Victor Hedman just signed a 4 year extension @ 8 million per…I don’t a give a flying (frank) about the tax breaks…TK is not close to that class of player.
- landros 2

and Hedman is a truly special player.

Although I'm happy the Flyers have signed Michkov (and give props to GMDB for his work to get him over here), I was almost hoping it would be another year or two before he came over. Reason being the Flyers are likely not going to be good this coming or the following season, and chances are MM would have a more competitive team to play on in Russia. The thought of him steeping for an extra year or two in the Flyers mediocre at best atmosphere is a big, flashing yellow light to me.

But it's water under the bridge now - just hope the coaches can help him develop to his NHL potential, and that the team as a whole is better than I expect them to be.

Are people really crying over Hathaway getting a 25k raise? Who cares he got 2 more years. I thought people wanted them to be bad to get a high draft picks.
- WhiskeyMan

It's not about the raise, it's about the fact that he would have been a good trade chip at the 2025 deadline.

Although I'm happy the Flyers have signed Michkov (and give props to GMDB for his work to get him over here), I was almost hoping it would be another year or two before he came over. Reason being the Flyers are likely not going to be good this coming or the following season, and chances are MM would have a more competitive team to play on in Russia. The thought of him steeping for an extra year or two in the Flyers mediocre at best atmosphere is a big, flashing yellow light to me.

But it's water under the bridge now - just hope the coaches can help him develop to his NHL potential, and that the team as a whole is better than I expect them to be.
- copelal

I agree with you. I was also hoping that Tortorella would be history before he came over.

TK aside, the state tax exemption is certainly a thing lol you’d be a fool to think otherwise. Folks don’t understand how contract negotiations work either, TK doesn’t think he’s going to get $10M.
- ClaudeFather

from the flyers he does as he knows they are dopse

Although I'm happy the Flyers have signed Michkov (and give props to GMDB for his work to get him over here), I was almost hoping it would be another year or two before he came over. Reason being the Flyers are likely not going to be good this coming or the following season, and chances are MM would have a more competitive team to play on in Russia. The thought of him steeping for an extra year or two in the Flyers mediocre at best atmosphere is a big, flashing yellow light to me.

But it's water under the bridge now - just hope the coaches can help him develop to his NHL potential, and that the team as a whole is better than I expect them to be.
- copelal

I don't think he was in a good place in Russia. I can understand the concern around how Torts and us being bad will impact him. But when weighed against the situation over in Russia getting him out was the much smarter move.

True, but what happens if he a a great year and demands more than a 25k raise. Then you have to either have to pay him or hope to find someone to replace.

He is just a filler on the fourth line
- WhiskeyMan

Simple - you trade him at the TDL. If people are fretting over finding GH's replacement we really need to take a step back and try to get with reality.

I think TK can be part of the solution here, but clearly trading him now would in fact make the Flyers pretty much a bottom 5 team in the league next year, no doubt. Could the Flyers trade other veteran players and also be in the bottom 1/3 of the league, absolutely. As I stated this team is a fragile house of cards, so between trading away players like Laughton and Farabee, the inevitable injuries to TK and Couts, and the assured overplaying of Deslauriers and the 4th line, the Flyers should be in good shape regardless.
- jd250

inevitable injury to tk yet you want to keep him another 8 years.

he is part of this losing ass culture. get him out of here asap.

Do you like read stuff on the internet of just keep your ear to the Flyerzbuzz echo chamber??

Chicago just signed 6 free agents yesterday, and the youngest is T Bertuzzi who will be 30 next year. They got guys, 34, 36, 36, 31 ..But same poop, different day .

https://chicago.suntimes....rtuzzi-broissoit-martinez
- Flyerz74

Yeah now go look at their last 3 drafts. What do you see. Now go look at Philly last 3 drafts what do you see.

My comments were obviously intended to be over the last few seasons when teams were CLEARLY rebuilding. Obviously once you have a few drafts like chi/ana/sj have had it’s time to add a little to help mentor and take next step of rebuild.

Do you like read stuff on the internet of just keep your ear to the Flyerzbuzz echo chamber??

Chicago just signed 6 free agents yesterday, and the youngest is T Bertuzzi who will be 30 next year. They got guys, 34, 36, 36, 31 ..But same poop, different day .

https://chicago.suntimes....rtuzzi-broissoit-martinez
- Flyerz74

al short term deals that will have no bearing or long term consequences on any future issues cap wise or otherwise.

It's not about the raise, it's about the fact that he would have been a good trade chip at the 2025 deadline.
- Feanor

In theory he's still a good trade chip at the deadline. In reality, we both know he's not going anywhere.
Not super concerned with this move tbh. He's better than others not named on our 4th line.
I'm much more concerned with the dead cap space this season from buyouts, injuries and burying players. That said, it forces Danny to not make swing for the fences moves right now - so it has a silver lining.
This is a dance, between winning, losing, getting better for the future. People aren't going to agree. I fully expect us to stink next year with a few bright spots. And hopefully next year's draft will not leave us as concerned as this one. It shifts the pressure - they cannot miss on some of those picks.

Simple - you trade him at the TDL. If people are fretting over finding GH's replacement we really need to take a step back and try to get with reality.
- Flyfly

They don't need to replace him, as in finding a comparable player. They need to acquire future assets and use the lineup spot to develop younger players. Every team needs role players. Why do the Flyers continually have to find role players from outside the organization and overpay them? They routinely refuse to bring up younger players, let them play and live with the growing pains. Instead, players are left in the AHL until they're no longer in the teams picture and are moved. A lot of times due to lack of opportunity given.

And that’s why I think Briere is not this great young bright GM they are trying to sell the fan base on. I’m seeing the same disjointed thinking I saw with the last two guys. The Konecny signing will just be the icing on the cake. It’s these half assed approaches that have the Flyers where they are.
- landros 2

danny boy learned from chuck. he is following his footsteps. being the great "collaborator".

not much faith in him at all.

This is the beginning for you. You are starting the next phase in your all too familiar pattern. Slowly and gradually moving away from your ridiculous and obviously wrong previous positions. Slowly but surely after being completely obstinate to reality. There is more than a good chance that Chicago, Anaheim and SJ will pass the Flyers. It's a virtual guarantee. Add in Columbus to that list also.

As long as Tortorella is involved, add in Jones for that matter. The Flyers are going nowhere. Briere is not far behind.
- MJL

I am not moving away from all of my previous positions, but as facts come up I will adapt what I think of the situation. For example, as I have stated many times, I would love TK to remian a Flyer. I think he is a great player. However, if he is going to demand Reinhart or Guentzel money I think the Flyers will have no choice but to move on from him and I think that is the right thing to do.

I also don't believe Luchenko was a reach, not wavering from that opinion.

But this does not stop me from being critical of the team or org when they deserve it. Last year I didn't like how Torts coached down the stretch, benching the captain, blowing off pressers and I stated as much. I think Torts more than anyone else was the reason the team faltered down the stretch. I have been critical of Briere for not being more aggressive in this draft, stating how other GMS from SJ/Chicago/Anaheim are schooling him right now. I have also stated going into next draft without a top 5 pick will be disasterous. So I been critical throughout. The difference is I don't kill them for everything that happens, for example the Guathier situation which I still believe the Flyers did nothing wrong and its on the player. Simialr situation now in Winnipeg.

BOOM! Was about to write something similar but you nailed it.
- Flyfly

Over the next 2 drafts, Chicago has 1 more pick in the first 3 rounds than the Flyer do.

Flyers have 4 1st round picks compared to Chicago who has 3
Flyers have 2 2nd round pick compared to Chicago who also has 4
Flyers have 3 3rd round pick compared to Chicago who also has 1

After the 24-25 season the flyers will have 7 free agents, Chicago will also have 7.
After the 25-26 season the flyers will have 6 players coming off contracts, Chicago will have 12.

Chicago has no one to trade while the flyers do have a some pieces team would be interested in

This is not fair at all. I don't "suck off" every move they make. Just because I defended the Luchenko pick as not a reach does not mean I don't see what else is going on and agree with it. I try my best not to come from a jaded position as some on this forum do, where I assume Briere and Jones will be as bad or worse than Flether or Hextall. I give them the benefit of the doubt and see what happens. So far this off-season has been very, very disappointing and Briere and Jones are losing stock with me.
- jd250

seeing the current team, what's in the pipeline, and the future look I am not understanding in any way how you can think this team is on the road to contention.

they are so far away it is sickening really. capped out, no high-end prospects, current roster full of vanilla average league type players, archaic philosophy and thought process.

How can you get excited for that?

This is not fair at all. I don't "suck off" every move they make. Just because I defended the Luchenko pick as not a reach does not mean I don't see what else is going on and agree with it. I try my best not to come from a jaded position as some on this forum do, where I assume Briere and Jones will be as bad or worse than Flether or Hextall. I give them the benefit of the doubt and see what happens. So far this off-season has been very, very disappointing and Briere and Jones are losing stock with me.
- jd250

Again if you see what other teams CLEARLY DID AND ARE DOING. And you see time and time again the results that those moves or actions bring then I ask you this


If Philly continues to do the opposite and you know this why logically DO YOU GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF TGE DOUBT? That’s a cop out. That’s sucking them off. You KNOW the result. You’ve seen it. The only logical thing to do is not only criticize those moves but to not accept it. You don’t give the benefit of doubt. That’s stupid.

If I touch a hot stove and get burned and you watch me do it 6 days in a row on the 7th day when I go to touch the hot stove and I look at you and tell you I won’t get burned this time do you give me the benefit of the doubt I am right? Or do look at me and say man this is 1 dumb mother (frank)er

I am not moving away from all of my previous positions, but as facts come up I will adapt what I think of the situation. For example, as I have stated many times, I would love TK to remian a Flyer. I think he is a great player. However, if he is going to demand Reinhart or Guentzel money I think the Flyers will have no choice but to move on from him and I think that is the right thing to do.


- jd250

Of course you are . As reality finally sinks in. It takes a lot for you. As I've often said, you realize the sun came up today around dinner time.

I also don't believe Luchenko was a reach, not wavering from that opinion.

But this does not stop me from being critical of the team or org when they deserve it. Last year I didn't like how Torts coached down the stretch, benching the captain, blowing off pressers and I stated as much. I think Torts more than anyone else was the reason the team faltered down the stretch. I have been critical of Briere for not being more aggressive in this draft, stating how other GMS from SJ/Chicago/Anaheim are schooling him right now. I have also stated going into next draft without a top 5 pick will be disasterous. So I been critical throughout. The difference is I don't kill them for everything that happens, for example the Guathier situation which I still believe the Flyers did nothing wrong and its on the player. Simialr situation now in Winnipeg.
- jd250

You're not critical. Those are all examples of the very same. When it becomes impossible for you to continue, you reluctantly relent and accept reality. Long, long after the fact that it is reality.

It wasn't a huge reach but the Flyers did reach. They passed up a more highly skilled player and their stated reasons for doing so were badly flawed and quite frankly, stupid.

You hope with Barkey, Luchenko and some of the other picks DB hits, that they find a B Point in the mix.


Last year, with Coots coming back, kids taking a step forward and lack of injuries, the Flyers were going to be a bubble team, the were. Hell, we got lucky with the injuries down the stretch, Coots burning out and Ego boy, those factors allowed the Flyers to miss the playoffs.

I do think, this upcoming season sets up for a bottom 10 finish. Other teams just go better, some teams that faltered last year will be better. I hope for an entertaining season, kids to grow, MM to win the Calder, Coots to be healthy and for Torts to get what he deserves. DB needs to make good hockey trades and pick up more picks in 25 and 26.

If all exceeds expectations, and they are in the push for the playoffs, yes, I will pull for them to make the playoffs.

I will say this, the fact that Michkov is here and we all hope will be the 1st line RW for this team for a decade or more, paying TK big money comparable to Reinhart of Guentzel make absolutely no sense. I wonder when Briere yesterday talked about some trades in the works if TK was part of any of them.
- jd250

Now you are on right path. Don’t wonder tho. Hope tk is part of a package.

But hope is dangerous. Because again time after time this team makes the wrong move. See coots extension

Over the next 2 drafts, Chicago has 1 more pick in the first 3 rounds than the Flyer do.

Flyers have 4 1st round picks compared to Chicago who has 3
Flyers have 2 2nd round pick compared to Chicago who also has 4
Flyers have 3 3rd round pick compared to Chicago who also has 1

After the 24-25 season the flyers will have 7 free agents, Chicago will also have 7.
After the 25-26 season the flyers will have 6 players coming off contracts, Chicago will have 12.

Chicago has no one to trade while the flyers do have a some pieces team would be interested in
- WhiskeyMan

What does Chicago have that the Flyers don't?

If I touch a hot stove and get burned and you watch me do it 6 days in a row on the 7th day when I go to touch the hot stove and I look at you and tell you I won’t get burned this time do you give me the benefit of the doubt I am right? Or do look at me and say man this is 1 dumb mother (frank)er
- Stayin alive

I love this. Sadly it is accurate of the Flyers and also of jd250's opinion.

Over the next 2 drafts, Chicago has 1 more pick in the first 3 rounds than the Flyer do.

Flyers have 4 1st round picks compared to Chicago who has 3
Flyers have 2 2nd round pick compared to Chicago who also has 4
Flyers have 3 3rd round pick compared to Chicago who also has 1

After the 24-25 season the flyers will have 7 free agents, Chicago will also have 7.
After the 25-26 season the flyers will have 6 players coming off contracts, Chicago will have 12.

Chicago has no one to trade while the flyers do have a some pieces team would be interested in
- WhiskeyMan

now go and look at what CHI has in young talent on the roster and in the pipeline. One of those is a borderline generational player. And they have plenty of players to trade. Look at who was signed so far this offseason by CHI. All short term deals that they can flip for more assets this year and/or next. Past history tells us that CHI knows exactly how to rebuild and they will most likely take a step forward this year.

This is the beginning for you. You are starting the next phase in your all too familiar pattern. Slowly and gradually moving away from your ridiculous and obviously wrong previous positions. Slowly but surely after being completely obstinate to reality. There is more than a good chance that Chicago, Anaheim and SJ will pass the Flyers. It's a virtual guarantee. Add in Columbus to that list also.

As long as Tortorella is involved, add in Jones for that matter. The Flyers are going nowhere. Briere is not far behind.
- MJL

To be fair… they pissed away 2 years ago at tdl and draft. They completely pissed away last season. They pissed away this draft. But they still can make the right choice. They are now in the 11th hour as they say. Such a simple thing. Move tk laughts etc but I have zero faith they make the correct move but to be fair there’s still time

Over the next 2 drafts, Chicago has 1 more pick in the first 3 rounds than the Flyer do.

Flyers have 4 1st round picks compared to Chicago who has 3
Flyers have 2 2nd round pick compared to Chicago who also has 4
Flyers have 3 3rd round pick compared to Chicago who also has 1

After the 24-25 season the flyers will have 7 free agents, Chicago will also have 7.
After the 25-26 season the flyers will have 6 players coming off contracts, Chicago will have 12.

Chicago has no one to trade while the flyers do have a some pieces team would be interested in
- WhiskeyMan

How is that even remotely true.

Chicago also has the reigning Calder Trophy winner. And a prospect pool deeper than arguably anyone in the league.