For me its not about their current roster in Chicago, its about the players they are developing in their farm system. They have made some very nice picks and in a few years are going to have oodles of talent playing along side Bedard. Who do the Flyers have developing in their system to play with Michkov right now, maybe Bonk and Luchenko who are boht aobut two years away? That's the difference. Briere needed to be more aggressive in this draft IMO once Michkov was coming over to accelerate getting good players ready to play with him.
- jd250

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younger players don't count apparently: "Young players means crap, lots of teams have players in the pipeline."

MM can't be just as good as Bedard for one simple reason, he doesn't play a cornerstone position. Crosby, McDavid, Stamkos, Bedard are centers. Wingers simply aren't though of as highly as centers. Regardless how well he does in the future, he's just never going to be that guy.

MM is valuable and could end up being the most valuable player on the Flyers but he's not a cornerstone. The Flyers do not understand roster building and never will.

Think about this, the Blackhawks had the #2 overall draft pick this year and there were no combination of players or picks the Flyers could've offered for it. Why? Because the Blackhawks were going to draft their second cornerstone player, a potential #1 franchise defenseman and those guys are worth their weight in gold. What good is having all these extra draft picks if they can't buy you what you need? Getting to 4th this year would've cost MORE than 3 1sts and according to Bill they might've drafted Jett at that spot.

No, the Flyers only hope is that projected exceptional players at cornerstone positions fall to them like Buium but even then there's no guarantee they will recognize it.
- Flyers_01

Ovechkin is a winger and one of the most well known players in the league. Just say’n.

I am going to wait until the off season completes and see what this team is at training camp. If moves are not made between now and then and the Flyers are bringing back essentially the same team I will be concerned; but not because I think they will be bad, but because I think they will be too good, especially as Michkov develops throughout the season.

I am fine with targeting the 2025 draft, but I will state it again, what good does it do for the Flyers to have 3 1st round picks if they are picking 15th, 22nd and 27th? If Briere and Jones realy believe the 2025 draft is a very important draft and they have to get it right, the best thing they can do is move out some veteran players that other teams want, gain even more draft capital and make sure their pick is in the top 10. They have to sacrifice this season to give themselves the best chance to get elite talent to play with Michkov. My concern is I don't believe Jones, Briere and certainly Torts are willing to do that. We'll see if any trades happen.
- jd250

You should print this and look at before everyone of your post moving forward and whatever you post ask yourself if it jives with this. lol. This is the baseline of what all your thoughts should be. If anything they DO contradicts this lambaste them for it because you know the end result.

Well of course I do. That doesn't mean that I have to give it, as you claim. It's been one stupid statement after another from you. You are woefully uninformed. A list of players on Chicago other than Bedard that are worth a dam have been given to you. Like I said, do some research and educate yourself. Or continue making a fool of yourself. Your choice and it doesn't matter to me.
- MJL

so weird!

Some initial Xweets from prospect camp is that Jett can fly and is looking good. Bonk called him a special player. So while we were all a bit take back by the pick, at least an all-too-early and super small sample size indicate a positive vibe.

well you asked what does he think about DBs trades... what trades? the 32nd pick? good trade.


i like hathaway and so does the team. it's clear you and others don't. you're out on a ledge over $2.4 mil. if you want to think the sky is falling over his 2.7% of the cap with others on a message board daily - have at it. like i said, seems healthy.

I'm not crazy about EJ but it's a nothing burger. a warm body in case of injuries. i'd almost rather have walker back tbh. god forbid he'd block some of these kids that are really busting down the door to get on the team

if DB does something good you all say "well DUH! he SHOULD HAVE done that!" so he gets no credit. When he does something you don't agree with, no matter how miniscule, you feign outrage because I guess it feels good? I really can't answer that for you.
- anti-lame

That’s a good point… but to be fair it’s not 1 singular move in of itself. Ask yourself how many of these good moves are made in a row? How many bad moves are made in a row. Or those that are considered good and bad. So yeah that’s logical when you see a good move but not followed up on then see a bad move move followed by another by another

Passes on potential #1 dman
Reaches for Jett
Signs ej
Extends gh

Mm sign elc
….
….
….


See the pattern?

Some initial Xweets from prospect camp is that Jett can fly and is looking good. Bonk called him a special player. So while we were all a bit take back by the pick, at least an all-too-early and super small sample size indicate a positive vibe.
- mikeyo27

looking good against probably 90% who will never be in the nhl.

That’s a good point… but to be fair it’s not 1 singular move in of itself. Ask yourself how many of these good moves are made in a row? How many bad moves are made in a row. Or those that are considered good and bad. So yeah that’s logical when you see a good move but not followed up on then see a bad move move followed by another by another

Passes on potential #1 dman
Reaches for Jett
Signs ej
Extends gh

Mm sign elc
….
….
….


See the pattern?
- Stayin alive

Edit: to also be fair each of these is/are debatable in of itself. That’s part of fandom. Some will put whatever is good list some will put them in bad list.

Ek really does crack me up sometimes ...

Flyers interest in Kailer Yamamoto?
Flyers are looking for a center to play with Michkov, but Yamamoto is a speedy playmaker on the wing.
Source: Eklund
- jd250

Probably google translated from his Japanese source.

looking good against probably 90% who will never be in the nhl.
- hello it's me 2050

That is quite true. Listen, we all have to find positives when they’re there. Hope is dangerous but it’s the only thing Flyers fans have. 😉

That’s a good point… but to be fair it’s not 1 singular move in of itself. Ask yourself how many of these good moves are made in a row? How many bad moves are made in a row. Or those that are considered good and bad. So yeah that’s logical when you see a good move but not followed up on then see a bad move move followed by another by another

Passes on potential #1 dman
Reaches for Jett
Signs ej
Extends gh

Mm sign elc
….
….
….


See the pattern?
- Stayin alive

Passes on potential #1 dman -> avoids a potential disaster. the kid already saw his agent get another guy out of Philly. Too soon to make your first round pick for another college player with cutters agent. is it a guarantee it would have turned out the same? no. but if it had, given all that information, the possibility of the same thing happening twice and not learning from it would be a catastrophic failure. some say "yeah but he's farabee and walkers agent too!" well we traded walker and farabee has been in trade rumors all week.

Reaches for Jett -> if this was their guy (since demidov and d!ckinson were gone) and they weren't crazy about the rest of the draft class what difference does it make if they took him 13, 17 or 20? or Craig Button's predicted #12 spot?

Signs ej -> not crazy about it but it's whatever. i get it and i'm happy to put that in the "bad move" column if we need to be black and white about it.

Extends gh -> again, they like the player. they were gonna do it anyway - getting it done early perhaps helps them plan out other upcoming roster moves. i even predicted a two year ext a month ago. i certainly like him more than DLo. I have no problem with a Cates Poehling Hathaway 4th line. They were good.

organizations want the people they want. keyword is they are people - not hockey cards - which is how many of you treat your evaluations and decisions.

I guess Washington did it wrong? Ovie has been the face of that franchise since he was drafted.
I’m not saying MM is Ovie or a generational talent.
- bird_dog_pa

Ovie is a generational talent but you can't help wondering what could've been if they had drafted Malkin? Pittsburgh got 3 cups out of the center duo.

They ended up drafting Backstrom at center a few years later at 4th overall to play with him so you really can't say they ignored the high pick center.

Ovie is a generational talent but you can't help wondering what could've been if they had drafted Malkin? Pittsburgh got 3 cups out of the center duo.

They ended up drafting Backstrom at center a few years later at 4th overall to play with him so you really can't say they ignored the high pick center.
- Flyers_01

If the Penguins draft Ovie over Malkin, they’re on the same ship they’ve always been on. Ovie is the healthier player and better scorer than Malkin. Pens also had Jordan Staal, who was as good as any two way center. They drafted Marc-Andre Fleury at number 1. Penguins were always in the right place at the right time, almost as if the league planned it.

That is quite true. Listen, we all have to find positives when they’re there. Hope is dangerous but it’s the only thing Flyers fans have. 😉
- mikeyo27

to me it makes no diff how he does. whether it is good or bad as to me it is very irrelevant.

Some initial Xweets from prospect camp is that Jett can fly and is looking good. Bonk called him a special player. So while we were all a bit take back by the pick, at least an all-too-early and super small sample size indicate a positive vibe.
- mikeyo27

It's like he's a Jet

Passes on potential #1 dman -> avoids a potential disaster. the kid already saw his agent get another guy out of Philly. Too soon to make your first round pick for another college player with cutters agent. is it a guarantee it would have turned out the same? no. but if it had, given all that information, the possibility of the same thing happening twice and not learning from it would be a catastrophic failure. some say "yeah but he's farabee and walkers agent too!" well we traded walker and farabee has been in trade rumors all week.

Reaches for Jett -> if this was their guy (since demidov and d!ckinson were gone) and they weren't crazy about the rest of the draft class what difference does it make if they took him 13, 17 or 20? or Craig Button's predicted #12 spot?

Signs ej -> not crazy about it but it's whatever. i get it and i'm happy to put that in the "bad move" column if we need to be black and white about it.

Extends gh -> again, they like the player. they were gonna do it anyway - getting it done early perhaps helps them plan out other upcoming roster moves. i even predicted a two year ext a month ago. i certainly like him more than DLo. I have no problem with a Cates Poehling Hathaway 4th line. They were good.

organizations want the people they want. keyword is they are people - not hockey cards - which is how many of you treat your evaluations and decisions.
- anti-lame

I can live with all your counterpoints except #1.

The agent doesn’t matter. Philly held cutter relights for 4 years. Plain and simple. Doesn’t matter what agent says or player. They choose to trade him when they had 100% control. That’s a Philly problem not player/agent.


So why would that factor at all into drafting another player? Regardless of who the agent is? The answer is simply it doesn’t

I can live with all your counterpoints except #1.

The agent doesn’t matter. Philly held cutter relights for 4 years. Plain and simple. Doesn’t matter what agent says or player. They choose to trade him when they had 100% control. That’s a Philly problem not player/agent.


So why would that factor at all into drafting another player? Regardless of who the agent is? The answer is simply it doesn’t
- Stayin alive

because danny boy is a scared dog and torts a pseudo tough guy.....

If the Penguins draft Ovie over Malkin, they’re on the same ship they’ve always been on. Ovie is the healthy player and better scorer than Malkin. Pens also had Jordan Staal, who was as good as any two way center. Penguins were always in the right place at the right time, almost as if the league planned it.
- roenick97

Almost as the league planned it… 😉 😉

Almost as the league planned it… 😉 😉
- Stayin alive

Oh I said what I said.

because danny boy is a scared dog and torts a pseudo tough guy.....
- hello it's me 2050

I’m still deciding which is worse :
Db said zeev gonna be a great player (so they agree with the predraft evaluation?) but they have too many like dmen in system so they went with Jett who he says they had rated similar

So either he’s lying or incompetent. Still deciding which would be worse

Oh I said what I said.
- roenick97

Oh I totally agree. I’ll go to grqve believing that draft was rigged

well you asked what does he think about DBs trades... what trades? the 32nd pick? good trade.


i like hathaway and so does the team. it's clear you and others don't. you're out on a ledge over $2.4 mil. if you want to think the sky is falling over his 2.7% of the cap with others on a message board daily - have at it. like i said, seems healthy.

I'm not crazy about EJ but it's a nothing burger. a warm body in case of injuries. i'd almost rather have walker back tbh. god forbid he'd block some of these kids that are really busting down the door to get on the team

if DB does something good you all say "well DUH! he SHOULD HAVE done that!" so he gets no credit. When he does something you don't agree with, no matter how miniscule, you feign outrage because I guess it feels good? I really can't answer that for you.
- anti-lame

Pretty long winded response that is skirting the original question in every way. Clever as you would say.

I love the fact that you hate everyone here and their opinions yet you come here every single day to female dog about the people whining. Not much different than the rest of us huh.

If the Penguins draft Ovie over Malkin, they’re on the same ship they’ve always been on. Ovie is the healthy player and better scorer than Malkin. Pens also had Jordan Staal, who was as good as any two way center. Penguins were always in the right place at the right time, almost as if the league planned it.
- roenick97

Penguins probably had more top 5 picks on their team than anyone and the Crosby draft was very very very fortuitous. The Pens aren't in Pittsburgh today if they don't win the lottery that year.

Regardless, strength down the center is more important from a team aspect despite how great a career an individual has.

I can live with all your counterpoints except #1.

The agent doesn’t matter. Philly held cutter relights for 4 years. Plain and simple. Doesn’t matter what agent says or player. They choose to trade him when they had 100% control. That’s a Philly problem not player/agent.


So why would that factor at all into drafting another player? Regardless of who the agent is? The answer is simply it doesn’t
- Stayin alive

i appreciate the civil discourse.

we will disagree on buium/jett and that's ok. i personally can understand why danny would skip another college prospect with cutter's agent. at least putting some time in between the cutter debacle and this pick. will he operate that way for the rest of his tenure? not sure - but I think it's reasonable not to go down that road again, at least until the sting of cutter wanting out lessens.

Pretty long winded response that is skirting the original question in every way. Clever as you would say.

I love the fact that you hate everyone here and their opinions yet you come here every single day to female dog about the people whining. Not much different than the rest of us huh.
- Flyfly

lol i'm not whining, i'm laughing at you. the same talking points, the same digs, the same...everything. repeated daily. to the same 6 or 7 people.

that's called an echo chamber. but i get it. misery loves company. you feel apart of something. we are all really proud of you.

again, seems healthy.


to be fair, it's my fault for coming here expecting anything different.

how did I skirt the question? what trades?