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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 29 @ 5:41 PM ET
Guys I’m hearing the flyers are interested in stamkos marner guentzel necas
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 29 @ 5:43 PM ET
There are MANY examples in the last 10 years at least...

Where are all the people wagged their fingers at the people who questioned the Rubstov and O'Brien's picks?

"How dare you question them, they are experts and know better than you!!!"

Not even counting all the other places I visit, Bill's blog alone has done a better job at scouting talent, predicting the winners/losers of drafts and when a pick is bad. People may want to say "Oh those armchair GMs and their guessing". Why can't the Flyers guess better than a bunch of nobodies on a HockeyBuzz forum?

I don't understand how in 2024 there are people still giving the Flyers the benefit of the doubt with their history. Shame on those fake fans.

- Glak18

I remember a lot of people questioning the O’Brien pick since he was just a high schooler
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jun 29 @ 5:45 PM ET
Guys I’m hearing the flyers are interested in stamkos marner guentzel necas
- 2Real

Sounds like EK after his third whiskey bottle 🍼 🤔
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 29 @ 5:49 PM ET
Sounds like EK after his third whiskey bottle 🍼 🤔
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Trust me guys my sources say so😎
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jun 29 @ 5:51 PM ET
I haven’t paid attention to day 2 of the draft at all. Did the Flyers pick up anyone interesting?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 29 @ 5:52 PM ET
Yes that’s a fair point. I don’t react that way tho. Personally I do watch minor hockey. Admittedly didn’t watch tons last season or really season before. But there usually is pretty close idea on players somewhat ranked top 20-30 players. Yes not 100% but in instance of a reach (see sennecke/see Jett) it’s pretty safe to say for example ducks were morons to take sennecke at 3. Not because of the puck or players in itself but it was clear they could’ve traded back. And added assets. Same for flyers.


Leaving a player (Zeev) on board who most people say has potential to have high end talent that no one had projected to be at 12 and the very thing you claim to need (high end talent) and the moronic excuse db gave for passing on him coupled with a reach makes for almost certainly a mistake.

We see it over and over. Yes not only flyers do this but lately Philly does not make the correct move. It really is amazing. Its status quo.

- Stayin alive

If Zeev was that good why did so many teams pass on him? He was supposed to be the 2nd or 3rd best defenseman in the draft according to a lot of publications I read. He may be a great NHL player, but then again he may not. To use a quote from A Few Good Men, "its the difference between paper law and trial law". I trust the professional scouts that are actually getting paid by NHL teams over some former or retired scouts that watch some film and put a mock draft together.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 29 @ 6:00 PM ET
I haven’t paid attention to day 2 of the draft at all. Did the Flyers pick up anyone interesting?
- Dkos

Feel like they’re just a bunch of projects given this is a weaker draft
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 29 @ 6:02 PM ET
If Zeev was that good why did so many teams pass on him? He was supposed to be the 2nd or 3rd best defenseman in the draft according to a lot of publications I read. He may be a great NHL player, but then again he may not. To use a quote from A Few Good Men, "its the difference between paper law and trial law". I trust the professional scouts that are actually getting paid by NHL teams over some former or retired scouts that watch some film and put a mock draft together.
- jd250

who cares what other teams did.

do you in your opinion think they took the BPA?

yeah trust the scouts who may not get any nhl level contribution from the 21 and 22 drafts. Only 1 from 20. 1 or possibly 2 from 19. 1 from 18. yeah great job so far.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Jun 29 @ 6:07 PM ET
how you keep em coming I will never understand. your good.
- hello it's me 2050


Go to night school you dumb (frank)
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Jun 29 @ 6:07 PM ET
who cares what other teams did.

do you in your opinion think they took the BPA?

yeah trust the scouts who may not get any nhl level contribution from the 21 and 22 drafts. Only 1 from 20. 1 or possibly 2 from 19. 1 from 18. yeah great job so far.

- hello it's me 2050


No one is going to know who the bpa was for years.
It would have been better for DB said that they weren’t convinced that ZB’s game would translate as well to the NHL than say he’s going to be a very good player but we were concerned about his size.
Trading one of the other dman is also an option.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 29 @ 6:08 PM ET
If Zeev was that good why did so many teams pass on him? He was supposed to be the 2nd or 3rd best defenseman in the draft according to a lot of publications I read. He may be a great NHL player, but then again he may not. To use a quote from A Few Good Men, "it’s the difference between paper law and trial law". I trust the professional scouts that are actually getting paid by NHL teams over some former or retired scouts that watch some film and put a mock draft together.
- jd250

Here is the difference, which shouldn’t have to be spelled out but apparently needs to be: The teams that passed on Zeev all drafted highly touted prospects, not a guy that tops out as a maybe a 3C and is at least 2-3 years away. Thats the issue.

We watched a decade of Giroux not having enough around him and the Flyers, by their own self-infliction, just passed over a possible top pairing D man because he’s similar in size to some less talented and injury prone players they already have. The stupidity of this franchise knows no bounds and will continue to do so while Comcast is choosing the people that run things.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 29 @ 6:08 PM ET
Go to night school you dumb (frank)
- anti-lame

how do you continue to top your prior post?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 29 @ 6:09 PM ET
No one is going to know who the bpa was for years.
It would have been better for DB said that they weren’t convinced that ZB’s game would translate as well to the NHL than say he’s going to be a very good player but we were concerned about his size.
Trading one of the other dman is also an option.

- bird_dog_pa

talking BPA at the time of the draft.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Jun 29 @ 6:10 PM ET
Here is the difference, which shouldn’t have to be spelled out but apparently needs to be: The teams that passed on Zeev all drafted highly touted prospects, not a guy that tops out as a maybe a 3C and is at least 2-3 years away. Thats the issue.

We watched a decade of Giroux not having enough around him and the Flyers, by their own self-infliction, just passed over a possible top pairing D man because he’s similar in size to some less talented and injury prone players they already have. The stupidity of this franchise knows no bounds and will continue to do so while Comcast is choosing the people that run things.

- hereticpride


This is completely unfounded
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 29 @ 6:10 PM ET
This is completely unfounded
- anti-lame

have you confirmed it?

why didnt you bold the part he said possible?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 29 @ 6:10 PM ET
"We have no idea when he will be healthy so we just have to take it one day at a time right now"
- Danny Briere when asked about Ryan Johannsen

No dout in my mind RJ is faking an injury so he can't be sent down to the minors and can be bought out. What a scumbag! Fine, let him rot on LTIR all season. Of course with RJ and Ellis on LTIR, that is $10M+ on LTIR, which bites.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 29 @ 6:12 PM ET
No dout in my mind RJ is faking an injury so he can't be sent down to the minors and can be bought out. What a scumbag! Fine, let him rot on LTIR all season. Of course with RJ and Ellis on LTIR, that is $10M+ on LTIR, which bites.
- jd250

how does a GM have "no idea"? does he not talk to the medical staff?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 29 @ 6:14 PM ET
This is completely unfounded
- anti-lame

Uh no lol. Briere literally said it
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 29 @ 6:15 PM ET
who cares what other teams did.

do you in your opinion think they took the BPA?

yeah trust the scouts who may not get any nhl level contribution from the 21 and 22 drafts. Only 1 from 20. 1 or possibly 2 from 19. 1 from 18. yeah great job so far.

- hello it's me 2050

If I have got a few players op my board that I rate equally, by definition they are the BPA on my board. I thus take the player where I have the most need, which in the Flyers case was center. The Flyers clearly had Luchenko ahead of Helenius so they picked him. What you are not understanding is you somehow think Buium was ranked higher on the Flyers board, which is the only thing that counts, but Briere clearly stated they thought Buium and Luchenko where about the same so they picked the center. Luchenko, like Beckett-Sennecke, were rising quickly up the draft board and thus both got selected earlier than projected. Luchenko never would have made it past the Blues at 16.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 29 @ 6:16 PM ET
I remember a lot of people questioning the O’Brien pick since he was just a high schooler
- 2Real


Immediately the TV guys were surprised. At least last night, the TV hosts said that was a good pick.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Jun 29 @ 6:16 PM ET
how do you continue to top your prior post?
- hello it's me 2050


trust me, you’re too easy. how’s your wife? if you’re retired surely you have plenty of time for her when you’re not fat-fingering it up here. how’s your 22 year old kid? how far away did they move once they realized their dad is pathetic?
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 29 @ 6:16 PM ET
Trust me guys my sources say so😎
- 2Real


And they are all (e4’s)!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 29 @ 6:16 PM ET
how does a GM have "no idea"? does he not talk to the medical staff?
- hello it's me 2050

It means there is no injury .. his medical staff looked at him, but the Flyers had to say there was so they could put him on LTIR, since you can't send down an injured player.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 29 @ 6:17 PM ET
I haven’t paid attention to day 2 of the draft at all. Did the Flyers pick up anyone interesting?
- Dkos

I think they picked several players who are all 6’4” a center and a couple defensemen. So they went big.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Jun 29 @ 6:20 PM ET
Uh no lol. Briere literally said it
- hereticpride


I mean the less talented part. If I recall York was picked one pick later and Drysdale much earlier. Are you actually comparing their pre draft numbers? I haven’t even looked - maybe I’m wrong
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