Sounds like you agree that a defenseman who can't even crack this lineup shouldn't have prevented the GM from taking Buium.
- TobyFlenderson

If it was a lock that he is that good then yes they should have taken him. I heard the Flyers didn't like his agent.

And Geuntzel got 7x9. So who knows what the Flyers are gonna give TK
- mikeyo27

Both signed in Florida though

Good for a tank, completely foolish signing in every other way

Flyers trade Sean Walker, effectively killing their chances to make the playoffs -- Nope, not a rebuild

Flyers trade their 32 pick in the 2024 draft and now have 3 1st round and 3 2nd round picks in a deep 2025 draft -- Nope, not a rebuild

Flyers sign Eric Johnson to be effectively their 8th defenseman -- Nope, clearly not a rebuild

Got it!

You know who Zeev Buium reminds me of? Shayne Gostisbehere -- clearly this team will never learn

If it was a lock that he is that good then yes they should have taken him. I heard the Flyers didn't like his agent.
- WhiskeyMan

Heard that from where? I'm not aware of any credible source reporting that.

Heard that from where? I'm not aware of any credible source reporting that.
- MJL

It wasn't reported they didn't like the agent, it's just the same one Cutter Gauthier had.

Wondering whether there is any truth to this, as they avoided Biuim like the plague. Was baffling.

Flyers trade Sean Walker, effectively killing their chances to make the playoffs -- Nope, not a rebuild

Flyers trade their 32 pick in the 2024 draft and now have 3 1st round and 3 2nd round picks in a deep 2025 draft -- Nope, not a rebuild

Flyers sign Eric Johnson to be effectively their 8th defenseman -- Nope, clearly not a rebuild

Got it!

You know who Zeev Buium reminds me of? Shayne Gostisbehere -- clearly this team will never learn
- jd250

https://bleacherreport.co...-for-every-1st-round-pick

Analysis

The Minnesota Wild traded up one spot, sending the 13th pick and a 2025 third-rounder to the Flyers for No. 12. With that, Zeev Buium is finally off the board, many picks lower than he should've been.

His poise and agility are phenomenal—the defenseman will be useful for the Wild anywhere on the ice. You don't see offensive numbers like Buium's from a freshman often, and if you wonder whether they will translate, just look to Norris Trophy winner Quinn Hughes.

Pick Grade: A

Scouting Report

What do Cale Makar, Hughes and Roman Josi all have in common? Elite edgework.

This is not a promise that Buium will turn into a superstar, but the point is that he has a foundational trait that will set him up for success in the offensive end.

Buium is a brilliant skater. The straight-line speed is good, but he wows with his agility. Buium casually sidesteps pressure. He can walk the blue line in the offensive zone. He slaloms through forecheckers in the neutral zone. He can escape pressure when retrieving pucks in the defensive end.

The proof is in the numbers. On a Denver team that won the national championship, Buium ranked second in points.

And while Buium has some work to do in the defensive end, the same knocks against him about his lack of size and absent physical game were sloppily applied to Hughes at the same age.

Here's the deal: No, Buium will never be the coach's top choice for the penalty kill nor push a 6'4" center out of the crease. What separates him is his skating and brain; that should be enough to defend at the NHL level. He can gap up tightly to puck carriers, defend against transitions by closing space, and ensure the puck stays out of the defensive end by escaping the forecheck with either his feet or a quick pass.

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He's also bigger than Makar and Hughes (and the rarely seen on the ice Drysdale). I don't ever want to hear Briere/Jones/Torts complain about how hard it is to find a number 1 defenseman.

Never said he would. Rumor is that Tampa offered him 8 years, 3 mill a year. He is still going to try to demand a big paycheck and someone will pay it
- WhiskeyMan

You posted that they offered Guentzel 8 X 8 and that Stamkos will want more. 8 X 8 = 64. Stamkos wont get 8 years. He will get less.

You know who Zeev Buium reminds me of? Shayne Gostisbehere -- clearly this team will never learn
- jd250

You've posted numerous times that we won't know until these players actually play. Now Buium is comparable to Gostisbehere. Shows how full of crap you are and how you repeatedly contradict yourself.

Flyers trade Sean Walker, effectively killing their chances to make the playoffs -- Nope, not a rebuild

Flyers trade their 32 pick in the 2024 draft and now have 3 1st round and 3 2nd round picks in a deep 2025 draft -- Nope, not a rebuild

Flyers sign Eric Johnson to be effectively their 8th defenseman -- Nope, clearly not a rebuild

Got it!

You know who Zeev Buium reminds me of? Shayne Gostisbehere -- clearly this team will never learn
- jd250

Ghost was nowhere close to Buium's level when he was 18 years old. That's why he went in the 3rd round.

If it was a lock that he is that good then yes they should have taken him. I heard the Flyers didn't like his agent.
- WhiskeyMan

The same one who reps Joel Farabee? The same one that they had extension talks with about Sean Walker? I find that hard to believe. Also, there are only so many NHL agents, how are the Flyers going to avoid any and all future ties to KO Sports?

You posted that they offered Guentzel 8 X 8 and that Stamkos will want more. 8 X 8 = 64. Stamkos wont get 8 years. He will get less.
- MJL

I would expect a girouxish Ottawa deal for Stamkos. Probably 4 years though.

Up until this season TK would have been comparable to Reinhart, but coming off a 57 goal season and just signing an 8 year extension for $69M at age 28, TK can ask for more but will not get it.
- jd250

whatever contract ends up being signed you will be sucking both the flyers and tk's crank on how it is a great deal.

https://bleacherreport.co...-for-every-1st-round-pick

Analysis

The Minnesota Wild traded up one spot, sending the 13th pick and a 2025 third-rounder to the Flyers for No. 12. With that, Zeev Buium is finally off the board, many picks lower than he should've been.

His poise and agility are phenomenal—the defenseman will be useful for the Wild anywhere on the ice. You don't see offensive numbers like Buium's from a freshman often, and if you wonder whether they will translate, just look to Norris Trophy winner Quinn Hughes.

Pick Grade: A

Scouting Report

What do Cale Makar, Hughes and Roman Josi all have in common? Elite edgework.

This is not a promise that Buium will turn into a superstar, but the point is that he has a foundational trait that will set him up for success in the offensive end.

Buium is a brilliant skater. The straight-line speed is good, but he wows with his agility. Buium casually sidesteps pressure. He can walk the blue line in the offensive zone. He slaloms through forecheckers in the neutral zone. He can escape pressure when retrieving pucks in the defensive end.

The proof is in the numbers. On a Denver team that won the national championship, Buium ranked second in points.

And while Buium has some work to do in the defensive end, the same knocks against him about his lack of size and absent physical game were sloppily applied to Hughes at the same age.

Here's the deal: No, Buium will never be the coach's top choice for the penalty kill nor push a 6'4" center out of the crease. What separates him is his skating and brain; that should be enough to defend at the NHL level. He can gap up tightly to puck carriers, defend against transitions by closing space, and ensure the puck stays out of the defensive end by escaping the forecheck with either his feet or a quick pass.

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He's also bigger than Makar and Hughes (and the rarely seen on the ice Drysdale). I don't ever want to hear Briere/Jones/Torts complain about how hard it is to find a number 1 defenseman.
- Flyers_01

You know what I was thinking of, if you are Minnesota, why trade up 1 pick and give up a 3rd if Buium was the player they wanted all along? They had to know the Flyers were not targeting Buium if all they were willing to do is take a 3rd round pick for him. And if you are the Flyers, did you do enough to convince teams behind you that Buium was your guy? Seems to me the Flyers could have got much more from trading down. I thought the whole trade between the Flyers and Wild didn't make sense.

whatever contract ends up being signed you will be sucking both the flyers and tk's crank on how it is a great deal.
- hello it's me 2050

If TK signs for 8 years $64M, I would be fine with that, wouldn't you? TK clearly is not the scorer Guentel or Reinhart are, to me the market has been set for what TK is worth. If TK wants to hold off until next off season, the Flyers will trade him at the deadline and everyone will be happy.

The same one who reps Joel Farabee? The same one that they had extension talks with about Sean Walker? I find that hard to believe. Also, there are only so many NHL agents, how are the Flyers going to avoid any and all future ties to KO Sports?
- TobyFlenderson

Exactly. I can't wrap my tiny brain around the logic of this pick This is worse than Rubtsov.

If TK signs for 8 years $64M, I would be fine with that, wouldn't you? TK clearly is not the scorer Guentel or Reinhart are, to me the market has been set for what TK is worth. If TK wants to hold off until next off season, the Flyers will trade him at the deadline and everyone will be happy.
- jd250

I would not be fine with anything but a TK trade.

Ghost was nowhere close to Buium's level when he was 18 years old. That's why he went in the 3rd round.
- Feanor

We'll see .. just telling you, when I see Buium, that is who he reminds me of. I honstly don't think his skills will translate, and apparently 11 other teams felt there were better options on the board.

Exactly. I can't wrap my tiny brain around the logic of this pick This is worse than Rubtsov.
- Uncle Vanya

Lol slow your roll, it’s not even close to Rubstov. Not yet at least.

I would not be fine with anything but a TK trade.
- Uncle Vanya

Shortsighted IMO, I would rather see the Flyers trade Couts but that will not happen until he shows he is heathy and can remian healthy, which is a long shot.

If TK signs for 8 years $64M, I would be fine with that, wouldn't you? TK clearly is not the scorer Guentel or Reinhart are, to me the market has been set for what TK is worth. If TK wants to hold off until next off season, the Flyers will trade him at the deadline and everyone will be happy.
- jd250

I wouldn't be fine with it. The Flyers need to trade Konecny. No if ands or buts. If they don't. Then they are not rebuilding

Shortsighted IMO, I would rather see the Flyers trade Couts but that will not happen until he shows he is heathy and can remian healthy, which is a long shot.
- jd250

They will never be able to trade coots without some sort of retention or value picks going with him. That’s probably a top 10 worst contract in the league.

We'll see .. just telling you, when I see Buium, that is who he reminds me of. I honstly don't think his skills will translate, and apparently 11 other teams felt there were better options on the board.
- jd250

You have shown zero ability to accurately assess anything in the sport of hockey.

It is amazing a team like Tampa can do all the maneuvering they do, trade a longtime captain in Stamkos because they think Guentzle is better fit now and the Flyers can't trade Konecny or Laughton because they are "Flyers" and mean too much to "culture".

You've posted numerous times that we won't know until these players actually play. Now Buium is comparable to Gostisbehere. Shows how full of crap you are and how you repeatedly contradict yourself.
- MJL

No contradiction .. just telling you who he reminds me of. We won't know anything about what these players will be for 2-3 years.