How about Michael Granlund for 3C.

Buds with Krok, good 2-way guy entering his last year, on a poopty team. Destined to be traded by the deadline.

California Robertson for Granlund with some salary retention?

Maybe Lilly and Cali Rob for Granlund and sumpin' sumpin'?

I know ..I know ..I'm a genius.

Do you think that would really work, though? I feel like people in southern Ontario aren't so much hockey fans as they are just Leaf fans. I would love to see another team in the area though.
- Whipper

Me too.

Annual trip to the junk shop to fill out our "legitimate contender" roster?

✅ Dakota Mermis
✅ Phillipe Myers
✅ Cedric Pare

He should because he has a better shooting % than Willy, and puts himself in better spots to score than Willy does.
- Horsey Sauce

He has a better shooting % cause he doesn’t shoot. Maybe shoot more for sure - like in Boston when he got ‘hurt’ twirling around rather than shooting. Not too much though - his shot is akin to a 12yr olds.

Weird thing to do man (other post). Stuff like that is what makes folks think Mitchy obsessions are creepy. And before you say I just don’t like him - I have said multiple times trade him or Willy but to me he’s the obvious choice to trade.

Oh - he doesn’t put himself in better spots - Willy drives the net while Mitch plays perimeter

Annual trip to the junk shop to fill out our "legitimate contender" roster?

✅ Dakota Mermis
✅Phillipe Myers
✅Cedric Pare
- fifty__missions

I thought i could sympathize with your anger, but the fact you don't understand these are AHL depth signings, the type every team makes, makes me start to think you are either a troll or a (frank)ing idiot.

He has a better shooting % cause he doesn’t shoot. Maybe shoot more for sure - like in Boston when he got ‘hurt’ twirling around rather than shooting. Not too much though - his shot is akin to a 12yr olds.

Weird thing to do man (other post). Stuff like that is what makes folks think Mitchy obsessions are creepy. And before you say I just don’t like him - I have said multiple times trade him or Willy but to me he’s the obvious choice to trade.
- Big23Questions

Man I cannot imagine being such a loser that I would have to become such an attention whore.

He has a better shooting % cause he doesn’t shoot. Maybe shoot more for sure - like in Boston when he got ‘hurt’ twirling around rather than shooting. Not too much though - his shot is akin to a 12yr olds.

Weird thing to do man (other post). Stuff like that is what makes folks think Mitchy obsessions are creepy. And before you say I just don’t like him - I have said multiple times trade him or Willy but to me he’s the obvious choice to trade.

Oh - he doesn’t put himself in better spots - Willy drives the net while Mitch plays perimeter
- Big23Questions

Mitch! Mitch! Mitch! Mitch!

I love all our players. I’m loyal to the team.

Unlike some.

How about Michael Granlund for 3C.

Buds with Krok, good 2-way guy entering his last year, on a poopty team. Destined to be traded by the deadline.

California Robertson for Granlund with some salary retention?

Maybe Lilly and Cali Rob for Granlund and sumpin' sumpin'?

I know ..I know ..I'm a genius.
- The Law

A little weak on the FOs last year. A little small too. Think he's more in the mold of a 2C, seems more offensive minded.

Mitch! Mitch! Mitch! Mitch!

I love all our players. I’m loyal to the team.

Unlike some.
- Horsey Sauce

Man it’s weird to do that though. Odd stuff is all. I would never assume you were loyal to the team and all the players at all from reading posts

Man it’s weird to do that though. Odd stuff is all. I would never assume you were loyal to the team and all the players at all from reading posts
- Big23Questions

Alright well,

Thanks?

I'd love to see a Hamilton team, absolutely. But Toronto and Buffalo's territorial rights are a real thing and they'd both be telling a prospective franchise (frank) you pay me.
- Zezel

So here me out here.

Until very recently, I laughed at anyone who suggested that the Leafs would ever allow another team in their territory.

It could never happen.

It did not make economic sense.

But now things are different.

It’s owned by Bell and Rogers, who are at odds with each other.

They have the option to buy out Tanenbaum, and they most certainly will.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...g%20a%20five%20per%20cent

So instead of continuing to fight, why not create an agreement to buy the Sens, divorce, split the teams, and have two Toronto teams?

I’d cheer for both.

Alright well,

Thanks?
- Horsey Sauce

Thanks for what?

Thanks for what?
- Big23Questions

Your unsolicited opinion.

So here me out here.

Until very recently, I laughed at anyone who suggested that the Leafs would ever allow another team in their territory.

It could never happen.

It did not make economic sense.

But now things are different.

It’s owned by Bell and Rogers, who are at odds with each other.

They have the option to buy out Tanenbaum, and they most certainly will.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...g%20a%20five%20per%20cent

So instead of continuing to fight, why not create an agreement to buy the Sens, divorce, split the teams, and have two Toronto teams?

I’d cheer for both.
- Atomic Wedgie

Which of Rogers or Bell agrees to take the Sens?

Your unsolicited opinion.
- Horsey Sauce

You solicited others opinion (mine included) the second you post your opinions on an open forum/board.

Sorry, are you not aware of what’s going on in here? People post statements and sometimes they are opinions - then others can choose to respond or not.

I feel now would be appropriate time to thank me. For the clarification on what happens on here.

So here me out here.

Until very recently, I laughed at anyone who suggested that the Leafs would ever allow another team in their territory.

It could never happen.

It did not make economic sense.

But now things are different.

It’s owned by Bell and Rogers, who are at odds with each other.

They have the option to buy out Tanenbaum, and they most certainly will.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...g%20a%20five%20per%20cent

So instead of continuing to fight, why not create an agreement to buy the Sens, divorce, split the teams, and have two Toronto teams?

I’d cheer for both.
- Atomic Wedgie

Kypreos keeps making reference to the idea that when Tanenbaum goes, there will be a single owner of the Leafs.

Kypreos keeps making reference to the idea that when Tanenbaum goes, there will be a single owner of the Leafs.
- fifty__missions

Bieber

Which of Rogers or Bell agrees to take the Sens?
- jribout

Obviously Rogers.

Blue and white for Bell.

Red and white for Rogers.

My issue with this is that he’s not a wizard. He’s predictable now at this stage in his career. He still makes unreal passes once every couple games but the problem is that when he’s on a team that doesn’t play good team defensive and is thin upfront on responsible forwards - there are games where he becomes a liability on that side of the game.

He tried his Jr passes and they get picked. He is a machine at giveaways on the PP some nights man. He is constantly outmuscled along the wall and frankly everywhere on the ice. But man do they look pretty when they work (his passes). They are fantastic and those plays can’t be made by most in the league kinda good.

Mitch is too soft and shy to change up his game. He won’t ‘dance’ cause he’ll get lit up sometimes and he’s not prepared to have that happen. He goes away in games when time and space are limited and or versus physical teams with tough dmen. He gets rid of the puck in a risky way and generally looks scared.

High Risk/ High Reward never goes with the description of a true Selke worthy hockey player. Smart distribution and puck manage my does. Mitch does not have that on his side.

End of the day I forget who said it in here but very apt: nobody has ever changed another’s mind in here and they are just opinions and the way we see the game. (Paraphrase obviously)
- Big23Questions

Giveaways/60 and Takeaways/60 since 2017 minimum of 200 games played:

Mathew Barzal Gv/60: 3.81; Tk/60: 2.6. Net: -1.21
David Pastrnak Gv/60: 3.58; Tk/60: 1.9. Net: -1.68
Jack Hughes Gv/60: 3.51; Tk/60: 2.77. Net: -0.74
Ryan Getzlaf Gv/60: 3.45; Tk/60: 2.3. Net: -1.15
Evgeni Malkin Gv/60: 3.42; Tk/60: 3.27. Net: -0.15
Leon Draisaitl Gv/60: 3.38; Tk/60: 2.61. Net: -0.77
Brad Marchand Gv/60: 3.1; Tk/60: 2.09. Net: -1.01
Johnny Gaudreau Gv/60: 3.1; Tk/60: 1.76. Net: -1.34
Nikita Kucherov Gv/60: 3.1; Tk/60: 2.01. Net: -1.09
Jonathan Huberdeau Gv/60: 3.07; Tk/60: 2. Net: -1.07
Andrei Svechnikov Gv/60: 2.97; Tk/60: 1.67. Net: -1.3
Matthew Tkachuk Gv/60: 2.87; Tk/60: 1.6. Net: -1.27
Martin Necas Gv/60: 2.84; Tk/60: 1.49. Net: -1.35
Mitch Marner Gv/60: 2.8; Tk/60: 3.04. Net: 0.24
Filip Forsberg Gv/60: 2.77; Tk/60: 2.76. Net: -0.01
Trevor Zegras Gv/60: 2.77; Tk/60: 1.46. Net: -1.31
Josh Bailey Gv/60: 2.76; Tk/60: 1.65. Net: -1.11
Artemi Panarin Gv/60: 2.72; Tk/60: 1.79. Net: -0.93
Ryan McLeod Gv/60: 2.72; Tk/60: 2.58. Net: -0.14
Jason Spezza Gv/60: 2.7; Tk/60: 1.57. Net: -1.13
Connor McDavid Gv/60: 2.66; Tk/60: 2.74. Net: 0.08


There is a lot of goddamned talent in that list. By the way in that list there are two players who have more takeaways than giveaways. I'll give you a hint, they're numbers 1 & 2 on this list:

Most Primary Assists/60 since 2017, minimum 200 games:

Mitch Marner, A1/60: 1.27
Connor McDavid, A1/60: 1.2
Nathan MacKinnon, A1/60: 1.18
Artemi Panarin, A1/60: 1.1
Johnny Gaudreau, A1/60: 1.1
Robert Thomas, A1/60: 1.1
Nikita Kucherov, A1/60: 1.08
Jakub Voracek, A1/60: 1.04
Leon Draisaitl, A1/60: 1.04
Steven Stamkos, A1/60: 1.03
Max Domi, A1/60: 1.02
Sidney Crosby, A1/60: 1.01
David Krejci, A1/60: 1
Mark Stone, A1/60: 1
Evgeni Malkin, A1/60: 0.99
Jonathan Huberdeau, A1/60: 0.98
Mathew Barzal, A1/60: 0.96
David Pastrnak, A1/60: 0.96
Elias Pettersson, A1/60: 0.95
Kirill Kaprizov, A1/60: 0.95

So. Yes. He is a (frank)ing wizard with the puck. Knock it off.

You're crazy.

He has earned it. He gave both Tavares and Matthews career years in goals with a bundle of primary assists.

What you're suggesting is that the coach make the team worse in his first year as coach.

Sorry, that's a bad plan for everybody.
- Rare_Jewel

Matthews went 19 straight goals without there being a Marner assist. (frank) are you on about?

Y’all are gonna be praising Mitchy when the season starts…and not because he waived his NMC.
I looked at the Leafs forward lineup and removing Mitch made my tummy churn. Without him, the depth is gone. Of course we don’t know what could be coming back in a trade, but I don’t see the Leafs winning a Marner trade.
As always, I leave the past behind when a new season starts. I don’t give a (frank) about what a player did last year…good or bad (except when negotiating a new contract, lol). Nor do I care what the team did in previous playoffs.

I also like Kampf. Thought he played great down the stretch. Motor never stopped.

I also think JT comes into camp in the best shape he’s been in years. I predict he’ll gain half a step over last year and you’ll all be hoping to get Captain JT Leafy PJ’s for Christmas.

Giveaways/60 and Takeaways/60 since 2017 minimum of 200 games played:

Mathew Barzal Gv/60: 3.81; Tk/60: 2.6. Net: -1.21
David Pastrnak Gv/60: 3.58; Tk/60: 1.9. Net: -1.68
Jack Hughes Gv/60: 3.51; Tk/60: 2.77. Net: -0.74
Ryan Getzlaf Gv/60: 3.45; Tk/60: 2.3. Net: -1.15
Evgeni Malkin Gv/60: 3.42; Tk/60: 3.27. Net: -0.15
Leon Draisaitl Gv/60: 3.38; Tk/60: 2.61. Net: -0.77
Brad Marchand Gv/60: 3.1; Tk/60: 2.09. Net: -1.01
Johnny Gaudreau Gv/60: 3.1; Tk/60: 1.76. Net: -1.34
Nikita Kucherov Gv/60: 3.1; Tk/60: 2.01. Net: -1.09
Jonathan Huberdeau Gv/60: 3.07; Tk/60: 2. Net: -1.07
Andrei Svechnikov Gv/60: 2.97; Tk/60: 1.67. Net: -1.3
Matthew Tkachuk Gv/60: 2.87; Tk/60: 1.6. Net: -1.27
Martin Necas Gv/60: 2.84; Tk/60: 1.49. Net: -1.35
Mitch Marner Gv/60: 2.8; Tk/60: 3.04. Net: 0.24
Filip Forsberg Gv/60: 2.77; Tk/60: 2.76. Net: -0.01
Trevor Zegras Gv/60: 2.77; Tk/60: 1.46. Net: -1.31
Josh Bailey Gv/60: 2.76; Tk/60: 1.65. Net: -1.11
Artemi Panarin Gv/60: 2.72; Tk/60: 1.79. Net: -0.93
Ryan McLeod Gv/60: 2.72; Tk/60: 2.58. Net: -0.14
Jason Spezza Gv/60: 2.7; Tk/60: 1.57. Net: -1.13
Connor McDavid Gv/60: 2.66; Tk/60: 2.74. Net: 0.08


There is a lot of goddamned talent in that list. By the way in that list there are two players who have more takeaways than giveaways. I'll give you a hint, they're numbers 1 & 2 on this list:

Most Primary Assists/60 since 2017, minimum 200 games:

Mitch Marner, A1/60: 1.27
Connor McDavid, A1/60: 1.2
Nathan MacKinnon, A1/60: 1.18
Artemi Panarin, A1/60: 1.1
Johnny Gaudreau, A1/60: 1.1
Robert Thomas, A1/60: 1.1
Nikita Kucherov, A1/60: 1.08
Jakub Voracek, A1/60: 1.04
Leon Draisaitl, A1/60: 1.04
Steven Stamkos, A1/60: 1.03
Max Domi, A1/60: 1.02
Sidney Crosby, A1/60: 1.01
David Krejci, A1/60: 1
Mark Stone, A1/60: 1
Evgeni Malkin, A1/60: 0.99
Jonathan Huberdeau, A1/60: 0.98
Mathew Barzal, A1/60: 0.96
David Pastrnak, A1/60: 0.96
Elias Pettersson, A1/60: 0.95
Kirill Kaprizov, A1/60: 0.95

So. Yes. He is a (frank)ing wizard with the puck. Knock it off.
- Monkeypunk

You know who else was predictable?

Gretzky.

He’d just always take the puck behind the net on powerplays…

Which of Rogers or Bell agrees to take the Sens?
- jribout

Details that they can work out.

My point is for the first time in 60 years, there is at least a plausible path forward for Toronto getting a second team.

Y’all are gonna be praising Mitchy when the season starts…and not because he waived his NMC.
I looked at the Leafs forward lineup and removing Mitch made my tummy churn. Without him, the depth is gone. Of course we don’t know what could be coming back in a trade, but I don’t see the Leafs winning a Marner trade.
As always, I leave the past behind when a new season starts. I don’t give a (frank) about what a player did last year…good or bad (except when negotiating a new contract, lol). Nor do I care what the team did in previous playoffs.

I also like Kampf. Thought he played great down the stretch. Motor never stopped.

I also think JT comes into camp in the best shape he’s been in years. I predict he’ll gain half a step over last year and you’ll all be hoping to get Captain JT Leafy PJ’s for Christmas.
- Woderwick

Tell me about how its gonna be in the playoffs now because idgaf what they do until then.

Giveaways/60 and Takeaways/60 since 2017 minimum of 200 games played:

Mathew Barzal Gv/60: 3.81; Tk/60: 2.6. Net: -1.21
David Pastrnak Gv/60: 3.58; Tk/60: 1.9. Net: -1.68
Jack Hughes Gv/60: 3.51; Tk/60: 2.77. Net: -0.74
Ryan Getzlaf Gv/60: 3.45; Tk/60: 2.3. Net: -1.15
Evgeni Malkin Gv/60: 3.42; Tk/60: 3.27. Net: -0.15
Leon Draisaitl Gv/60: 3.38; Tk/60: 2.61. Net: -0.77
Brad Marchand Gv/60: 3.1; Tk/60: 2.09. Net: -1.01
Johnny Gaudreau Gv/60: 3.1; Tk/60: 1.76. Net: -1.34
Nikita Kucherov Gv/60: 3.1; Tk/60: 2.01. Net: -1.09
Jonathan Huberdeau Gv/60: 3.07; Tk/60: 2. Net: -1.07
Andrei Svechnikov Gv/60: 2.97; Tk/60: 1.67. Net: -1.3
Matthew Tkachuk Gv/60: 2.87; Tk/60: 1.6. Net: -1.27
Martin Necas Gv/60: 2.84; Tk/60: 1.49. Net: -1.35
Mitch Marner Gv/60: 2.8; Tk/60: 3.04. Net: 0.24
Filip Forsberg Gv/60: 2.77; Tk/60: 2.76. Net: -0.01
Trevor Zegras Gv/60: 2.77; Tk/60: 1.46. Net: -1.31
Josh Bailey Gv/60: 2.76; Tk/60: 1.65. Net: -1.11
Artemi Panarin Gv/60: 2.72; Tk/60: 1.79. Net: -0.93
Ryan McLeod Gv/60: 2.72; Tk/60: 2.58. Net: -0.14
Jason Spezza Gv/60: 2.7; Tk/60: 1.57. Net: -1.13
Connor McDavid Gv/60: 2.66; Tk/60: 2.74. Net: 0.08


There is a lot of goddamned talent in that list. By the way in that list there are two players who have more takeaways than giveaways. I'll give you a hint, they're numbers 1 & 2 on this list:

Most Primary Assists/60 since 2017, minimum 200 games:

Mitch Marner, A1/60: 1.27
Connor McDavid, A1/60: 1.2
Nathan MacKinnon, A1/60: 1.18
Artemi Panarin, A1/60: 1.1
Johnny Gaudreau, A1/60: 1.1
Robert Thomas, A1/60: 1.1
Nikita Kucherov, A1/60: 1.08
Jakub Voracek, A1/60: 1.04
Leon Draisaitl, A1/60: 1.04
Steven Stamkos, A1/60: 1.03
Max Domi, A1/60: 1.02
Sidney Crosby, A1/60: 1.01
David Krejci, A1/60: 1
Mark Stone, A1/60: 1
Evgeni Malkin, A1/60: 0.99
Jonathan Huberdeau, A1/60: 0.98
Mathew Barzal, A1/60: 0.96
David Pastrnak, A1/60: 0.96
Elias Pettersson, A1/60: 0.95
Kirill Kaprizov, A1/60: 0.95

So. Yes. He is a (frank)ing wizard with the puck. Knock it off.
- Monkeypunk

I look at that and think if Domi played with Auston and Mitch with Domi's linemates than Domi would have the better numbers