Kolosov not at rookie camp? Anyone know anything? Last year Quitter didn’t show up and we know what happened. Did Briere say anything?

Good for Tony Richard...we got our 1C
- Glak18

For the Phantoms.

Kolosov not at rookie camp? Anyone know anything? Last year Quitter didn’t show up and we know what happened. Did Briere say anything?
- mikeyo27

https://www.msn.com/en-us...elopment-camp/ar-BB1pdOf3

Brière said Kolosov not attending camp was mainly because of “logistics,” and not related to rumors that Kolosov wants to return to the KHL. The Flyers expect the goalie to attend training camp later this summer.

“He’s played three years pro. Usually, that’s about the cutoff for our guys [attending development camp],” Brière said. “We just gave him the option to stay home a little longer. ... I know there’s the rumblings, but we’ve been in discussions with him and he’s told us there’s nothing to that.”

Is he allowed to leave Canada?
- mikeyo27

Yes with special work permit.

Atkinson signs with Tampa. 1 yr 900k

That's simply false. You can't build a winning team culture and a team with a winning identity without talent and skill. Building a team culture and identity without talent, will not get you anywhere in this league. The Flyers are proof of that. A team lacking in skill and talent can develop all the proper habits of what it takes to play hockey as a professional day and day out and it won't matter. They may compete and not be a pushover but they will not contend. The Flyers extend players like Hathaway and bring back players such as Erik Johnson because they drastically overvalue the qualities they have and fail to understand the proper way to rebuild and form a team. They've been using the same methods as a franchise forever and have not been relevant as a team in over a decade. Why is that? They've been lacking in talent and skill




Richards and Carter weren't traded because of having anything to do with culture. They were traded because the team had salary cap issues and the prospect base was completely barren. I guess you're unaware that Briere was frequently seen out "partying" with Richards and Carter.



LA won due to having the right mix of talent and players. Richards and Carter did not change or adapt to anything. They added to the mix of talent and quality players.



The Flyers haven't lost their identity. That's the problem. They need to lose their identity. Stop using the same old archaic methods and relying on all the nonsense of culture and identity that you talk about. Bring in talent speed and skill and move into the methods of the modern day NHL



Is that it, we lack patience and hope as we watch this franchise operate with the same methods and flawed philosophies that have shown that they're in the running for the worse run franchise in the NHL. This team will never win the Cup with the current hierarchy in place, now will they be any kind of building block for any future hierarchy.




No it doesn't. Success can only happen from an addition and talent and skill. Culture alone has never been and never will be the main ingredient for success.



A fan being well grounded in the reality of the state of the franchise is not negativity. You don't realize it but you're part of the problem. You're the gullible fan that they target with their rhetoric of culture and locker room and playing the right way. They have you and as long as there are enough of you, they will never change. Nothing has ever been accomplished in sports or life by those unwilling to challenge the status quo and challenge to be better. You foolishly think it's about not liking you? Your post here is an embarrassment and is delusional. You're not based in reality
- MJL

you've been here discussing them every day since 2007. who is the gullible fan? the folks who simply want to enjoy the ride? or the miserable ones who can't leave?

it's not that serious, man.

your insistence on being right all while having put together exactly zero nhl teams yourself is the only thing that is embarrassing.

Cue the "i have a higher standard and want to see a perennial cup contender" - trust me. we are all very impressed. I want a pony for christmas.

Bill didn’t do a today in Flyers history today. I wonder why. Something definitely happened 10 years ago today. And the mods here went absolutely nuts trying to erase it from existence

Correct for the most part. Don't inhibit him as a player. Let him play his game, gain confidence and learn what he can do in the NHL. Let him learn from his mistakes. Coach him along the way but unless his shows an insubordinate attitude. Keep giving him the ice time and opportunity in all of the best offensive situations. Let him be who he is. No matter how many mistakes he makes. Don't tie one hand behind his back and make him into a checking forward before you let him loose. It will take time for him to grow and mature.
- MJL

Nope I like my way better. You know why? Because I don’t want (frank)head torts trying to teach this kid ANYTHING. Or his sideshow rocky (frank) fake statue man name. I don’t want mm to even hear anything other than his number called for line change. NOTHING. Now if they get rid of torts and this bozo staff yeah we can go with your approach lol

Building the culture and identity of a team is equally if not more important than just having a group of highly skilled players. The Flyers core is currently and will continue to add young players who need to learn and develop the proper habits of what it takes to play hockey as a professional day in and day out. If you look at how Garnet H. is always giving 100%, whether thats each shift during a game or how he trains through out the entire year and then go listen to the coaches that have worked with him say you easily understand why they felt he was worth extending. Danny B said basically the same thing with regards to bringing Eric Johnson back....

Many longtime fans of the Flyers, myself included, were very disappointed when then captain Mike Richards and Jeff Carter who had the A were traded away. If I recall correctly the reasoning was that as the team leaders they were creating a poor culture to start growing as many were reportedly out partying quite often both in and off season causing a ripple affect. After they were both shipped out, the locker room identity was quickly revamped leading with Pronger getting named captain and Timonen and Briere getting the A's in hopes of helping set a better example for then young players Giroux, Coots, Simmonds and Bob.

Even though Richards and Carter went on to help LA win Cups, that Kings team had a solid "culture" already in place that they adapted to. The Flyers "team culture" and identity also appeared to be headed back in the correct direction after the changes were made, personally I felt like we had a team that would compete for the Cup for quite a few years.

I believe and think Briere and Jonesy realized that this was the moment when the Flyers culture got lost. They both were witnesses to the impulsive mistake of trading Bobby instead of developing him and the misfortunate follow through of a stick that caught Pronger in the eye where veteran leadership was replaced to soon were the catalysts that ultimately has lead to the Flyers slowly losing their identity along with the culture that was built by the Bullies as a team to be feared to play against. It is also the moment when I noticed so many fans losing hope and becoming bitter year after year.

Many comments on this forum about current draft picks and signings are the perfect example of how venomous and impatient many who bled orange and black over the years have become. They are desperately in need of a blood transfusion so they can enjoy THIS moment!!! A transfusion that renews their capacity of hope and trust that gives them the ability to delay their own ego's desire of instant gratification of being right vs long term the plan of Briere, Jones and the entire organization that will gratify all of our dreams of another Flyers parade down Broad Street with the Cup!!!

Success starts with rebuilding the Culture from the top down, this signing is a recognition of the early building blocks for a good foundation.

For those of you who still bleed Orange and Black but have lost hope and choose to share your negativity its understood and forgiven however for those of you that are hear to spread negativity and hate or do not want to be a part of the Flyers family that roots for their success .... I say to you ... F#@K -OFF!! ... You don't like us and we don't care!!!!

Let's Go Flyers


- EBPflyer

I just dipped in here and have been trying to understand your post for the past 5 mins.

Culture was being headed in the right direction after the Richards-Carter trade then the trade of "Bobby" and the stick to the eye of Pronger destroyed it? "Bobby" could not have been the lynchpin of that culture, so that trade is irrelevant. And that leaves Pronger. So, that one stick to the eye undid the culture?

And what do you mean by "veteran leadership replaced? Which veteran leader was replaced by another? Umberger for Hartnell?

And your solution to the malaise is by reviving culture with Hathaway and Johnson?

Is this StepfordSam with a parody post?

Miro went 3rd.
Makar went 4th
Did it mean anything? How the fuq could Dallas take miro in front of makar when they were obviously gonna draft a dman?


Provorov went 7
Werenski went 8

How the fuq did flyers draft POOPEROV instead of werenski when they obviously were drafting a dman?

Class of ‘83 qb’s. How the fuq did elway go before Marino. Or Eason before Kelly or whatever


See it doesn’t even matter the sport. In every draft you will find a CONSENSUS (you do know what that means right?) top whatever could be 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 whatever of whatever the position is.

Why is your brain not get this? I can’t make this clearer. There was a CONSESUS of 5/6 dmen that projected to go in top 10.

Just like the ‘83 class of qb’s was a consensus of 5.


The opinions of which player is better or where drafted varies widely. But the consensus is they were top 10 picks. So to have one of them (it doesn’t matter which one) happened to be zeev fall to 12 was a gift. It doesn’t matter if it was Richardinson or salayiv or which of the 5/6 dmen they weren’t supposed to be there at 12. Same as mm shouldn’t have been there at 7 last year.


Please for the (frank)ing love of god stop saying 11 other teams passed on him. It doesn’t matter. Why the (frank) we’re teams calling db to trade up to 12 and who were they trying to land? The last dmen that was the consensus best of bunch (zeev in this case ) and I bet minny is laughing that he was there and they got him. Who knows which one will turn out with the best career of the bunch. Each team very well could’ve put them in different order.


You continue to try to make it as tho he isn’t as good because 11 teams passed on him and he was last d taken of the bunch. It’s stupid. And you continue to disregard that not every team wanted or is building with dman first. Celibrini catton demigod
Lindstrom sennecke that’s 5 right there take those out now where did zeev go? 7th.
- Stayin alive

Was drafting Sennecke over all the players that went afterwards a huge mistake for the Ducks ... NO-one knows what the outcome is going to be unless you are one of the many Flyers internet armchair GM's ...

What a "GREAT TEAM", knows is that they are building something TOGETHER NOW, they put in the work to discover a persons habits, work ethic and character. Then they start to build TRUST..... if along the way a the teammate recognizes that a member of the team isn't doing his job, it should be communicated to the entire group that offers the support and another opportunity - This is a foundational piece of building good CULTURE. It's positive energy not negative energy that builds a GREAT TEAM.
It takes time and patience to build up trust and culture.

The core group of the current Flyers management appear to be working as Team!!!

They said their rebuild plan was going to take 4 to 5 years .... to me that is a refreshing new philosophy to how the Flyers operations department has been run and an acknowledgment that worked well in the past during the pre-cap era of unlimited spending on free agents gave a decent percentage no longer works.

The Flyers management team have been transparent about and identified the key areas they believe need to produce at a higher level......

NOW LET THEM COOK!!!!!

Lets Go Flyers

Bill didn’t do a today in Flyers history today. I wonder why. Something definitely happened 10 years ago today. And the mods here went absolutely nuts trying to erase it from existence
- hereticpride

Baffling posts today.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...read_id=118523&forum_id=1

What happened? Something on this board? I see nothing.

I see Tye McGinn was traded to Sharks.

Baffling stuff.

Was drafting Sennecke over all the players that went afterwards a huge mistake for the Ducks ... NO-one knows what the outcome is going to be unless you are one of the many Flyers internet armchair GM's ...

What a "GREAT TEAM", knows is that they are building something TOGETHER NOW, they put in the work to discover a persons habits, work ethic and character. Then they start to build TRUST..... if along the way a the teammate recognizes that a member of the team isn't doing his job, it should be communicated to the entire group that offers the support and another opportunity - This is a foundational piece of building good CULTURE. It's positive energy not negative energy that builds a GREAT TEAM.
It takes time and patience to build up trust and culture.

The core group of the current Flyers management appear to be working as Team!!!

They said their rebuild plan was going to take 4 to 5 years .... to me that is a refreshing new philosophy to how the Flyers operations department has been run and an acknowledgment that worked well in the past during the pre-cap era of unlimited spending on free agents gave a decent percentage no longer works.

The Flyers management team have been transparent about and identified the key areas they believe need to produce at a higher level......

NOW LET THEM COOK!!!!!

Lets Go Flyers
- EBPflyer

Oh not Stepford Sam. It's Joe Biden.

Nope I like my way better. You know why? Because I don’t want (frank)head torts trying to teach this kid ANYTHING. Or his sideshow rocky (frank) fake statue man name. I don’t want mm to even hear anything other than his number called for line change. NOTHING. Now if they get rid of torts and this bozo staff yeah we can go with your approach lol
- Stayin alive

It's not reality to completely remove coaching from the picture. He needs coaching but the right coaching. Overall I think we're in agreement that Tortorella is not the right coach for Michkov.

Was drafting Sennecke over all the players that went afterwards a huge mistake for the Ducks ... NO-one knows what the outcome is going to be unless you are one of the many Flyers internet armchair GM's ...

What a "GREAT TEAM", knows is that they are building something TOGETHER NOW, they put in the work to discover a persons habits, work ethic and character. Then they start to build TRUST..... if along the way a the teammate recognizes that a member of the team isn't doing his job, it should be communicated to the entire group that offers the support and another opportunity - This is a foundational piece of building good CULTURE. It's positive energy not negative energy that builds a GREAT TEAM.
It takes time and patience to build up trust and culture.

The core group of the current Flyers management appear to be working as Team!!!

They said their rebuild plan was going to take 4 to 5 years .... to me that is a refreshing new philosophy to how the Flyers operations department has been run and an acknowledgment that worked well in the past during the pre-cap era of unlimited spending on free agents gave a decent percentage no longer works.

The Flyers management team have been transparent about and identified the key areas they believe need to produce at a higher level......

NOW LET THEM COOK!!!!!

Lets Go Flyers
- EBPflyer

Boy, they've got you good. Hook line and sinker. The Flyers aren't rebuilding. It's a myth that they're perpetuating to their overall gullible fan base. You're apparently the poster child.

https://www.msn.com/en-us...elopment-camp/ar-BB1pdOf3
- MBFlyerfan

Much appreciated!!!!! Thanks

Was drafting Sennecke over all the players that went afterwards a huge mistake for the Ducks ... NO-one knows what the outcome is going to be unless you are one of the many Flyers internet armchair GM's ...

What a "GREAT TEAM", knows is that they are building something TOGETHER NOW, they put in the work to discover a persons habits, work ethic and character. Then they start to build TRUST..... if along the way a the teammate recognizes that a member of the team isn't doing his job, it should be communicated to the entire group that offers the support and another opportunity - This is a foundational piece of building good CULTURE. It's positive energy not negative energy that builds a GREAT TEAM.
It takes time and patience to build up trust and culture.

The core group of the current Flyers management appear to be working as Team!!!

They said their rebuild plan was going to take 4 to 5 years .... to me that is a refreshing new philosophy to how the Flyers operations department has been run and an acknowledgment that worked well in the past during the pre-cap era of unlimited spending on free agents gave a decent percentage no longer works.

The Flyers management team have been transparent about and identified the key areas they believe need to produce at a higher level......

NOW LET THEM COOK!!!!!

Lets Go Flyers
- EBPflyer

Hey my pick I thought Philly was taking was sennecke what I do know is Ana was nuts for not trading back if he was their guy. When even the prospect is on tv saying “what the (frank)” when it’s announced pretty safe to say ya would’ve been ok to trade back a little. Probably didn’t even try.

Atkinson signs with Tampa. 1 yr 900k
- MBFlyerfan

Good for Cam. Seems like a good dude and has a chance to win

I just dipped in here and have been trying to understand your post for the past 5 mins.

Culture was being headed in the right direction after the Richards-Carter trade then the trade of "Bobby" and the stick to the eye of Pronger destroyed it? "Bobby" could not have been the lynchpin of that culture, so that trade is irrelevant. And that leaves Pronger. So, that one stick to the eye undid the culture?

And what do you mean by "veteran leadership replaced? Which veteran leader was replaced by another? Umberger for Hartnell?

And your solution to the malaise is by reviving culture with Hathaway and Johnson?

Is this StepfordSam with a parody post?
- PT21

Wel done. 😂😂😂

Was drafting Sennecke over all the players that went afterwards a huge mistake for the Ducks ... NO-one knows what the outcome is going to be unless you are one of the many Flyers internet armchair GM's ...

What a "GREAT TEAM", knows is that they are building something TOGETHER NOW, they put in the work to discover a persons habits, work ethic and character. Then they start to build TRUST..... if along the way a the teammate recognizes that a member of the team isn't doing his job, it should be communicated to the entire group that offers the support and another opportunity - This is a foundational piece of building good CULTURE. It's positive energy not negative energy that builds a GREAT TEAM.
It takes time and patience to build up trust and culture.

The core group of the current Flyers management appear to be working as Team!!!

They said their rebuild plan was going to take 4 to 5 years .... to me that is a refreshing new philosophy to how the Flyers operations department has been run and an acknowledgment that worked well in the past during the pre-cap era of unlimited spending on free agents gave a decent percentage no longer works.

The Flyers management team have been transparent about and identified the key areas they believe need to produce at a higher level......

NOW LET THEM COOK!!!!!

Lets Go Flyers
- EBPflyer

Jd250… you’re not doing a good enough job of hiding your burner account

That's simply false. You can't build a winning team culture and a team with a winning identity without talent and skill. Building a team culture and identity without talent, will not get you anywhere in this league. The Flyers are proof of that. A team lacking in skill and talent can develop all the proper habits of what it takes to play hockey as a professional day and day out and it won't matter. They may compete and not be a pushover but they will not contend. The Flyers extend players like Hathaway and bring back players such as Erik Johnson because they drastically overvalue the qualities they have and fail to understand the proper way to rebuild and form a team. They've been using the same methods as a franchise forever and have not been relevant as a team in over a decade. Why is that? They've been lacking in talent and skill.


Hmmm I never said talent wasn't needed... I said team culture and team identity were at least equally as important if not more. Skill needs to be identified and developed. A teams culture must start from the top, identifying quality and building a vision of what you think gives you the best chance of winning.

I can question lots of past choices.... 88 was my favorite player in the league when he was a Flyer.... How was the teams culture, why was Brindy traded, if you are a fan you know the rumors?



Richards and Carter weren't traded because of having anything to do with culture. They were traded because the team had salary cap issues and the prospect base was completely barren. I guess you're unaware that Briere was frequently seen out "partying" with Richards and Carter.


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LA won due to having the right mix of talent and players. Richards and Carter did not change or adapt to anything. They added to the mix of talent and quality players.

Exactly those quality players in LA had already built the culture inside the locker room prior to Carts and Richie joining the team.



The Flyers haven't lost their identity. That's the problem. They need to lose their identity. Stop using the same old archaic methods and relying on all the nonsense of culture and identity that you talk about. Bring in talent speed and skill and move into the methods of the modern day NHL

Not sure where I said something that led you to believe I thought they didn't need a new identity, all teams need to build new identity each year whether they base it on an organizational theory or coaching philosophies will influence it. I actually would agree that they held on to the past and didn't evolve quickly enough post the no cap era.



Is that it, we lack patience and hope as we watch this franchise operate with the same methods and flawed philosophies that have shown that they're in the running for the worse run franchise in the NHL. This team will never win the Cup with the current hierarchy in place, now will they be any kind of building block for any future hierarchy.

Agree to disagree .... You can prove me wrong in 4 years


No it doesn't. Success can only happen from an addition and talent and skill. Culture alone has never been and never will be the main ingredient for success.



A fan being well grounded in the reality of the state of the franchise is not negativity. You don't realize it but you're part of the problem. You're the gullible fan that they target with their rhetoric of culture and locker room and playing the right way. They have you and as long as there are enough of you, they will never change. Nothing has ever been accomplished in sports or life by those unwilling to challenge the status quo and challenge to be better. You foolishly think it's about not liking you? Your post here is an embarrassment and is delusional. You're not based in reality
- MJL

You haven't got clue about me .... only assumptions you are making on your interpretation of my words .... be more intelligent and ask me some questions.

Hey my pick I thought Philly was taking was sennecke what I do know is Ana was nuts for not trading back if he was their guy. When even the prospect is on tv saying “what the (frank)” when it’s announced pretty safe to say ya would’ve been ok to trade back a little. Probably didn’t even try.
- Stayin alive

Sorry I should have stated that I was just using the comment you made about Sennecke as a reference point when judging picks and talent.

Good for Cam. Seems like a good dude and has a chance to win
- Flyfly

Yea, maybe the warmer climate will rejuvenate his banged up vehicle (body)

Yea, maybe the warmer climate will rejuvenate his banged up vehicle (body)
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Certainly couldn’t hurt lol. Just seems like a genuinely good person. Hope he gets a shot and can be a part of a very good team.

It's not reality to completely remove coaching from the picture. He needs coaching but the right coaching. Overall I think we're in agreement that Tortorella is not the right coach for Michkov.
- MJL

My bet is most of the Torts naysayers thought Paul Maurice wasn't the correct coach for the Panthers either before the season.....

It's not reality to completely remove coaching from the picture. He needs coaching but the right coaching. Overall I think we're in agreement that Tortorella is not the right coach for Michkov.
- MJL

Fine. Tell his interpreter to not actually translate any thing torts is telling him. Make it be the opposite. Deal. This way torts thinks he’s actually coaching him