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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 25 @ 4:25 PM ET
Are we talking in the context of trading for McGoarty? If so then I would not... most analysts thing his top end is a 2c and most believe he is a winger in the NHL.
- Flyfly

2nd line you say? That sounds like a top line Flyers player to me. Ugh.

I can’t believe anyone is entertaining this idea. Maybe if the GM changed. Briere is just not going to trade for a kid pulling the same poop he just had to trade Cutter away for. Honestly the entitlement is a massive red flag unless the kid is a cornerstone prospect like McDavid, Bedard, Matthews. Which he very much is not.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 25 @ 4:27 PM ET
Detroit just paid a 2nd to move a better dman than Risto on a cheaper contract

Even at 50% Risto's contract is arguably worse - 3 x $2.55m vs 2 x $3.4m for Walman
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 25 @ 4:27 PM ET
Using the word dictator is just a trendy thing to say now.
- Glak18


Oh trust me, I know. Like, does a deal for Ryan Johansson sound like a deal Torts is behind? Denis Gurianov?? If Torts is a dictator, he’s really bad at it. Not because the team is bad but he’s making deals for guys he doesn’t even want to begin with…
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 25 @ 4:27 PM ET
Sanheim for McG and a some sort of pick.
- mickel25


Sanheim has a full NTC.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Jun 25 @ 4:28 PM ET
2nd line you say? That sounds like a top line Flyers player to me. Ugh.

I can’t believe anyone is entertaining this idea. Maybe if the GM changed. Briere is just not going to trade for a kid pulling the same poop he just had to trade Cutter away for. Honestly the entitlement is a massive red flag unless the kid is a cornerstone prospect like McDavid, Bedard, Matthews. Which he very much is not.

- hereticpride

Do you think the Ducks saw it as a massive red flag?

When you have the potential to acquire talent you do it; this type of situation is not one where you exclude a player.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 25 @ 4:29 PM ET
2nd line you say? That sounds like a top line Flyers player to me. Ugh.

I can’t believe anyone is entertaining this idea. Maybe if the GM changed. Briere is just not going to trade for a kid pulling the same poop he just had to trade Cutter away for. Honestly the entitlement is a massive red flag unless the kid is a cornerstone prospect like McDavid, Bedard, Matthews. Which he very much is not.

- hereticpride


Agreed... I rather go another route honestly. Red flags are never a good thing. Most analysts think he is a winger in the NHL. His skating apparently is not very good either.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 25 @ 4:29 PM ET
How much input is he getting? You tell us. You just claimed he’s a dictator. Back up your statement.
- roenick97


Hayes traded at 50% for 3 years

Angelo bought out

They tried to move Sanheim but Krug blocked it

All players who clashed with Torts
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 25 @ 4:30 PM ET
Do you think the Ducks saw it as a massive red flag?

When you have the potential to acquire talent you do it; this type of situation is not one where you exclude a player.

- furio16


I understand the part about the Ducks but this kid is not going to be CG type player. He might do very well but most likely he is another swingman that will play at wing in the NHL.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 25 @ 4:30 PM ET
Oh trust me, I know. Like, does a deal for Ryan Johansson sound like a deal Torts is behind? Denis Gurianov?? If Torts is a dictator, he’s really bad at it. Not because the team is bad but he’s making deals for guys he doesn’t even want to begin with…
- roenick97

I don’t view him as any sort of dictator. He’s a coach with a philosophy and if you aren’t getting him pieces that fit that then it’s sort of like what are we doing here...

I think he would agree with that and the front office would too.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 25 @ 4:34 PM ET
I don’t view him as any sort of dictator. He’s a coach with a philosophy and if you aren’t getting him pieces that fit that then it’s sort of like what are we doing here...

I think he would agree with that and the front office would too.

- hereticpride

I think that’s exactly what this is and what it should be. It’s a little naive to believe the coach doesn’t get a say as to who plays on his team and fits the mold he’s looking for.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 25 @ 4:35 PM ET
Hayes traded at 50% for 3 years

Angelo bought out

They tried to move Sanheim but Krug blocked it

All players who clashed with Torts

- Feanor

Wait…so you don’t want to shed salary on this team that should he rebuilding? Is this what I’m reading?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 25 @ 4:37 PM ET


Generative AI is getting out of hand...
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 25 @ 4:38 PM ET


Generative AI is getting out of hand...

- Tomahawk

They couldn’t decide if they were putting an 8 or a 9 on his back…
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 25 @ 4:40 PM ET
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jun 25 @ 4:51 PM ET
Hayes traded at 50% for 3 years

Angelo bought out

They tried to move Sanheim but Krug blocked it

All players who clashed with Torts

- Feanor


Sanheim clashed with Tortorella?
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

Jun 25 @ 4:55 PM ET
If this McScroaty kid is really a 6’1” 205 lb 20 year old with the real potential of being a 1C, and you’re convinced you can sign him, you make the trade. You acquire him and bring him in. The Flyers can promise him his ELC and a legit chance at playing center for a bottom dweller in a rebuild. Big solid 1Cs aren’t easy to get. Anaheim doesn’t seem to have any issues with Quitter. So I say GMDB needs to do his due diligence and if the kid is a fit you pull the trigger. Period.

Edit: I know nothing about this player other than he’s a big body with good reviews of his abilities. Never watched him.

- mikeyo27


He’s listed primarily as a RW. But some places say he can play both wing and center. I haven’t seen anywhere that he projects as a 1C. If they think he can be a solid middle 6 center, I’m fine with DB looking into it. If he’s only going to be a winger, I’d rather they use assets for a true C prospect or draft picks.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 25 @ 4:56 PM ET
Sanheim clashed with Tortorella?
- Dkos

I don’t think anyone here knows what they’re talking about. I’m sure a few people will be quick to call me the kettle but this current argument was pretty easy to pick apart.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Jun 25 @ 4:58 PM ET


Generative AI is getting out of hand...

- Tomahawk

Alumni game cup ?
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 25 @ 5:08 PM ET
Alumni game cup ?
- furio16


Cover art for the new BSB Hockey game...Ice Hockey has evolved.

Not only do you get skinny guy, fat guy and the middle guy....now there is short stocky guy (the best of all of them).
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 25 @ 5:09 PM ET
He’s listed primarily as a RW. But some places say he can play both wing and center. I haven’t seen anywhere that he projects as a 1C. If they think he can be a solid middle 6 center, I’m fine with DB looking into it. If he’s only going to be a winger, I’d rather they use assets for a true C prospect or draft picks.
- Schmojo


I’m not sure the Flyers want a kid that essentially is doing to Winnipeg what Quitter did to them. With that said…circumstances matter. I don’t know enough about him to know if he’s a fit.
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

Jun 25 @ 5:14 PM ET
I think that’s exactly what this is and what it should be. It’s a little naive to believe the coach doesn’t get a say as to who plays on his team and fits the mold he’s looking for.
- roenick97


Torts mentioned they asked him to review video on Drysdale before the trade. He’s not out there dictating trades to Briere but they definitely will get his input. They wanted to see if Drysdale was a player that could improve defensively and Torts felt he was which is why they were comfortable making the deal for him. Torts has said too, he wants to help improve his defensive game without taking away his offense. A lot of teams do this.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 25 @ 5:20 PM ET
Torts mentioned they asked him to review video on Drysdale before the trade. He’s not out there dictating trades to Briere but they definitely will get his input. They wanted to see if Drysdale was a player that could improve defensively and Torts felt he was which is why they were comfortable making the deal for him. Torts has said too, he wants to help improve his defensive game without taking away his offense. A lot of teams do this.
- Schmojo

All of this sounds reasonable to me. We knew about Drysdale’s offensive upside coming in. Former high draft pick. If he’s defenseman, you want him to play good defense. So why wouldn’t you ask the coach’s input prior to a trade?
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

Jun 25 @ 5:24 PM ET
I’m not sure the Flyers want a kid that essentially is doing to Winnipeg what Quitter did to them. With that said…circumstances matter. I don’t know enough about him to know if he’s a fit.
- landros 2


I agree, I’d have reservations about acquiring him but it doesn’t hurt to look into it. If they do their homework and want to make the move then fine. But looking into it, he played with Gauthier not only with USNTDP but as far back as 13U Honeybaked. I can’t imagine there isn’t at least a little connection to these 2 things. His dad played lower level minor leagues, is also a former USHL head coach, and is now a coach and GM with Honeybaked. Gauthier’s dad was also a minor league goalie. It wouldn’t surprise me if there’s a little bit of career management happening from their dads.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 25 @ 5:25 PM ET
any player is worth at least a 7th
- corduroy

facts say otherwsie
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 25 @ 5:27 PM ET

- Tomahawk


Funny Button picked Parascak as a sleeper, he was my Pasta pick as well.
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