Unearned? Flahr and his team has done a good job drafting players for the Flyers. They know oodles more about what they see than you or I could ever read about or watch in highlights. There is so much in evaluating a player, way more than just their on ice performance, which BTW Luchenko went from 14pts to 74pts in a single OHL season. There is the coaches evalautions, interviews and combines also. Even Button had the Flyers picking Luchenko at 12 and he is part time now. You're right, no one knows what this kid will be in 3-5 years; he is only 17 years old. But for you and others to say the Flyers are flawed in downright comical. You are not part of the scouting staff watching these players over several months, and neither am I. Flahr has brought a good amount of NHL talent to the Flyers via the draft since he has been here, and I have faith he picked the right player for the Flyers and the type of team they want to build.
- jd250

Your comments are unintelligent. Flahr has been a mediocre drafter in his career. Stating that they know more than any of us is a stupid comment. If that is the case, then shut down the board. No reason for anyone to comment or have an opinion. You can't seem to understand or grasp what the issue is.
Hextall brought a good amount of talent to the Flyers via the draft, yet you criticized his drafting repeatedly. The issue with this franchise is not a lack of a good amount of talent. It's about a lack of elite level talent. Michkov is not nearly enough. You are again, clueless and stuck in a love affair with a incompetent NHL organization.

If I was Briere and Jones, I would want the Flyers to take a step back this season in the standings so they can get a top 10 pick in a deep draft. I would also be willing to use the picks I have to move up to get a player (though we have seen how reluctant teams are to trade picks in the 1st round) or as part of a hockey trade to get a younger player with a high ceiling that becomes available. The point is the Flyers have valuable assets now they if they use wisely can greatly accelerate their path to contention. As Jones stated earlier, next year is a very important year for the Flyers and they have to get it right.
- jd250

What moves or ….what actual move have they done to take a step back this year? One that indicates they might actually want to?

Unearned? Flahr and his team has done a good job drafting players for the Flyers. They know oodles more about what they see than you or I could ever read about or watch in highlights. There is so much in evaluating a player, way more than just their on ice performance, which BTW Luchenko went from 14pts to 74pts in a single OHL season. There is the coaches evalautions, interviews and combines also. Even Button had the Flyers picking Luchenko at 12 and he is part time now. You're right, no one knows what this kid will be in 3-5 years; he is only 17 years old. But for you and others to say the Flyers are flawed in downright comical. You are not part of the scouting staff watching these players over several months, and neither am I. Flahr has brought a good amount of NHL talent to the Flyers via the draft since he has been here, and I have faith he picked the right player for the Flyers and the type of team they want to build.
- jd250

they have not. go look at the drafts. will exclude 23 and obviously 24. He has not brought a goof amount of talent to the flyers.

2022 - potentially not one player will make an nhl contribution for the flyers

2021 - see above

2020 - the forest.

2019 - york and maybe brink

wtf is there to get excited about and how the phuck can you say he has done a good job? for yo to even say they are nto flawed is even funnier

If the scouting staff is so top notch ? Why do we suck year after year?
- landros 2

The fact is the Flyers in the past two season went from 61pts to 75pts and then last year to 87pts. Seems like a positive trend to me, right? This team doesn't suck. They were a win or two away from making the playoffs last season. They went from being a team, and let's face it, a franchise that Sucked with a capital 'S' to a respectible team that was a pain to play against last season. Things are going in the right direction.

Your comments are unintelligent. Flahr has been a mediocre drafter in his career. Stating that they know more than any of us is a stupid comment. If that is the case, then shut down the board. No reason for anyone to comment or have an opinion. You can't seem to understand or grasp what the issue is.
Hextall brought a good amount of talent to the Flyers via the draft, yet you criticized his drafting repeatedly. The issue with this franchise is not a lack of a good amount of talent. It's about a lack of elite level talent. Michkov is not nearly enough. You are again, clueless and stuck in a love affair with a incompetent NHL organization.
- MJL

cant help yourself can you cliff.

If I was Briere and Jones, I would want the Flyers to take a step back this season in the standings so they can get a top 10 pick in a deep draft. I would also be willing to use the picks I have to move up to get a player (though we have seen how reluctant teams are to trade picks in the 1st round) or as part of a hockey trade to get a younger player with a high ceiling that becomes available. The point is the Flyers have valuable assets now they if they use wisely can greatly accelerate their path to contention. As Jones stated earlier, next year is a very important year for the Flyers and they have to get it right.
- jd250

They won't get it right. They'll continue to not get it right when they re-sign Konecny.

If I was Briere and Jones, I would want the Flyers to take a step back this season in the standings so they can get a top 10 pick in a deep draft. I would also be willing to use the picks I have to move up to get a player (though we have seen how reluctant teams are to trade picks in the 1st round) or as part of a hockey trade to get a younger player with a high ceiling that becomes available. The point is the Flyers have valuable assets now they if they use wisely can greatly accelerate their path to contention. As Jones stated earlier, next year is a very important year for the Flyers and they have to get it right.
- jd250

what valuable assets would you, jd50 move. let's hear your plan.

now next year is the important year. then it will be 26 is, then 27. so 24 not as important. they get a mulligan.

The fact is the Flyers in the past two season went from 61pts to 75pts and then last year to 87pts. Seems like a positive trend to me, right? This team doesn't suck. They were a win or two away from making the playoffs last season. They went from being a team, and let's face it, a franchise that Sucked with a capital 'S' to a respectible team that was a pain to play against last season. Things are going in the right direction.
- jd250

A positive trend of moving right back into the realm of being mediocre and a perpetual bubble team. If they did it correctly, they could have had the player they tried to move up to draft. They need to make sure they get a high pick in 2025. They need to suck with a capital "S". You're fooled by it. You can't comprehend it.

What moves or ….what actual move have they done to take a step back this year? One that indicates they might actually want to?
- landros 2

Yes, this is a concern I have also. I would like to see Danny move out more veterans this off season and get more youth in the lineup. I think this is the season to do it so they can maximize their draft capital. I was also bummed that Briere did not trade up from 32 to get Solberg who dropped to 23. I thought when Toronto was trading their pick the Flyers were the team, but Anaheim was the team. This is my one gripe with the Flyers here, you can see how aggressive Anaheim, Chicago and San Jose are, the Flyers just don't seem to be as aggressive. Then again, maybe they felt Solberg was not worth it and it was better value to get another 2025 1st round pick. I can see that being the case, but if I had a chance to speak with Briere, this is what I would ask him about.

The fact is the Flyers in the past two season went from 61pts to 75pts and then last year to 87pts. Seems like a positive trend to me, right? This team doesn't suck. They were a win or two away from making the playoffs last season. They went from being a team, and let's face it, a franchise that Sucked with a capital 'S' to a respectible team that was a pain to play against last season. Things are going in the right direction.
- jd250

Are you kidding? If the Flyers had actually done this after or during a rebuild it might have validity. I’ve said all along they will be more competitive and a better team…but it still doesn’t make it a rebuild. They had injured vets that returned….and for the most part bought into Torts system last year…but the underlying problem of lack of talent was not addressed what so ever this week. It just wasn’t…which is discouraging to say the least.

A positive trend of moving right back into the realm of being mediocre and a perpetual bubble team. If they did it correctly, they could have had the player they tried to move up to draft. They need to make sure they get a high pick in 2025. They need to suck with a capital "S". You're fooled by it. You can't comprehend it.
- MJL

So just say it, you want the Flyers to tank. Hey, I have no problem with that. For me, I wanted to have a hockey season last year, and I was happy to have it. This year, I would like, wish even, the Flyers take a step back.

https://www.flohockey.tv/...eres-how-all-32-teams-did

some bathroom reading.

Yes, this is a concern I have also. I would like to see Danny move out more veterans this off season and get more youth in the lineup. I think this is the season to do it so they can maximize their draft capital. I was also bummed that Briere did not trade up from 32 to get Solberg who dropped to 23. I thought when Toronto was trading their pick the Flyers were the team, but Anaheim was the team. This is my one gripe with the Flyers here, you can see how aggressive Anaheim, Chicago and San Jose are, the Flyers just don't seem to be as aggressive. Then again, maybe they felt Solberg was not worth it and it was better value to get another 2025 1st round pick. I can see that being the case, but if I had a chance to speak with Briere, this is what I would ask him about.
- jd250

And there in lies the issue. It’s not an actual rebuild. To me it’s another “Hextall” plan, but at least he had a decent core to build around. I’m not sure, beyond Michkov, the Flyers have that right now…that’s a problem.

Are you kidding? If the Flyers had actually done this after or during a rebuild it might have validity. I’ve said all along they will be more competitive and a better team…but it still doesn’t make it a rebuild. They had injured vets that returned….and for the most part bought into Torts system last year…but the underlying problem of lack of talent was not addressed what so ever this week. It just wasn’t…which is discouraging to say the least.
- landros 2

You mean not addressed in the draft? Again, how do you know what these players will develop into? Briere tried to move up, teams were not willing to trade out of the top 10. It seems to me the Flyers are targeting the 2025 draft. I hope they follow through and taking a step back this year in the right approach.

https://www.flohockey.tv/articles/12687551-nhl-draft-grades-2024-heres-how-all-32-teams-did

some bathroom reading.
- hello it's me 2050

C+ seems about right.

Yes, this is a concern I have also. I would like to see Danny move out more veterans this off season and get more youth in the lineup. I think this is the season to do it so they can maximize their draft capital. I was also bummed that Briere did not trade up from 32 to get Solberg who dropped to 23. I thought when Toronto was trading their pick the Flyers were the team, but Anaheim was the team. This is my one gripe with the Flyers here, you can see how aggressive Anaheim, Chicago and San Jose are, the Flyers just don't seem to be as aggressive. Then again, maybe they felt Solberg was not worth it and it was better value to get another 2025 1st round pick. I can see that being the case, but if I had a chance to speak with Briere, this is what I would ask him about.
- jd250

what youth is there to insert? danny bot himself said there is no one on LHV they see in the lineup.

again they have shown zero indication to want to move out any vets. they are core culture process players.

So just say it, you want the Flyers to tank. Hey, I have no problem with that. For me, I wanted to have a hockey season last year, and I was happy to have it. This year, I would like, wish even, the Flyers take a step back.
- jd250

You're wrong. I don't want the Flyers to do what I consider to be tanking. I want them to be smart. They weren't in this draft. You're the perfect fan for this franchise. You're who they're targeting. You just want a hockey season. There was no season. They finished in just about the worst spot they could. You don't get it.

The fact is the Flyers in the past two season went from 61pts to 75pts and then last year to 87pts. Seems like a positive trend to me, right? This team doesn't suck. They were a win or two away from making the playoffs last season. They went from being a team, and let's face it, a franchise that Sucked with a capital 'S' to a respectible team that was a pain to play against last season. Things are going in the right direction.
- jd250

Ever stop and wonder if this is the teams ceiling as currently constructed?

So just say it, you want the Flyers to tank. Hey, I have no problem with that. For me, I wanted to have a hockey season last year, and I was happy to have it. This year, I would like, wish even, the Flyers take a step back.
- jd250

they will take a step back but not of their doing.

You mean not addressed in the draft? Again, how do you know what these players will develop into? Briere tried to move up, teams were not willing to trade out of the top 10. It seems to me the Flyers are targeting the 2025 draft. I hope they follow through and taking a step back this year in the right approach.
- jd250

I don’t and neither do they. I still don’t understand how you think they want to take a step back this year when ever single thing they do or don’t do screams the opposite.

You mean not addressed in the draft? Again, how do you know what these players will develop into? Briere tried to move up, teams were not willing to trade out of the top 10. It seems to me the Flyers are targeting the 2025 draft. I hope they follow through and taking a step back this year in the right approach.
- jd250

You keep making comments that in essence, prevent commentary. That anyone doesn't know what these player will develop into, can be applied to pretty much every player in every draft. With some exceptions. It's unintelligent. So why have all the conversation and talk? Just forget about it and see where the chips fall.

What moves or ….what actual move have they done to take a step back this year? One that indicates they might actually want to?
- landros 2

NONE. They are basically bringing back the same team that picked 12 in the draft. Michkov only gives the potential to improve. The same forwards. The same defense. The same goalies sans Hart for reasons out of their control. There appears to be no room for any prospect to legitimately have an opportunity at this point to make the team. Atkinsons buyout only improves the team to some extent as well.

As of now a pick in the 10-16 range seems a reasonable expectation for 2025, along with two obvious playoff picks say 2 between 24-32. Doesn’t seem like a recipe to draft ELITE talent next year either.

https://phillyhockeynow.c...eev-buium-2024-nhl-draft/

Another perspective yet pretty much the same. Flyers are getting universally panned for passing on Buium.

You're wrong. I don't want the Flyers to do what I consider to be tanking. I want them to be smart. They weren't in this draft. You're the perfect fan for this franchise. You're who they're targeting. You just want a hockey season. There was no season. They finished in just about the worst spot they could. You don't get it.
- MJL

It was a fun season and a step in the right direction IMO. Yes, draft wise it was not ideal in that I wished they were picking in the top 10 or could have moved into the top 10. However in general I agree with the teams approach of create a winning culture versus Sucking for 5 years in hopes that they get elite talent in the draft. Just this year look at the top 10 scorers in the league and where they were drafted:

1. Kucherov - 58th overall
2. McKinnon - 1st overall
3. McDavid - 1st overall
4. Panarin - undrafted
5. Pastrnak - 25th overall
6. Matthews - 1st overall
7. Draisaitl - 3rd overall
8. Rantanen - 10th overall
9. JT Miller - 15th overall
10. Nilander - 8th overall

So clearly getting into the top 10 and hitting on the pick is the best way to get elite talent, but not the only way. You also have to consider the timing on when to Suck, since not all drafts are created equal. I was hoping the Flyers with the 12th pick could move up 3 or 4 picks and get a potential elite player but they were not able to do it. But that does not mean that since they passed on Buium that Buium was an elite stud prospect, otherwise he would not have fallen to the Flyers at 12.

You choose to say everything the Flyers do is wrong, dishonst and disengenious. I on the other hand look at things differently and hope for the best. If Buium or Helenius (who I had wishing for for over a month) turn out to be much better than Luchenko, then I am wrong and will admit so. Will you do the same if Luchenko turns out to be a home run?

https://phillyhockeynow.com/2024/06/30/philadelphia-flyers-zeev-buium-2024-nhl-draft/

Another perspective yet pretty much the same. Flyers are getting universally panned for passing on Buium.
- mikeyo27

But let's consider the last sentence in the article

Overall talent seems to contribute to NHL success more than size does, but the Flyers have a different plan right now. In time, we’ll see if this gamble pays off.

In time we can judge this Flyers decision, but not right now.