The Sean walker deal passes me off. Sens could have done that money and term.

If I went online on June 30th and told you - Jakob Chychrun for Nick Jensen and a 3rd rounder, you would've told me to stay off the internet for the next few months.

This is a nothing but a horrible trade. A 34 year old D-man, who's ice team is below 20 mins a game and actually decreased from year previous ---

2022-23: 20:37
2023-24: 19:38

The Sean walker deal passes me off. Sens could have done that money and term.
- GrimmdaGoalie

100%.

Maybe players want to stay in sunny south - but Sens could've done 5 @3.8

It seems to me that the Senators have and will continue to have an extremely difficult time bringing in any of the more sought after UFA players. The same goes for any player that has any kind of movement protection.

The cold hard reality is that all of the Senators moves will either be "C Tier" UFA players signings (Perron - Overpayed?), stop gaps (Chychrun for Jensen + 3rd), or completely lucky (Ullmark's - No Trade List Backfire). There is always the elusive shrewd move but those are few and far between.

UFA players that everyone wanted (Pick a D, Any D), simply have far better options with teams / locations.
- HoweHatrick

Yikes... It's the term bring handed out here too - two years to Perron? Two years left on Jensen/preferred Jensen to TVR? Three years for Amadio? After the Ullmark home run this is a real mealy apple of a free agency.

Staios stated today that Pinto did not ask for a trade, reiterated it despite reports to the contrary, so that keeps me hopefull. IF they can get him signed, it takes the sting out of a couple questionable moves.

Staios stated today that Pinto did not ask for a trade, reiterated it despite reports to the contrary, so that keeps me hopefull. IF they can get him signed, it takes the sting out of a couple questionable moves.
- RyeDog13

The Pinto situations is a little weird, that they appear to have boxed themselves into a corner.
Did they think he'd be more accommodating after the whole suspension last season?

Staios stated today that Pinto did not ask for a trade, reiterated it despite reports to the contrary, so that keeps me hopefull. IF they can get him signed, it takes the sting out of a couple questionable moves.
- RyeDog13

why are we talking about questionable trades!! Could this deal not be made next trade deadline?? We paid A LOT to get Jakob Chychrun, this is a F*'in joke

100%.

Maybe players want to stay in sunny south - but Sens could've done 5 @3.8
- AlfieisKing

And now Carrier. Sens could have done 4 x 4 with him at least.

Staios stated today that Pinto did not ask for a trade, reiterated it despite reports to the contrary, so that keeps me hopefull. IF they can get him signed, it takes the sting out of a couple questionable moves.
- RyeDog13

Agreed.

And now Carrier. Sens could have done 4 x 4 with him at least.
- GrimmdaGoalie

Sure they could have. And they could have done the Sean Walker deal. But did you stop to think that most players don't do the deal with Ottawa, because its Ottawa.
Raleigh in Jan vs Ottawa in Jan.
We aren't the most desireable of locations.

If I went online on June 30th and told you - Jakob Chychrun for Nick Jensen and a 3rd rounder, you would've told me to stay off the internet for the next few months.

This is a nothing but a horrible trade. A 34 year old D-man, who's ice team is below 20 mins a game and actually decreased from year previous ---

2022-23: 20:37
2023-24: 19:38
- AlfieisKing

Let's wait and see if Jensen is the boost that Chabot has needed.

Regarding the Chychrun trade, I am not sure it is as bad as most have made it out to be. I think Senators fans over valued JC which every fan base does to some extent. To be fair, Staios was never going to get what Dorion paid for JC. I am not saying it was a good trade but a necessary trade. Hear me out.

Not only was there a need for a defensive RD on the roster, it sounds like that JC was not going to be signing an extension with the Senators and I am not sure there was a desire for the team to resign him. I think this is a player Jacques Martin would have given a failing grade to and I would wager his advice was to move the player prior to the start of the 24-25 season or at the earliest opportunity. JC was -30 last season. Almost twice as bad as the next worst Senator at -17 (TS). I would wager that there will be more of these "Jacques Martin" trades to come. Buckle up.

In terms of the trade mechanics / timing, I would also note that this was JC's very first season where he played 82 games. His GP in descending order in the NHL are 82, 48, 47, 56, 63, 53, 50 and 68. JC has has knee surgery in 2017, ACL surgery in 2018, and missed two months of the start of the 2022 season with a wrist injury. If it was going to happen, the trade needed to be completed now, before an almost guaranteed injury happened over the summer or into next season. I think it is fair to say that Staios looked at the situation, considered Jacques advice, and decided that holding out for more of a return or banking on moving him at the deadline would be a fools wager. He took what was offered versus potentially having no return at all and keeping him on the roster for the start of the season. With the RD need and all else being factored in, Staios took care of business and moved the player.

Regarding the Chychrun trade, I am not sure it is as bad as most have made it out to be. I think Senators fans over valued JC which every fan base does to some extent. To be fair, Staios was never going to get what Dorion paid for JC. I am not saying it was a good trade but a necessary trade. Hear me out.

Not only was there a need for a defensive RD on the roster, it sounds like that JC was not going to be signing an extension with the Senators and I am not sure there was a desire for the team to resign him. I think this is a player Jacques Martin would have given a failing grade to and I would wager his advice was to move the player prior to the start of the 24-25 season or at the earliest opportunity. JC was -30 last season. Almost twice as bad as the next worst Senator at -17 (TS). I would wager that there will be more of these "Jacques Martin" trades to come. Buckle up.

In terms of the trade mechanics / timing, I would also note that this was JC's very first season where he played 82 games. His GP in descending order in the NHL are 82, 48, 47, 56, 63, 53, 50 and 68. JC has has knee surgery in 2017, ACL surgery in 2018, and missed two months of the start of the 2022 season with a wrist injury. If it was going to happen, the trade needed to be completed now, before an almost guaranteed injury happened over the summer or into next season. I think it is fair to say that Staios looked at the situation, considered Jacques advice, and decided that holding out for more of a return or banking on moving him at the deadline would be a fools wager. He took what was offered versus potentially having no return at all and keeping him on the roster for the start of the season. With the RD need and all else being factored in, Staios took care of business and moved the player.
- HoweHatrick

remember the Ziby for Brassard trade? this is version 2.0. Delusional sens fans also justified the trade at the time.

And now Carrier. Sens could have done 4 x 4 with him at least.
- GrimmdaGoalie

These "just sign this player for this contract" statements are super easy to type out and post. Something tells me Nashville is a more sought after location than Ottawa.

remember the Ziby for Brassard trade? this is version 2.0. Delusional sens fans also justified the trade at the time.
- Mithos

Completely different circumstances with the ownership at the time.

I am sure you could have done a lot better on both deals.

I don't understand many of the moves today. Perron and Amadio are overpayments. Perron is set to regress and Amadio was a beneficiary of a talented Knights team. Gregor is just your standard 4th liner.

The Chrychrun deal really is disappointing but they now have a right hand d-man with an ok track record. I would have much rather moved Chabot (more cap relief), keep Chrychrun and signed Matt Roy to insulate the right side (ironically what the Caps now have).

With some of these moves, you have to assume there is just no hope in bringing elite talent to Ottawa via free agency. There is no allure for players whether it's a subpar city to live in and/or subpar organization to play for. I don't think the organization should trade a pick ever again. They need all they can get and then some.

I don't see a logical path for Pinto going forth. Perhaps he is the guy to be moved that was going to rustle some feathers.

Going to be much harder to clean up the mess Dorrion made than we thought.

I don't understand many of the moves today. Perron and Amadio are overpayments. Perron is set to regress and Amadio was a beneficiary of a talented Knights team. Gregor is just your standard 4th liner.

The Chrychrun deal really is disappointing but they now have a right hand d-man with an ok track record. I would have much rather moved Chabot (more cap relief), keep Chrychrun and signed Matt Roy to insulate the right side (ironically what the Caps now have).

With some of these moves, you have to assume there is just no hope in bringing elite talent to Ottawa via free agency. There is no allure for players whether it's a subpar city to live in and/or subpar organization to play for. I don't think the organization should trade a pick ever again. They need all they can get and then some.

I don't see a logical path for Pinto going forth. Perhaps he is the guy to be moved that was going to rustle some feathers.

Going to be much harder to clean up the mess Dorrion made than we thought.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Staios made Dorion look like the best GM in NHL by comparison, sure dorion trading 7th for cat and 12th for chych were colossal mistakes, but the return for chych was catastrophic, the singing of Perron a poop show and amadio a smashing head on wall wtf were thinking moment.

Dorion is 3/4 on great contracts for Sanderson, Brady and Stu got Senko to sign in OTT, something staios could not even do.

you all need to start to prepare mentaly now for Brady, Chabot and Ullmark leaving in the next 365 days because that is 100% guaranteed to happen now and Stu and Sandy in the next 730 days

Regarding the Chychrun trade, I am not sure it is as bad as most have made it out to be. I think Senators fans over valued JC which every fan base does to some extent. To be fair, Staios was never going to get what Dorion paid for JC. I am not saying it was a good trade but a necessary trade. Hear me out.

Not only was there a need for a defensive RD on the roster, it sounds like that JC was not going to be signing an extension with the Senators and I am not sure there was a desire for the team to resign him. I think this is a player Jacques Martin would have given a failing grade to and I would wager his advice was to move the player prior to the start of the 24-25 season or at the earliest opportunity. JC was -30 last season. Almost twice as bad as the next worst Senator at -17 (TS). I would wager that there will be more of these "Jacques Martin" trades to come. Buckle up.

In terms of the trade mechanics / timing, I would also note that this was JC's very first season where he played 82 games. His GP in descending order in the NHL are 82, 48, 47, 56, 63, 53, 50 and 68. JC has has knee surgery in 2017, ACL surgery in 2018, and missed two months of the start of the 2022 season with a wrist injury. If it was going to happen, the trade needed to be completed now, before an almost guaranteed injury happened over the summer or into next season. I think it is fair to say that Staios looked at the situation, considered Jacques advice, and decided that holding out for more of a return or banking on moving him at the deadline would be a fools wager. He took what was offered versus potentially having no return at all and keeping him on the roster for the start of the season. With the RD need and all else being factored in, Staios took care of business and moved the player.
- HoweHatrick

Nicely put. I agree. Jensen also only comes over for 2 more years. At that point, Yakemchuk by the 3rd year and should be ready to take his place. Ottawa needed a right d-man. They were not going to re-sign Chychrun (who may want in the range of $6-8 million which Ottawa could not do for salary cap reasons). I think that, given what we need Jensen to do, that he is perfectly capable of playing alongside Chabot and giving him the support. I just think that Jensen plays a more boring, stable game then Chychrun.

Jason York on Coming In Hot (today) has a nice take on Jensen.

I don't understand many of the moves today. Perron and Amadio are overpayments. Perron is set to regress and Amadio was a beneficiary of a talented Knights team. Gregor is just your standard 4th liner.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I think over payment is the key word in your thought. I would bet that the number of players willing to come to Ottawa via free agency are small and an over payment is the cost of acquiring players.

The Chrychrun deal really is disappointing but they now have a right hand d-man with an ok track record. I would have much rather moved Chabot (more cap relief), keep Chrychrun and signed Matt Roy to insulate the right side (ironically what the Caps now have).
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Dorion paid way too much for Chychrun. After going -30 and with his injury history, any return Staios was going to get was far less than the organization paid. If you were a GM, would you pay a 1st for Chychrun? Remember, PD paid a conditional first-round draft pick in 2023, a conditional second-round selection in 2024 (from the Capitals), and a second-round pick in 2026. That is a steep price for what JC brought to the team.

With some of these moves, you have to assume there is just no hope in bringing elite talent to Ottawa via free agency. There is no allure for players whether it's a subpar city to live in and/or subpar organization to play for. I don't think the organization should trade a pick ever again. They need all they can get and then some.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Look at the current composition of players on the Senators. How many on the roster can be considered quality free agents? Outside of Giroux and Zub, all of the quality players were drafted or landed via trade when the player had little control over the situation.

I don't see a logical path for Pinto going forth. Perhaps he is the guy to be moved that was going to rustle some feathers.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

With Pinto being a RFA, at least a few of the cards are held by the team.

Going to be much harder to clean up the mess Dorrion made than we thought.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

It is going to take a lot of work to remedy the situation on a number of fronts.

I think over payment is the key word in your thought. I would bet that the number of players willing to come to Ottawa via free agency are small and an over payment is the cost of acquiring players.



Dorion paid way too much for Chychrun. After going -30 and with his injury history, any return Staios was going to get was far less than the organization paid. If you were a GM, would you pay a 1st for Chychrun? Remember, PD paid a conditional first-round draft pick in 2023, a conditional second-round selection in 2024 (from the Capitals), and a second-round pick in 2026. That is a steep price for what JC brought to the team.



Look at the current composition of players on the Senators. How many on the roster can be considered quality free agents? Outside of Giroux and Zub, all of the quality players were drafted or landed via trade when the player had little control over the situation.



With Pinto being a RFA, at least a few of the cards are held by the team.



It is going to take a lot of work to remedy the situation on a number of fronts.
- HoweHatrick

funny because when the trade happened, EVERYONE , EVERY LAST hockey analyst from EVERY sports chanel, blog, you name it said OTT underpaid for him, this is a pathetic attempt to justify a horrible trade.

funny because when the trade happened, EVERYONE , EVERY LAST hockey analyst from EVERY sports chanel, blog, you name it said OTT underpaid for him, this is a pathetic attempt to justify a horrible trade.
- Mithos

Just to be clear, are you saying what Chychrun brought to Ottawa for the two seasons he was here was worth the price the team paid?

For the record, I like Jensen as a player. I think he should bring some improvement to the blueline and a little experience never hurts. I don't mind a variation of Sanderson, Zub, Chabot, and Jensen as your top 4.

However, if the Chrychrun deal was always about landing a right-hand d-man, you really limit yourself with the number of teams you can deal with, therefore, diminishing the full value of the asset.

It's just too bad in this situation that this team can't sign a quality free agent and trade a guy for max value regardless of position or draft pick. Until this team starts winning and providing a first-class experience for players and their families, the Sens will always be a bit behind the 8-ball.