs!
- jd250


I hope you don’t balance the household checkbook.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:50 AM ET
Sure, let’s trade TK and set the rebuild back another 5 years, and then let’s see Michkov demand a trade because the team sucks so bad. Think about what you saying. Michkov is coming, the Flyers need to surround him with real talent, which is what TK is and the Flyers don’t have much of, not scrubs!
- jd250


When are you going to think about what you're saying. This rebuild is going to take over 5 years, even if they approach it the correct way. Which is unlikely. Which means it's going to take even longer. The'll improve enough to get clueless fans such as yourself on board but not enough to actually be a legit contender. They'll also get lower draft picks and never actually get to add the elite talent they need. Using free agency and trying to make to trades, putting them in the same endless circle of mediocrity that they've been in for over a decade. Think about what you're saying, which you obviously didn't. The way to sorround Michkov with real talent is to trade Konency.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 25 @ 7:50 AM ET
If G moved back to the left side with TK on the right and Norris in the middle, that would be a very nice 2nd line behind Brady, Tim and Drake. Move Pinto to the 3rd with Greig and find another guy that works well with them.

That could be a pretty solid top 9 with defensive depth and now a goaltender.

It wouldn't be a bad move for Ottawa, but I want no part of Chychrun and a hell no for Chabot, especially after looking at his injury history (always gets injured Feb/Mar and some kind of chronic hand/wrist injury).

- Glak18



You know the Sens have another move coming.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 25 @ 7:53 AM ET
Sure, let’s trade TK and set the rebuild back another 5 years, and then let’s see Michkov demand a trade because the team sucks so bad. Think about what you saying. Michkov is coming, the Flyers need to surround him with real talent, which is what TK is and the Flyers don’t have much of, not scrubs!
- jd250




Exactly. So let's make some moves and bring in a center to build with. Let's find that guy to pair with Michkov be it Pinto, Zegras, Rossi, Perfetti. Maybe you move up and get Lindstrom or grab Catton.

Moving Konecny does not stop you from adding talent around Michkov.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:56 AM ET
Exactly. So let's make some moves and bring in a center to build with. Let's find that guy to pair with Michkov be it Pinto, Zegras, Rossi, Perfetti. Maybe you move up and get Lindstrom or grab Catton.

Moving Konecny does not stop you from adding talent around Michkov.

- J35Bacher


Zegras and Pinto are not players you should look to trade for to play with Michkov.
bsw31usa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Lindbergh31RIP!!!, PA
Joined: 01.12.2016

Jun 25 @ 7:59 AM ET
When are you going to think about what you're saying. This rebuild is going to take over 5 years, even if they approach it the correct way. Which is unlikely. Which means it's going to take even longer. The'll improve enough to get clueless fans such as yourself on board but not enough to actually be a legit contender. They'll also get lower draft picks and never actually get to add the elite talent they need. Using free agency and trying to make to trades, putting them in the same endless circle of mediocrity that they've been in for over a decade. Think about what you're saying, which you obviously didn't. The way to sorround Michkov with real talent is to trade Konency.
- MJL



Absolutely correct! The Oilers have had the best player to ever play the game for nine years now and are only beginning to peak. MM is not going to be a game changer for a few years so bring in young talent to grow with him. Trade any and all over 25!
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 25 @ 8:00 AM ET
Zegras and Pinto are not players you should look to trade for to play with Michkov.
- MJL


My example was flawed. It was more the premise that moving Konecny helps you in bringing in more talent, doesn't prohibit it.

But my task now that I know Michkov is coming over is to look to find that center to pair with him.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 25 @ 8:07 AM ET
My example was flawed. It was more the premise that moving Konecny helps you in bringing in more talent, doesn't prohibit it.

But my task now that I know Michkov is coming over is to look to find that center to pair with him.

- J35Bacher


I would like to pair him with McKenna please!

Hell I would be very OK with Hagens too...the Cold War Line!
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 25 @ 8:09 AM ET
Sure, let’s trade TK and set the rebuild back another 5 years, and then let’s see Michkov demand a trade because the team sucks so bad. Think about what you saying. Michkov is coming, the Flyers need to surround him with real talent, which is what TK is and the Flyers don’t have much of, not scrubs!
- jd250

comedy at its finest.

- still spewing the rebuild nonsense.

- tk is a vital piece going forward. he is true flyer. without him they are back to being a non playoff team.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 25 @ 8:10 AM ET
I understand but McDavid didn’t show up this game. Real no show with the cup on the line.
- roenick97

One of the all time bozos on this place. Stop watching hockey
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 25 @ 8:11 AM ET
I would like to pair him with McKenna please!

Hell I would be very OK with Hagens too...the Cold War Line!

- Glak18


So would I.

That's why you make these moves. Move Laughton and Konecny. Maybe you move Farabee and Frost. You get pieces back to help build with but you also could put yourself in position to maybe get one of those guys as well.




hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 25 @ 8:11 AM ET
Zegras and Pinto are not players you should look to trade for to play with Michkov.
- MJL

what suggestion do you have in term of the flyers tryiong to acquire or drfat a center ot play with MM?

Let's hear your train of thought. name some names
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 25 @ 8:12 AM ET
One of the all time bozos on this place. Stop watching hockey
- ClaudeFather

corky lol
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 25 @ 8:13 AM ET
Heard a contract with Michkov will not be an issue, but the Visa will take some time. I say just bring Michkov over through the southern border like everyone else, bypass the process, and be here for development camp.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 25 @ 8:16 AM ET
TK will be 28 years old when his extension kicks in. It’s anticipated that he’ll settle for nothing less than an 8 year term. That will make him 36 at the end of his contract. Chances are that he’ll insist on some sort of NTC. The rumored asking price is a ridiculous $10m per which probably means he’ll settle for somewhere between 8.5 and 9.

Flyers already have Coots signed at 7.75 per year through 2030. That’s nearly $17m tied up in two aging players that are not stars. Trading TK only boosts the prospects of a rebuild, it doesn’t set it back. That money will be needed at some point to resign Michkov, keep York and Drysdale and Foerester and eventually retain a #1 goalie. Additionally TKs value will never be higher. MM needs a team around him, not a bunch of overpriced aging veterans. Use TK to gain draft assets and prospects or YOUNG NHL players.

- mikeyo27

First it does not have to be an 8 year deal, second with Michkov here there Flyers will be instantly better and thus TK clearly fits the timeframe to contend. TK will get extended. The cap is going up, don’t worry about the money.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 25 @ 8:18 AM ET
When are you going to think about what you're saying. This rebuild is going to take over 5 years, even if they approach it the correct way. Which is unlikely. Which means it's going to take even longer. The'll improve enough to get clueless fans such as yourself on board but not enough to actually be a legit contender. They'll also get lower draft picks and never actually get to add the elite talent they need. Using free agency and trying to make to trades, putting them in the same endless circle of mediocrity that they've been in for over a decade. Think about what you're saying, which you obviously didn't. The way to sorround Michkov with real talent is to trade Konency.
- MJL

I simply don’t agree with you. It’s not going to take 5 years, and if the Flyers trade TK now they are not going to get the best return because he is due a big contract, and whatever they get back will take time to develop and then might not be as good as they hoped. I have given this a lot of thought, if you disagree do be it
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 25 @ 8:18 AM ET
When are you going to think about what you're saying. This rebuild is going to take over 5 years, even if they approach it the correct way. Which is unlikely. Which means it's going to take even longer. The'll improve enough to get clueless fans such as yourself on board but not enough to actually be a legit contender. They'll also get lower draft picks and never actually get to add the elite talent they need. Using free agency and trying to make to trades, putting them in the same endless circle of mediocrity that they've been in for over a decade. Think about what you're saying, which you obviously didn't. The way to sorround Michkov with real talent is to trade Konency.
- MJL

I simply don’t agree with you. It’s not going to take 5 years, and if the Flyers trade TK now they are not going to get the best return because he is due a big contract, and whatever they get back will take time to develop and then might not be as good as they hoped. I have given this a lot of thought, if you disagree do be it
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 25 @ 8:18 AM ET
When are you going to think about what you're saying. This rebuild is going to take over 5 years, even if they approach it the correct way. Which is unlikely. Which means it's going to take even longer. The'll improve enough to get clueless fans such as yourself on board but not enough to actually be a legit contender. They'll also get lower draft picks and never actually get to add the elite talent they need. Using free agency and trying to make to trades, putting them in the same endless circle of mediocrity that they've been in for over a decade. Think about what you're saying, which you obviously didn't. The way to sorround Michkov with real talent is to trade Konency.
- MJL

I simply don’t agree with you. It’s not going to take 5 years, and if the Flyers trade TK now they are not going to get the best return because he is due a big contract, and whatever they get back will take time to develop and then might not be as good as they hoped. I have given this a lot of thought, if you disagree do be it
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 25 @ 8:18 AM ET
When are you going to think about what you're saying. This rebuild is going to take over 5 years, even if they approach it the correct way. Which is unlikely. Which means it's going to take even longer. The'll improve enough to get clueless fans such as yourself on board but not enough to actually be a legit contender. They'll also get lower draft picks and never actually get to add the elite talent they need. Using free agency and trying to make to trades, putting them in the same endless circle of mediocrity that they've been in for over a decade. Think about what you're saying, which you obviously didn't. The way to sorround Michkov with real talent is to trade Konency.
- MJL

I simply don’t agree with you. It’s not going to take 5 years, and if the Flyers trade TK now they are not going to get the best return because he is due a big contract, and whatever they get back will take time to develop and then might not be as good as they hoped. I have given this a lot of thought, if you disagree do be it
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