I like Krebs more than McLeod long term.
- RhinoFan

Wow

That’s a bold take.

McLeod actually does things well. Krebs has been meh at everything.

lol this lady is pouting a lot this morning and won’t be swayed by sense, reason, or analytics.
- jimmy mcnaulty

Youre right. The players in the league don't want to come here bc its too good of a roster and they aren't sure they'll get minutes.

Just gonna leave this here:

https://x.com/topdownhock...&t=HltRNovzw-sfCIqbO5x39Q

McLeod will never be a 50pt player. He will barely Crack 20 in Buffalo.
- RhinoFan

The analytics disagree with your take. I get your mad. But this isn’t the hill to die on.

Multiple analytics websites show that McLeod is a good player.

If the Sabres traded for trouba who has god awful analytics. Then I would be just as mad as you.

So again. Wrong hill to die on

Wow

That’s a bold take.

McLeod actually does things well. Krebs has been meh at everything.
- Stripes77

IMO McLeod is a 4C being curved up by a good team. Krebs is a 3C thats been ruined by a bad one. When Ryan has 21pts this year, we'll be talking about this trade in it's proper light. [url]

IMO McLeod is a 4C being curved up by a good team. Krebs is a 3C thats been ruined by a bad one. When Ryan has 21pts this year, we'll be talking about this trade in it's proper light.
- RhinoFan[url]

Krebs hasn’t shown he’s a 3C yet. Going into the season Krebs as your 3C is a scary scary thought.

(And I like Krebs)

The analytics disagree with your take. I get your mad. But this isn’t the hill to die on.

Multiple analytics websites show that McLeod is a good player.

If the Sabres traded for trouba who has god awful analytics. Then I would be just as mad as you.

So again. Wrong hill to die on
- Sabretooth9

The only hill not worth dying on is the one centered around the Sabres doing anything positive this offseason. We're shipped off big pieces of the team and futures and yet somehow got worse.

Who is scoring goals here guys? I'll tell ya for free it won't be anyone in our bottom 6.

The analytics disagree with your take. I get your mad. But this isn’t the hill to die on.

Multiple analytics websites show that McLeod is a good player.

If the Sabres traded for trouba who has god awful analytics. Then I would be just as mad as you.

So again. Wrong hill to die on
- Sabretooth9

When you are undersized and a skilled forward you either make that jump within 3 years of being drafted to being a NHL player or you don’t. This is a make or break year for Savoie.

The Sabres filled a glaring need with a player who has elite speed, good defensively and great killing penalties. In the role he played in Edmonton he didn’t need to be a point producer. Could he put up 45-50 points in Buffalo? Maybe, but Adams got what he saw and we all saw as a massive hole. A third line center. Savoie might feel like an overpayment right now, and it could turn out to be one, but Savoie also hasn’t even played a half season of pro hockey anywhere.

Krebs hasn’t shown he’s a 3C yet. Going into the season Krebs as your 3C is a scary scary thought.

(And I like Krebs)
- Sabretooth9

He's only played 1 year with actual NHL talent is the problem. Put him with semi competent players, players we lack, and he'll do fine.

He's only played 1 year with actual NHL talent is the problem. Put him with semi competent players, players we lack, and he'll do fine.
- RhinoFan

This has been proven false already.

This has been proven false already.
- ImThatGuy

22pts in 48 games as a 20yo says otherwise. He produced at a higher clip than our new elite 3C...

IMO McLeod is a 4C being curved up by a good team. Krebs is a 3C thats been ruined by a bad one. When Ryan has 21pts this year, we'll be talking about this trade in it's proper light.
- RhinoFan[url]

Being curved up by a good team? He’s the one taking the d zone starts so McDavid and Leon don’t have to.

If Krebs was ruined by a bad team how come he didn’t do well in Vegas when given a chance?

When you are undersized and a skilled forward you either make that jump within 3 years of being drafted to being a NHL player or you don’t. This is a make or break year for Savoie.

The Sabres filled a glaring need with a player who has elite speed, good defensively and great killing penalties. In the role he played in Edmonton he didn’t need to be a point producer. Could he put up 45-50 points in Buffalo? Maybe, but Adams got what he saw and we all saw as a massive hole. A third line center. Savoie might feel like an overpayment right now, and it could turn out to be one, but Savoie also hasn’t even played a half season of pro hockey anywhere.
- Stripes77

Crazy how much a silly prospect challenge injury changed the course here. By all accounts he was going to get the shot Benson wound up getting in camp. He went from favorite prospect to unwanted in a hurry.

22pts in 48 games as a 20yo says otherwise. He produced at a higher clip than our new elite 3C...
- RhinoFan

They tried Krebs up the lineup last year after trading Casey. It didn’t work.

They had Krebs center Tuch and Tage, and didn’t work.

Crazy how much a silly prospect challenge injury changed the course here. By all accounts he was going to get the shot Benson wound up getting in camp. He went from favorite prospect to unwanted in a hurry.
- Lunaion

There’s more to it than that though. Something is just off with him. Not making team Canada is really something that needs to be dug into more.

22pts in 48 games as a 20yo says otherwise. He produced at a higher clip than our new elite 3C...
- RhinoFan

Ah yes when he scored well above expected and yet somehow was still dogpoop.

https://www.expectedbuffa...krebs-underlying-numbers/

The only hill not worth dying on is the one centered around the Sabres doing anything positive this offseason. We're shipped off big pieces of the team and futures and yet somehow got worse.

Who is scoring goals here guys? I'll tell ya for free it won't be anyone in our bottom 6.
- RhinoFan

Savoie wasn’t going to be on the Sabres.

And if you actually watched skinner post December. The dude looked completely shot. He played with no pace and with the puck seemed like he was stuck in neutral.

He's only played 1 year with actual NHL talent is the problem. Put him with semi competent players, players we lack, and he'll do fine.
- RhinoFan

They tried that up and down the lineup and it didn’t work with Krebs.

The only hill not worth dying on is the one centered around the Sabres doing anything positive this offseason. We're shipped off big pieces of the team and futures and yet somehow got worse.

Who is scoring goals here guys? I'll tell ya for free it won't be anyone in our bottom 6.
- RhinoFan

So if any member if the bottom six scores just 1 goal, then using your logic you’ll be wrong.

Good luck on this hill.

There’s more to it than that though. Something is just off with him. Not making team Canada is really something that needs to be dug into more.
- Stripes77

Definitely feels like something is going on off the ice. It went off the rails fast. It's the only way I can rationalize this trade. They were going to take the best offer they could find.

Who’s worse McLeod or the blogger?

Being curved up by a good team? He’s the one taking the d zone starts so McDavid and Leon don’t have to.

If Krebs was ruined by a bad team how come he didn’t do well in Vegas when given a chance?
- Stripes77

He played 13 games...

And McLeod had a 49.2ozs%. McLeod will undeniably take a step back in our system...the way nearly every player we acquire does. But hey, even EDM were going to play him at 4C. Don't have to take my word for it, they know what they traded us.

What a collasal failure for a top10 pick.

So if any member if the bottom six scores just 1 goal, then using your logic you’ll be wrong.

Good luck on this hill.
- ImThatGuy

Obviously they'll score a handful, but the point is we have no depth scoring again. You basically gotta hope our top6 can outcome the opponents top4 lines every night. If that's the plan fair enough, but it doesn't mean it isn't delusional.

He played 13 games...

And McLeod had a 49.2ozs%. McLeod will undeniably take a step back in our system...the way nearly every player we acquire does. But hey, even EDM were going to play him at 4C. Don't have to take my word for it, they know what they traded us.

What a collasal failure for a top10 pick.
- RhinoFan

STOP USING DRAFT PICK SPOT AS VALUE.

should we go trade the entire future for Yakutia still. He was drafted 1 overall after all.

STOP USING DRAFT PICK SPOT AS VALUE.

should we go trade the entire future for Yakutia still. He was drafted 1 overall after all.
- ImThatGuy

Why? Does it feel better not knowing we use a top10 pick to get a 4C? That's the cost we paid.