Hate to break this to you, but the Washington Capitals started out with Ovechkin, Backstrom and Semin. They let Semin walk into Free Agency, but he had already started to dwindle in production at age 27 (from 40 goals to 20 in 2 years). But the core group wasn't effectively changed. They had young guys come up and they added to and around the core. The growth of Wilson, Kuznetsov, Holtby and emergence of Carlson gave berth to a newer, better Capitals. It happened within and they didn't break up their core.

Because they weren't going to get better by doing it.

This has been told to you before but you don't care to hear it. Somehow unless you're destroying it, you're not doing anything.
- Monkeypunk

You hold onto that comparable like a shotgun in Charlton Hedstons cold dead hands. Different team, different pieces.

That’s how I feel. Who cares about only games Matthews is hurt. The point is how Mitch does without 34 at all - so the proper stat would be career games without be able to pass to 34 and have 34 mop up his defensive mmmuffins up
- Big23Questions

He does just as good without him.

Nah, my buddy's gonna build me a desktop PC.

Won't be nearly as good as my brothers, since I won't be dropping the same $$$ on it that he did, but it'll still be really good, I think.

A lot better than my Xbox, that's for sure.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Good for you!

I got myself one a few years ago. Very mid-range at the time - now a lower tier one (2070 Super / Ryzen 5 2700, I think it is). A couple of years I did one for my son for Christmas - it was a 3080 with an Intel 12400. Then I just bought one for my daughter last year, which was a 4060Ti with a CPU that I think was slightly better than my son's. I'm jealous of both kids' PCs now, but I have to be honest - nothing I've been playing has really taxed it too much. There have been some absolutely phenomenal games in the past few years.

He does just as good without him.
- Horsey Sauce

Marner isn’t worth $12.5+

End of story

I give him Willy’s contract, and not a penalty more.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't think he's getting moved now b/c I think the stronger window (if there was one) was before the teams all spent $1B on UFA's. But that would've been the time to shop and I would have been open to the idea of taking a "loss" on a MM trade because, in theory, it would've allowed them to restructure things and it would've avoided the possibility of a walk-away next summer.

I'm just arguing that the "you won't win the deal" argument against a move only works if you're prepared to write a blank cheque or you're only worried about next year.

And I agree ..they've got to set an internal number and stick to it.

I’m not young. Ha
- Big23Questions

You hold onto that comparable like a shotgun in Charlton Hedstons cold dead hands. Different team, different pieces.
- fifty__missions

Different times, too. Our pieces are coming up. We do not have a defenseman akin to either Orlov, but honestly Rielly is not that far away from a Carlson. Neither could play defense.

We don't have Wilson, but Knies is a big boy - and it's not always about the mean or aggressively stupid. It's about winning puck battles and being able to impose your will along the wall - which I think Knies grows into.

I don't know if Woll can grow into a Holtby, but I never thought Holtby could grow into who he became.

The most important part is to build up a talented core. If they truly believed that these guys would never get it done, then fine. The biggest problems I still believe are that we are in the hardest division in the league, have a solid lack of maturity and leadership and they should never have given Tavares $11m when they didn't need another forward. The talent is there. I've said this before and I know where you stand but I don't know if I'm there (yet) which is I really don't know if this team is closer to the 2000s Senators (all talent, no heart) or if they are victims of some terrible luck.

Nice 👍

I have a pretty basic gaming laptop, Lenovo Legion.. But with an upgraded RAM and graphics. Pretty sweet. It chews through 5.3k footage while editing.

I dont game.
- Horsey Sauce

I know basically nothing about computers, which is why I'm lucky to have my buddy help with it. So I just googled yours and it looks pretty cool.

Do you not like gaming or just don't care to?

Marner isn’t worth $12.5+

End of story
- Dozzer

100% man. Also agree if offered what he deserves (11.5M) at least in my opinion - he says no way, stays and refuses to waive, racks up regular points, disappears playoff time as per usual, and Leafs get absolutely nothing for him but the cap space. In which case hope to hell good players that fit the needs of roster are UFA by the time frenzy hits.

Marner isn’t worth $12.5+

End of story
- Dozzer

I think honestly Marner shouldn't get anymore than $11.5 and Willy probably shouldn't have gotten more than $11m.

All of this said ...the blue line was a major problem and IMO, Tree did a pretty good job of making it better.

This season's success hangs on the inflammed hamstring of Joe Woll and the zombified corpse of Chris Tanev!

Last years opening night D

Rielly – Brodie
McCabe – Klingberg
Giordano – Liljegren

3 of those (frank)ers were dead by November. How can't we be better.

Good for you!

I got myself one a few years ago. Very mid-range at the time - now a lower tier one (2070 Super / Ryzen 5 2700, I think it is). A couple of years I did one for my son for Christmas - it was a 3080 with an Intel 12400. Then I just bought one for my daughter last year, which was a 4060Ti with a CPU that I think was slightly better than my son's. I'm jealous of both kids' PCs now, but I have to be honest - nothing I've been playing has really taxed it too much. There have been some absolutely phenomenal games in the past few years.
- Monkeypunk

My Legion is a Ryzen 7 7745HX
32GB RAM

Pretty swanky.

Not as pretty for format, but I am sort of occupied while doing it!


23-24

Marner & Matthews: 3.7 - 2.6
Nylander & Matthews: 3.8 - 3.3
Matthews w/o Marner: 4.4 - 2.9
Marner w/o Matthews: 2.7 - 1.9
Matthews w/o Nylander: 4 - 2.4
Nylander w/o Matthews: 2.7 - 2.9
No Marner or Matthews: 2.6 - 2.6
No Nylander or Matthews: 2.5 - 2.3

22-23

Marner & Matthews: 3.7 - 2.2
Nylander & Matthews: 4.5 - 1.7
Matthews w/o Marner: 4.2 - 1.7
Marner w/o Matthews: 3.1 - 1.9
Matthews w/o Nylander: 3.5 - 2.2
Nylander w/o Matthews: 2.5 - 2.8
No Marner or Matthews: 2.1 - 2.4
No Nylander or Matthews: 2.3 - 2.1

21-22

Marner & Matthews: 4.8 - 2.9
Nylander & Matthews: 2.2 - 3.8
Matthews w/o Marner: 3.1 - 3
Marner w/o Matthews: 2.4 - 2.8
Matthews w/o Nylander: 4.7 - 2.7
Nylander w/o Matthews: 3.1 - 3.3
No Marner or Matthews: 2.7 - 2.6
No Nylander or Matthews: 2.5 - 2.3
- Monkeypunk

Thanks for taking the time to do this. I tried on a couple of occasions.

I think honestly Marner shouldn't get anymore than $11.5 and Willy probably shouldn't have gotten more than $11m.
- Monkeypunk

But that’s not what happened. Marner will want a larger pay raise in his prime than $600K

100% man. Also agree if offered what he deserves (11.5M) at least in my opinion - he says no way, stays and refuses to waive, racks up regular points, disappears playoff time as per usual, and Leafs get absolutely nothing for him but the cap space. In which case hope to hell good players that fit the needs of roster are UFA by the time frenzy hits.
- Big23Questions

Look if this really happens and Mitch is really a no-show in the playoffs then I'm sure no one will be all that sad when he leaves and between him and Tavares give us $22m in capspace.

Let's play the games.

I know basically nothing about computers, which is why I'm lucky to have my buddy help with it. So I just googled yours and it looks pretty cool.

Do you not like gaming or just don't care to?
- GreatGigInTheSky

Just don’t care too.

I don’t like anything that isn’t real, y’know?

I detest superhero movies.

I like the outdoors, science, history.. that sort of thing.

Marner isn’t worth $12.5+

End of story
- Dozzer

Neither Matthews, marner and willie are worth their money.

Dubas (frank)ed the leafs the minute he handed out those contracts to am and mm.

Good for you!

I got myself one a few years ago. Very mid-range at the time - now a lower tier one (2070 Super / Ryzen 5 2700, I think it is). A couple of years I did one for my son for Christmas - it was a 3080 with an Intel 12400. Then I just bought one for my daughter last year, which was a 4060Ti with a CPU that I think was slightly better than my son's. I'm jealous of both kids' PCs now, but I have to be honest - nothing I've been playing has really taxed it too much. There have been some absolutely phenomenal games in the past few years.
- Monkeypunk

Nice. That's so cool. One of my buddy's did the same with his 2 boys. I was gonna get mine by now, but my buddy who's helping me build it said to wait a bit. New poops coming out in the next few months and the prices of other things will drop, apparently. So I'm taking his word for it, because why not.

Nothing that I play currently would be overly taxing on a PC (mostly just FPS's, Skyrim, and Palworld at the moment), but I plan on playing a bunch more games once I get it. Elden Ring likely the first game I'll be getting.

Neither Matthews, marner and willie are worth their money.

Dubas (frank)ed the leafs the minute he handed out those contracts to am and mm.
- Fakepartofme

Matthews worth around 12.75
Mitch 12.5
Willy 9

Neither Matthews, marner and willie are worth their money.

Dubas (frank)ed the leafs the minute he handed out those contracts to am and mm.
- Fakepartofme

Oh please Matthews leads the league in scoring he’s worth his contract easily.

Nylander has finally hit his peak

But Marner will be looking for more. Drop him.

Different times, too. Our pieces are coming up. We do not have a defenseman akin to either Orlov, but honestly Rielly is not that far away from a Carlson. Neither could play defense.

We don't have Wilson, but Knies is a big boy - and it's not always about the mean or aggressively stupid. It's about winning puck battles and being able to impose your will along the wall - which I think Knies grows into. I dont beiebe in 8 uears of bad luck. Ee"re the sea


I don't know if Woll can grow into a Holtby, but I never thought Holtby could grow into who he became.

The most important part is to build up a talented core. If they truly believed that these guys would never get it done, then fine. The biggest problems I still believe are that we are in the hardest division in the league, have a solid lack of maturity and leadership and they should never have given Tavares $11m when they didn't need another forward. The talent is there. I've said this before and I know where you stand but I don't know if I'm there (yet) which is I really don't know if this team is closer to the 2000s Senators (all talent, no heart) or if they are victims of some terrible luck.
- Monkeypunk

I dont believe in 8 yrs of bad luck. We're the Senators or the Sharks.

Man why are you swearing at me and name calling? Grow up young man. What are you on about with analytics? Basic hockey stats? Basic hockey understanding is that:
- Mitch is a great offensive talent.
- He benefits from playing with 34.
- He is a great PKer and poor with the puck at 5v5. -
- He is weak and soft and gets outmuscled and curves plays to the detriment of the team most of the time but it looks awesome when it works.

Those are my points on Mitch.

I’m missing in a Leafs board for months? What have I been pissing about? If it’s been for months I’m sore you have a ton of examples you can provide eh?

Plug in all your geek stats and let me know who wins the Cup algorithm. You have no fee for the game and spew stats and numbers. Put the calculator down and watch the game. Christ man. I chirped AA for going off on the Willy/Mitch thing. You always appeared to me as a mature guy who disagreed but didn’t act like this. Clearly you had a bone to pick with me. Next time don’t lower yourself to name calling and vulgarity bud.
- Big23Questions

Matthews also benefits from playing with marner
It works both ways.

One rough playoff series and the marner whiners go nuts.
Marner was great last playoffs series against tampa. Both him and Matthews

He does just as good without him.
- Horsey Sauce

It would be just as well without him, and Monkey's stats strongly suggests that is not the case. Same for Nylander. Both are better with him.

Oh please Matthews leads the league in scoring he’s worth his contract easily.

Nylander has finally hit his peak

But Marner will be looking for more. Drop him.
- Dozzer

Ya Matthews is great in the reg season.
As youve stated before, the cap with be at $120 soon enough, 12.5m per is around 10% of the cap.

But as ive said before, pay him willies salary or 11.6 to appease his dad

Willie hit his peak
Marner had a bad year, played less games and equalled or outpaced wille at ppg.

Ya Matthews is great in the reg season.
As youve stated before, the cap with be at $120 soon enough, 12.5m per is around 10% of the cap.

But as ive said before, pay him willies salary or 11.6 to appease his dad
- Fakepartofme

12.5 or he walks.

He’ll get that loot. Mark my words