Pav to the hall of fame! Well done sir

https://www.prohockeyrumo...-inductees-announced.html
- Jeremy Laura

Pav to the hall of fame! Well done sir

https://www.prohockeyrumo...-inductees-announced.html
- Jeremy Laura

Must see TV!!! for once! Maybe Ozzy can ride his coat tails!

I’d do it though I’d like to see what Buium can do in the pros.
- Feds91Stammer

+1 on this

Must see TV!!! for once! Maybe Ozzy can ride his coat tails!

- HenryHockey

Based on the goalies from last years class Ozzie should be in

https://x.com/user/status/1805695112590115028

Holland Done as GM of the Oilers

Based on the goalies from last years class Ozzie should be in
- Feds91Stammer

https://x.com/user/status/1805695112590115028

Holland Done as GM of the Oilers
- HenryHockey

Some are already saying that Stevie should succeed him!!!

Wasn't the biggest fan of walman but that is a very confusing move, unless future considerations are actually somewhat significant here?

Wasn't the biggest fan of walman but that is a very confusing move, unless future considerations are actually somewhat significant here?
- tmanv

Straight up baffling.

One possible guess is that Walman was hurt way worse at the end of last season than was reported and it will continue to impact his play well into this season. That's pure speculation but I figure there has to be something going on behind the scenes with him because I refuse to believe that Yzerman is this stupid.

Not saying Walman is an all-star by any means but he's a solid two-way second pair guy on a perfectly reasonable contract. I'm not surprised he got traded but that's because he was one of two veteran guys on the blueline (along with Maatta) that I felt actually had positive trade value. On the surface it makes absolutely no sense to me that Detroit would need to pay an extra pick just to dump the contract.

Even if it's a pure cost cutting move and Walman was the easiest to flip, you're telling me not one team in the entire NHL was willing to spend even a late round pick on Jake Walman at $3.4 million?

Straight up baffling.

One possible guess is that Walman was hurt way worse at the end of last season than was reported and it will continue to impact his play well into this season. That's pure speculation but I figure there has to be something going on behind the scenes with him because I refuse to believe that Yzerman is this stupid.

Not saying Walman is an all-star by any means but he's a solid two-way second pair guy on a perfectly reasonable contract. I'm not surprised he got traded but that's because he was one of two veteran guys on the blueline (along with Maatta) that I felt actually had positive trade value. On the surface it makes absolutely no sense to me that Detroit would need to pay an extra pick just to dump the contract.

Even if it's a pure cost cutting move and Walman was the easiest to flip, you're telling me not one team in the entire NHL was willing to spend even a late round pick on Jake Walman at $3.4 million?
- Sven22

I'm guessing his injury is a chronic condition.

Straight up baffling.

One possible guess is that Walman was hurt way worse at the end of last season than was reported and it will continue to impact his play well into this season. That's pure speculation but I figure there has to be something going on behind the scenes with him because I refuse to believe that Yzerman is this stupid.

Not saying Walman is an all-star by any means but he's a solid two-way second pair guy on a perfectly reasonable contract. I'm not surprised he got traded but that's because he was one of two veteran guys on the blueline (along with Maatta) that I felt actually had positive trade value. On the surface it makes absolutely no sense to me that Detroit would need to pay an extra pick just to dump the contract.

Even if it's a pure cost cutting move and Walman was the easiest to flip, you're telling me not one team in the entire NHL was willing to spend even a late round pick on Jake Walman at $3.4 million?
- Sven22

Along with the other comments, this one took me back. And they stapled a 2nd to him. It sounded like a bad muscle issue that took him down. Opens some cap space. Just not the trade I was expecting or even thinking about.

I'm guessing his injury is a chronic condition.
- todd3066

That's what LTIR is for then, otherwise it's a asset mismanagement of epic proportions

That's what LTIR is for then, otherwise it's a asset mismanagement of epic proportions
- StargateSG1

Yeah, it wouldn’t cost a 2nd to just put someone on LTIR. It went from quiet to a pretty busy day out of nowhere.

Yeah, it wouldn’t cost a 2nd to just put someone on LTIR. It went from quiet to a pretty busy day out of nowhere.
- Jeremy Laura

Or just put him on waivers, someone would definitely pick him up...
All in all, this is nuts

Yzerman is gradually damaging his own legacy. This is extremely terrible asset management. Our drafting has not improved under him. Our pro scouts remain borderline incompetent - like who pushed for Holl, Copp, Chiarot, Husso? Cap management has been terrible and is now becoming evident as key players graduate from ELCs. And now trading - like how many trades can we say Yzerman came out a winner? Very few. This Walman deal is one of the worst. But there are many others.

We gave up Lindstrom and a 4th round pick to acquire Petry. But now we attach a 2nd to move Walman?

Remember how we took on Yamamoto's $3.1M contract and got no draft picks in return. Instead our sweetener was the rights to Klim Kostin (good work pro scouts). We extend Kostin for $2M x 2 years, and after 33 games we dump him for a 7th round pick. Meanwhile we carried dead cap space from the Yamamoto buyout.

This is just brutal management.

I actually have a theory...we approached San Jose to take Holl and offered a 2nd as the sweetener. They said no. But SJ noted that Walman has the exact same $3.4M cap hit. We'd do the deal for him. Yzerman agrees, forgetting that Holl has negative value whereas Walman doesn't. Brutal. I hope Yzerman quits before the rest of the fanbase eventually clues in to the atrocious work so far.

I find it nearly impossible to believe Walman was such a liability it took a 2nd to move him. At worst he seems like a fair value cap hit. He's performed pretty well given the deployment he received. The fact Drury was able to lose Goodrow for nothing to SJS and SJS needed a 2nd to take Walman is wildly inconsistent player values.

I find it nearly impossible to believe Walman was such a liability it took a 2nd to move him. At worst he seems like a fair value cap hit. He's performed pretty well given the deployment he received. The fact Drury was able to lose Goodrow for nothing to SJS and SJS needed a 2nd to take Walman is wildly inconsistent player values.
- jfkst1

Utah currently has ZERO defensemen signed for next season. ZERO. Even if you assume they qualify RFAs like Durzi, Moser, and Valimaki, they still need 4 more d-men to fill out a roster, and of course they have like $45M of cap space to work with. So are you telling me Yzerman couldn't just give them Walman for future considerations? OK, we'll attach a 7th. No? OK, a 6th. Still no? Walman + 3rd for nothing in return. Still no. OK. We'll give SJ a 2nd then. Seriously, you needed to attach a 2nd round pick to shed a guy who is 28, has good size, just scored 12 goals and 21 points, was respectable defensively, and has a $3.4M cap hit.

If Ken Holland did this people would be ranting and raving. But it's Yzerman. He knows everything.

Yzerman is gradually damaging his own legacy. This is extremely terrible asset management. Our drafting has not improved under him. Our pro scouts remain borderline incompetent - like who pushed for Holl, Copp, Chiarot, Husso? Cap management has been terrible and is now becoming evident as key players graduate from ELCs. And now trading - like how many trades can we say Yzerman came out a winner? Very few. This Walman deal is one of the worst. But there are many others.

We gave up Lindstrom and a 4th round pick to acquire Petry. But now we attach a 2nd to move Walman?

Remember how we took on Yamamoto's $3.1M contract and got no draft picks in return. Instead our sweetener was the rights to Klim Kostin (good work pro scouts). We extend Kostin for $2M x 2 years, and after 33 games we dump him for a 7th round pick. Meanwhile we carried dead cap space from the Yamamoto buyout.

This is just brutal management.

I actually have a theory...we approached San Jose to take Holl and offered a 2nd as the sweetener. They said no. But SJ noted that Walman has the exact same $3.4M cap hit. We'd do the deal for him. Yzerman agrees, forgetting that Holl has negative value whereas Walman doesn't. Brutal. I hope Yzerman quits before the rest of the fanbase eventually clues in to the atrocious work so far.
- Cooleus

Who do you think Yzerman is targeting?

Pav to the hall of fame! Well done sir

https://www.prohockeyrumo...-inductees-announced.html
- Jeremy Laura

Was "Pav" actually a nickname for him? I never heard that before.

I was very confused about why you were talking about Joe Pavelski, especially since he's not retired.

Yzerman is gradually damaging his own legacy. This is extremely terrible asset management. Our drafting has not improved under him. Our pro scouts remain borderline incompetent - like who pushed for Holl, Copp, Chiarot, Husso? Cap management has been terrible and is now becoming evident as key players graduate from ELCs. And now trading - like how many trades can we say Yzerman came out a winner? Very few. This Walman deal is one of the worst. But there are many others.

We gave up Lindstrom and a 4th round pick to acquire Petry. But now we attach a 2nd to move Walman?

Remember how we took on Yamamoto's $3.1M contract and got no draft picks in return. Instead our sweetener was the rights to Klim Kostin (good work pro scouts). We extend Kostin for $2M x 2 years, and after 33 games we dump him for a 7th round pick. Meanwhile we carried dead cap space from the Yamamoto buyout.

This is just brutal management.

I actually have a theory...we approached San Jose to take Holl and offered a 2nd as the sweetener. They said no. But SJ noted that Walman has the exact same $3.4M cap hit. We'd do the deal for him. Yzerman agrees, forgetting that Holl has negative value whereas Walman doesn't. Brutal. I hope Yzerman quits before the rest of the fanbase eventually clues in to the atrocious work so far.
- Cooleus

On the surface, I can't figure this one out either. And no, he has not been perfect, but neither has any GM in the history of hockey.
What I will say is that they have been steadily climbing in the standings each of the last few seasons and they are now ranked as having one of the top prospect pools in hockey.
I'll happily take that progress.
There is also excitement and energy around the team and organization again which had been lacking for several years. I think we can all agree that more moves are on the horizon and I am absolutely pumped to see what comes next.

Maybe Y buys out Holl and targets Vincent Desharnais for the RS.

I'm just curious why some think that the team that's had arguably the worst five-year period of draft luck, should have turned their team around in half of the time it took most other teams. I would suggest that all of the experts who know way more about running an NHL hockey team than Yzerman, and who know way more about scouting 17-year-old players than one of the largest scouting programs in the NHL, should probably wait to see how things play out. If you think Yzerman dumped Walman and a 2nd just to get rid of $3.4 million in cap space, well...let's just say irresponsible decisions were made during conception. Not every move is a stand-alone move. and this certainly wasn't one.

If you think you'd have Detroit in contention within the five years Yzerman has had, you haven't paid much attention to hockey history. It took Colorado 9 years from the time they started their rebuild to compete for a cup. Edmonton started their rebuild in 2011 and it took them 13 years to compete for a cup. It took TB 11 years to compete, Florida started their rebuild more than 12 years ago. Heck, Toronto is STILL in their rebuild. All of those teams had something Detroit hasn't had, draft luck. Edm had four #1s, a #3 and a #7 in six years. Col, FL & TB all had #1 picks. When he took the job, Yzerman warned this was going to take a long time, but apparently the expectation by Detroit fans, is he should have accomplished it in half the time that most other teams do.

I'm just curious why some think that the team that's had arguably the worst five-year period of draft luck, should have turned their team around in half of the time it took most other teams. I would suggest that all of the experts who know way more about running an NHL hockey team than Yzerman, and who know way more about scouting 17-year-old players than one of the largest scouting programs in the NHL, should probably wait to see how things play out. If you think Yzerman dumped Walman and a 2nd just to get rid of $3.4 million in cap space, well...let's just say irresponsible decisions were made during conception. Not every move is a stand-alone move. and this certainly wasn't one.

If you think you'd have Detroit in contention within the five years Yzerman has had, you haven't paid much attention to hockey history. It took Colorado 9 years from the time they started their rebuild to compete for a cup. Edmonton started their rebuild in 2011 and it took them 13 years to compete for a cup. It took TB 11 years to compete, Florida started their rebuild more than 12 years ago. Heck, Toronto is STILL in their rebuild. All of those teams had something Detroit hasn't had, draft luck. Edm had four #1s, a #3 and a #7 in six years. Col, FL & TB all had #1 picks. When he took the job, Yzerman warned this was going to take a long time, but apparently the expectation by Detroit fans, is he should have accomplished it in half the time that most other teams do.
- bluelineenforcer

THIS!!!!!

I'm just curious why some think that the team that's had arguably the worst five-year period of draft luck, should have turned their team around in half of the time it took most other teams. I would suggest that all of the experts who know way more about running an NHL hockey team than Yzerman, and who know way more about scouting 17-year-old players than one of the largest scouting programs in the NHL, should probably wait to see how things play out. If you think Yzerman dumped Walman and a 2nd just to get rid of $3.4 million in cap space, well...let's just say irresponsible decisions were made during conception. Not every move is a stand-alone move. and this certainly wasn't one.

If you think you'd have Detroit in contention within the five years Yzerman has had, you haven't paid much attention to hockey history. It took Colorado 9 years from the time they started their rebuild to compete for a cup. Edmonton started their rebuild in 2011 and it took them 13 years to compete for a cup. It took TB 11 years to compete, Florida started their rebuild more than 12 years ago. Heck, Toronto is STILL in their rebuild. All of those teams had something Detroit hasn't had, draft luck. Edm had four #1s, a #3 and a #7 in six years. Col, FL & TB all had #1 picks. When he took the job, Yzerman warned this was going to take a long time, but apparently the expectation by Detroit fans, is he should have accomplished it in half the time that most other teams do.
- bluelineenforcer

That’s cool and all but you can still be critical of moves you feel are poor value. I never cared for Walman much so I’m not bothered by the move but the general consensus is he shouldn’t have been a cap dump that required a 2nd to get rid of.

I'm just curious why some think that the team that's had arguably the worst five-year period of draft luck, should have turned their team around in half of the time it took most other teams. I would suggest that all of the experts who know way more about running an NHL hockey team than Yzerman, and who know way more about scouting 17-year-old players than one of the largest scouting programs in the NHL, should probably wait to see how things play out. If you think Yzerman dumped Walman and a 2nd just to get rid of $3.4 million in cap space, well...let's just say irresponsible decisions were made during conception. Not every move is a stand-alone move. and this certainly wasn't one.

If you think you'd have Detroit in contention within the five years Yzerman has had, you haven't paid much attention to hockey history. It took Colorado 9 years from the time they started their rebuild to compete for a cup. Edmonton started their rebuild in 2011 and it took them 13 years to compete for a cup. It took TB 11 years to compete, Florida started their rebuild more than 12 years ago. Heck, Toronto is STILL in their rebuild. All of those teams had something Detroit hasn't had, draft luck. Edm had four #1s, a #3 and a #7 in six years. Col, FL & TB all had #1 picks. When he took the job, Yzerman warned this was going to take a long time, but apparently the expectation by Detroit fans, is he should have accomplished it in half the time that most other teams do.
- bluelineenforcer

I guess the anomaly is the NYR and maybe the Dallas rebuilds (retool for Dallas?). But there again NYR had lottery luck and Dallas had very savvy drafting (luck?). But I have to chirp a little and say Y has been missing on his asset management and not getting full value for his trades as of late. The Walman trade is just brutal unless SJ has something of value to give back at a later date.