Trouba not waiving his NTC driving the fans crazy, this is great
- BetweenTheDots

Well he uas to submit 15 teams. So he can go somewhere he just is saying no to the place they have a deal lined up.

Which is to your point great.

Barring any further trades, what would the Hawks forward lines look like?

Teravainen - Bedard - Kurashev
Bertuzzi - AA - Reichel
Hall - D!ckinson - Mikheyev
Foligno - Donato - Smith

Scratches:

Anderson
Maroon
- DarthKane

I'd be really surprised if Bertuzzi isn't on Bedard's wing.

I'd be really surprised if Bertuzzi isn't on Bedard's wing.
- vabeachbear

I like that better too. I also think Maroon will play and be on the PP as well.

I don’t remember seeing him when I saw Erie? I vaguely remember the name. Hopefully he can prove himself at Rockford.
- paulr

Pretty sure he'll be in Indy, I'm assuming Soda and Commesso in Rock.

Even if he ends up being a tough power winger - they don't really have that in the system and I think that is a net win. Especially if he puts on another 10-15 kilos the next two years at N Dakota.

If he turns into a Mark Stone or Hossa type - I think we'd be happy. Even if his high end is Boesser that is still a really great result from the 18th pick. Would be cool if he plays center but he doesn't have to.
- fattybeef

Both he and Vanacker seem that type, we'll see if either of them scores like Eiserman.

I'd be really surprised if Bertuzzi isn't on Bedard's wing.
- vabeachbear

Bertuzzi adds some grit and and can retrieve pucks, he has scoring ability with a shot and can pick up the garbage as he battles in front of the net. I think he’ll be on Bedard’s wing too.

Because maybe he’s a young player with some talent who is still trying to figure it out vs a vet who may never have been that good to begin with or whoever you’re alluding to that was unfairly slapped around in the twitterverse or here?

Maybe one day the powers that be will heed your wishes and get rid of the A and expand rosters to 53 like football so no players waste any time there.

Again all progress isn’t linear. Maybe he never does figure it out but there are plenty of cautionary tales out there of punting on a guy too soon.

No rush, so if Im KFC I’m not trading a guy who might be around in a few years so we can conveniently fill out lineup cards here, incorporating players that won’t be.
- HawkintheD

My argument is he spent his time in the AHL so why wasn't he NHL ready if that matters so much?

My other argument is that players that have the talent should be in the NHL right away since they need to spend 2-3 years on average adjusting anyway - the sooner they get there - the better it is for the club and the player.

If they let Reichel take his lumps 3 years ago - he would probably be starting to come into his own now. Not like that would have been anymore detrimental to his confidence then where he is now.

I'm not anti development.

I've said that Arty should stay another year at MSU put on another 5 kilos and come into the NHL an absolute monster next year.

I think Moore should spend probably 3 at Minnesota. Rinzel should probably spend 3 minimum. (total so 2 more years for the two of them)

Beau Vert should probably spend at least two seasons at North Dakota.

Most of that is because I think the NCAA is a better developmental environment than the AHL which is more a meat grinder and place holder rather than a developmental league.

Guys from the various Canadian junior leagues I think should go straight to the NHL if they have enough skill level and physical maturity - get hit over the head for two years - kinda like Jack Hughes did - and see if they figure it out. Korchinski's progress should be an interesting look at that scenario.

Datsyuk and Zetterburg starting on the 3rd and 4th lines as young players is also a better alternative IMO.

Some guys like Patrick Sharp need extra time but I think he's an outlier rather than the standard.

AHL time would not have helped Dach become less of an 90 kilo featherweight that gets knocked on his ass way too easily because there's no lead in it.

Is anyone surprised that Taresanko hasn't signed yet?

My argument is he spent his time in the AHL so why wasn't he NHL ready if that matters so much?

My other argument is that players that have the talent should be in the NHL right away since they need to spend 2-3 years on average adjusting anyway - the sooner they get there - the better it is for the club and the player.

If they let Reichel take his lumps 3 years ago - he would probably be starting to come into his own now. Not like that would have been anymore detrimental to his confidence then where he is now.

I'm not anti development.

I've said that Arty should stay another year at MSU put on another 5 kilos and come into the NHL an absolute monster next year.

I think Moore should spend probably 3 at Minnesota. Rinzel should probably spend 3 minimum. (total so 2 more years for the two of them)

Beau Vert should probably spend at least two seasons at North Dakota.

Most of that is because I think the NCAA is a better developmental environment than the AHL which is more a meat grinder and place holder rather than a developmental league.

Guys from the various Canadian junior leagues I think should go straight to the NHL if they have enough skill level and physical maturity - get hit over the head for two years - kinda like Jack Hughes did - and see if they figure it out. Korchinski's progress should be an interesting look at that scenario.

Datsyuk and Zetterburg starting on the 3rd and 4th lines as young players is also a better alternative IMO.

Some guys like Patrick Sharp need extra time but I think he's an outlier rather than the standard.

AHL time would not have helped Dach become less of an 90 kilo featherweight that gets knocked on his ass way too easily because there's no lead in it.
- fattybeef

You’re talking about a bunch of different guys with certainty that AHL wouldn’t have helped, that starting on lower NHL lines would have been preferable. How do you know this but NHL scouts, GMs, coaches etc. with years experience don’t?

As for Dach the AHL probably wouldn’t have helped because he wasn’t ready to leave junior hockey because he wasn’t physically ready as you pointed out but also because his game wasn’t dominant at the junior level so nothing good was going to happen moving him up to the NHL.

There was the Reichel and Murphy + a pick to WPG for Ehlers and McGroarty rumor circulating last week.
- totem

That was just fans wishful thinking

He has over-filled the roster. There has to be a reason. As he has shown, we won't know why until we know why.
- bjphawkfan

For injury replacements and most of the rookies are being sent down likely

I'd be really surprised if Bertuzzi isn't on Bedard's wing.
- vabeachbear

He'd be a good option too. I was just thinking that LR may want to separate Bertuzzi, Bedard and TT somewhat. There may be in-game scenarios that KD brings those three together, but I wouldn't be surprised either if LR has 2 of Bertuzzi, Bedard, TT, and Kurashev on the first line and 2 on the second.

I do expect Reichel to be given a shot in the top 6. I'm not sure what he'll make of that chance but he finished the NHL season well and played well for Rockford.

Brannstrom signs with Colorado.

Brannstrom signs with Colorado.
- DarthKane

Some former "Hawk" news:

Roos signs in WSH
Luke Philp signs in OTT
and everyone's favorite "one-that-got-away" Adam Gaudette signs in OTT.

My argument is he spent his time in the AHL so why wasn't he NHL ready if that matters so much?

My other argument is that players that have the talent should be in the NHL right away since they need to spend 2-3 years on average adjusting anyway - the sooner they get there - the better it is for the club and the player.

If they let Reichel take his lumps 3 years ago - he would probably be starting to come into his own now. Not like that would have been anymore detrimental to his confidence then where he is now.

I'm not anti development.

I've said that Arty should stay another year at MSU put on another 5 kilos and come into the NHL an absolute monster next year.

I think Moore should spend probably 3 at Minnesota. Rinzel should probably spend 3 minimum. (total so 2 more years for the two of them)

Beau Vert should probably spend at least two seasons at North Dakota.

Most of that is because I think the NCAA is a better developmental environment than the AHL which is more a meat grinder and place holder rather than a developmental league.

Guys from the various Canadian junior leagues I think should go straight to the NHL if they have enough skill level and physical maturity - get hit over the head for two years - kinda like Jack Hughes did - and see if they figure it out. Korchinski's progress should be an interesting look at that scenario.

Datsyuk and Zetterburg starting on the 3rd and 4th lines as young players is also a better alternative IMO.

Some guys like Patrick Sharp need extra time but I think he's an outlier rather than the standard.

AHL time would not have helped Dach become less of an 90 kilo featherweight that gets knocked on his ass way too easily because there's no lead in it.
- fattybeef

Reichel played two seasons of 50+ games in the AHL.
And he showed he could play.
Even in his short 23 game stint before last season in the NHL he showed signs that he can play.
For whatever reason last year he crapped the bag,probably had a lot to do with playing for a terrible team and not having linemates that can generate any puck possession.
He's still really young, it might take another year or two for him to figure it out. This season the roster is much better, I wouldn't be surprised to see him replicate his solid 23 game stint from two seasons ago.

He'd be a good option too. I was just thinking that LR may want to separate Bertuzzi, Bedard and TT somewhat. There may be in-game scenarios that KD brings those three together, but I wouldn't be surprised either if LR has 2 of Bertuzzi, Bedard, TT, and Kurashev on the first line and 2 on the second.

I do expect Reichel to be given a shot in the top 6. I'm not sure what he'll make of that chance but he finished the NHL season well and played well for Rockford.
- DarthKane

Not sure why everyone wants to see Kurashev on Bedards wing.
Beetuzzi - Bedard - Hall - seems like they could be a line that would drive posession and keep other teams pinned in their own end.
Give Reichel a shot on the 2nd line,if he can't make it work,then push Kurashev there.
Everyone seems to want Nazar in the AHL next season, I'd give him a chance to win a spot in the preseason,if he has trouble then send him to the AHL for 30-40 games.

I'd be really surprised if Bertuzzi isn't on Bedard's wing.
- vabeachbear

Yeah, I think Bertuzzi is perfect with Bedsy, and I bet Kucherov starts with him until they change things up. TT is a pp addition but not sure how he fits in a first line role...he did play some centre at times last season. Hall also played some centre.

Hall is gonna need to get his legs back after the knee surgery.

I am not sure how they plan to pair these guys, and I think that becomes their homework, not mine.

My job is how I can secure RWPorter Matone, and Erie's LW Malcolm Spence, and Brantford's RC b]Jake O’Brien

Does Korchinski make the team out of camp or will he start in the AHL?

I thought his defensive game progressed quite well last season, his positioning improved, he used his stick to break up passes and shots, he had pretty good gap control. He was weak boxing guys out in front of the net, but you have to factor he was a boy amongst men and that he is physically quite slight.

I thought he was the best Hawk defenseman at passing the puck especially on zone exits. Most of his passes were deadly accurate and were lost due to the lack of talent he was passing to.

He came out of junior as an offensive defenceman but i don’t think he showed allot in the offensive zone, again there wasn’t much for him to work with.

The weakest part of his game was his lack of any kind of physical play. He didn’t provide much in front of the net. He struggled separating opponents from the puck. He was timid going into the corner to chase loose pucks and batting for pucks along the boards.

A summer of working out and being a year old should help. But with the Martinez and Brodie signings does this allow the Hawks to send KK to Rockford to work on things?

Does Korchinski make the team out of camp or will he start in the AHL?

I thought his defensive game progressed quite well last season, his positioning improved, he used his stick to break up passes and shots, he had pretty good gap control. He was weak boxing guys out in front of the net, but you have to factor he was a boy amongst men and that he is physically quite slight.

I thought he was the best Hawk defenseman at passing the puck especially on zone exits. Most of his passes were deadly accurate and were lost due to the lack of talent he was passing to.

He came out of junior as an offensive defenceman but i don’t think he showed allot in the offensive zone, again there wasn’t much for him to work with.

The weakest part of his game was his lack of any kind of physical play. He didn’t provide much in front of the net. He struggled separating opponents from the puck. He was timid going into the corner to chase loose pucks and batting for pucks along the boards.

A summer of working out and being a year old should help. But with the Martinez and Brodie signings does this allow the Hawks to send KK to Rockford to work on things?
- paulr

It was kinda clear he has talent, but also has a ways to go.
I think they will decide after tarining camp and it won't be a permannet demotion.

I am waiting on what they are going to do with "Ariie" and I am not sure if his status allows him to go to Rockford, but that (Or a demotion back to the USHL) will be the only way Artie can play more.
I think it is easy for me to envision KK and Artie as a pair and wonder how soon will it be where we see them together...

It was kinda clear he has talent, but also has a ways to go.
I think they will decide after tarining camp and it won't be a permannet demotion.

I am waiting on what they are going to do with "Ariie" and I am not sure if his status allows him to go to Rockford, but that (Or a demotion back to the USHL) will be the only way Artie can play more.
I think it is easy for me to envision KK and Artie as a pair and wonder how soon will it be where we see them together...
- wiz1901

I read somewhere because he went to Michigan State he's eligible to play in the AHL.

https://twitter.com/CRoum.../1808169751341883843?s=19

Schedule is out we open in Utah.

I read somewhere because he went to Michigan State he's eligible to play in the AHL.
- BetweenTheDots

And then Korchinski si eleigible as 2nd year pro?

Well I could see a shuttle of the different Icehog defensive prospects into the parent club...that won't hurt our standings in the standings.

https://twitter.com/CRoumeliotis/status/1808169751341883843?s=19

Schedule is out we open in Utah.
- BetweenTheDots

Last year I went to somewhere and was able to download the enite schedule onto my calendar - I printed a hardcopy earier today and added October, but stopped there, hoping for the download....

My argument is he spent his time in the AHL so why wasn't he NHL ready if that matters so much?

My other argument is that players that have the talent should be in the NHL right away since they need to spend 2-3 years on average adjusting anyway - the sooner they get there - the better it is for the club and the player.

If they let Reichel take his lumps 3 years ago - he would probably be starting to come into his own now. Not like that would have been anymore detrimental to his confidence then where he is now.

I'm not anti development.

I've said that Arty should stay another year at MSU put on another 5 kilos and come into the NHL an absolute monster next year.

I think Moore should spend probably 3 at Minnesota. Rinzel should probably spend 3 minimum. (total so 2 more years for the two of them)

Beau Vert should probably spend at least two seasons at North Dakota.

Most of that is because I think the NCAA is a better developmental environment than the AHL which is more a meat grinder and place holder rather than a developmental league.

Guys from the various Canadian junior leagues I think should go straight to the NHL if they have enough skill level and physical maturity - get hit over the head for two years - kinda like Jack Hughes did - and see if they figure it out. Korchinski's progress should be an interesting look at that scenario.

Datsyuk and Zetterburg starting on the 3rd and 4th lines as young players is also a better alternative IMO.

Some guys like Patrick Sharp need extra time but I think he's an outlier rather than the standard.

AHL time would not have helped Dach become less of an 90 kilo featherweight that gets knocked on his ass way too easily because there's no lead in it.
- fattybeef

And if they want to come out in 2, you really have no choice because then you end up with a McGroarty situation.

I read somewhere because he went to Michigan State he's eligible to play in the AHL.
- BetweenTheDots

Only if he signs his ELC, then he can't play college because he is a "pro"