Getting on the record

1-Trading Trouba is a mistake and much more so if we retain any amount. There’s no way to replace what he brings especially if we retain 2.5 million

2- Let igor go if he wants north of 9.5m. Not good money allocation imo
- Greschnergy#4

1. 8m on the books for a 3rd pairing defender who will very obviously lose a step on his skating and will decline is ATROCIOUS use of money. Trouba will need to be gone, whether its this year or next year in order to resign LAF, Shesty and Miller. Do it while you can and its not costing you 50% retention.

2. So teams can pay their best forwards 11-12m to score, but the best goalie in the world doesnt deserve 11-12m to stop them?

Getting on the record

1-Trading Trouba is a mistake and much more so if we retain any amount. There’s no way to replace what he brings especially if we retain 2.5 million

2- Let igor go if he wants north of 9.5m. Not good money allocation imo
- Greschnergy#4

Agree with both points.

Regarding Igor and the whole goalie value thing, goalies are dependent to a certain degree on the team infront of them. Put a team that has poor puck possession, porous defense etc, and it will make the best goalie in the world look mediocre.

On the flip side, take an average goalie and put a great defense infront of him, and he’s going to look like a superstar.

Sure, will the best goalie make a few more saves than the average one? Yes. Will it be enough to make up the difference of having a poor defense vs a great one? I don’t think so. Just my opinion.

Agree with both points.
- nyrangers9479

For me, it’s only a mistake if that 8m is not deployed well. We need a real improvement in the top 6, tougher support players in the bottom 6, and then a replacement for the Trouba spot. That’s a lot to ask of a GM, but it’s the only way trading Trouba makes sense. Otherwise this team will be worse off.

I’m interested in these big guys for the fourth line (Edstrom, Rempe, etc). That could be a good way to keep it cheap and beef up a little. Even centered by Brodz would be ok…

1. 8m on the books for a 3rd pairing defender who will very obviously lose a step on his skating and will decline is ATROCIOUS use of money. Trouba will need to be gone, whether its this year or next year in order to resign LAF, Shesty and Miller. Do it while you can and its not costing you 50% retention.

2. So teams can pay their best forwards 11-12m to score, but the best goalie in the world doesnt deserve 11-12m to stop them?
- aecliptic

He is overpaid, true but we must replace his 20 minutes a night and first unit PK - so some of the 8 million (6.5m) goes to the replacement, which will be an inferior replacement as a third line pairing

I don’t think any goalies is worth that - i have a philosophical diff with you

This isn't to say I don't want Shesty to re-sign, but my opinion is a great goalie with a mediocre team will only get you so far. A mediocre goalie with a great team can win a cup.

Point 3

Trading Kakko because he didnt live up to his draft spot is stupid. 2.4m is a bargin. If we are blown away with an offer- fine!

This isn't to say I don't want Shesty to re-sign, but my opinion is a great goalie with a mediocre team will only get you so far. A mediocre goalie with a great team can win a cup.
- mdw7413

Exactly what I was trying to say above.

He is overpaid, true but we must replace his 20 minutes a night and first unit PK - so some of the 8 million goes to the replacement, which will be an inferior replacement as a third line pairing

I don’t think any goalies is worth that - i have a philosophical diff with you
- Greschnergy#4

Trouba is not that great to begin with. Hes a good defenseman. However, I think Schneider has surpassed Trouba on the depth chart. So to pay 8m for a 3rd pairing defenseman seems a bit rough especially given the cap constraints we have and a dire need for a #1 RW.

Point 3

Trading Kakko because he didnt live up to his draft spot is stupid. 2.4m is a bargin. If we are blown away with an offer- fine!
- Greschnergy#4

Im ok with Kakko, its Chytil that irks me. I will beat this drum until my face goes purple, hes not a 3C. Combined with the fact that hes got this bad concussion history, this is a position that needs to be addressed.

Exactly what I was trying to say above.
- nyrangers9479

I mean the Hank era pretty much sums it up. Best goalie in the NHL for many seasons, no cup.

I mean the Hank era pretty much sums it up. Best goalie in the NHL for many seasons, no cup.
- mdw7413

Yup

Trouba is not that great to begin with. Hes a good defenseman. However, I think Schneider has surpassed Trouba on the depth chart. So to pay 8m for a 3rd pairing defenseman seems a bit rough especially given the cap constraints we have and a dire need for a #1 RW.
- aecliptic

Trouba is a very good dman, just slightly overpaid. If he was making 6.5, we aren’t even having this convo. I understand why we’re having it, but to say he’s not good is a little naive.

Trouba is a very good dman, just slightly overpaid. If he was making 6.5, we aren’t even having this convo. I understand why we’re having it, but to say he’s not good is a little naive.
- nyrangers9479

I said hes good, but theres plenty of good defensemen out there that you can sign for 1.5-2m to play on the 3rd pairing. Thats an additional 4 million dollars to address issues in the offense.

I said hes good, but theres plenty of good defensemen out there that you can sign for 1.5-2m to play on the 3rd pairing. Thats an additional 4 million dollars to address issues in the offense.
- aecliptic

Please, you’d be complaining after the first 10 games how sucky the player was

I mean the Hank era pretty much sums it up. Best goalie in the NHL for many seasons, no cup.
- mdw7413

Without Hank or Igor this franchise is irrelevant the last 20 years. I’ll pay for a goalie lol

At least they made some runs and had a chance

I mean the Hank era pretty much sums it up. Best goalie in the NHL for many seasons, no cup.
- mdw7413

But at the same time, if we didnt have Hank, we would be a bubble team, if that. Were in the same position we were in in 2014. Phenomenal goalie, a good defense and an offense that from game 4 of the Hurricanes series until game 6 of the Panthers series just did not show up.

Please, you’d be complaining after the first 10 games how sucky the player was
- Greschnergy#4

We complain about anyone, no one is exempt from the wrath of a Rangers fan.

Getting on the record

1-Trading Trouba is a mistake and much more so if we retain any amount. There’s no way to replace what he brings especially if we retain 2.5 million

2- Let igor go if he wants north of 9.5m. Not good money allocation imo
- Greschnergy#4

I always laugh at what he brings. Trouba brings shot blocks and hits. The rangers paid for a Porsche and have a Honda civic. That’s pretty easy to replace at a lot less.

Without Hank or Igor this franchise is irrelevant the last 20 years. I’ll pay for a goalie lol

At least they made some runs and had a chance
- TPC

They forced themselves into this by not building the roster good enough 5v5 around these goalies. Gotta fix that

Troop is holding all the cards they’re gonna have to buy them out and they won’t be saving $8 million as for sure. as much as I like Igor, hamstring the team with a $12 million a year contract

Troop is holding all the cards they’re gonna have to buy them out and they won’t be saving $8 million as for sure. as much as I like Igor, hamstring the team with a $12 million a year contract
- mattstake

Not really. He would be with a full nmc. They can trade him if he doesn’t block certain teams or waive him

1. 8m on the books for a 3rd pairing defender who will very obviously lose a step on his skating and will decline is ATROCIOUS use of money. Trouba will need to be gone, whether its this year or next year in order to resign LAF, Shesty and Miller. Do it while you can and its not costing you 50% retention.

2. So teams can pay their best forwards 11-12m to score, but the best goalie in the world doesnt deserve 11-12m to stop them?
- aecliptic

^^^^^^
Point 2:
That's absolutely correct! The best goalie in the world is NOT going to play EVERY game! You can't pay him the same as a top skater because he will only play 55 or so games! Top skater could play ALL games, thus the higher salary.

^^^^^^
Point 2:
That's absolutely correct! The best goalie in the world is NOT going to play EVERY game! You can't pay him the same as a top skater because he will only play 55 or so games! Top skater could play ALL games, thus the higher salary.
- TommyGTrain

When it matters most, how many games does the goalie miss in the playoffs?

Also… Skaters play about 20 mins a game give or take. Goalies are out there the entire time. Goalies will be out there, withstanding flurries for minute after minute, while the skaters are changing lines, the goalie continues to be out there preparing for the next shot.

They forced themselves into this by not building the roster good enough 5v5 around these goalies. Gotta fix that
- nyrangers2

So if they couldn’t do it in 20 years with those goalies, what makes you think they would have built it out better without a high price goalie? An extra 6-7 million in cap space wouldn’t have changed anything