Look, we'll end up seeing what happens. We've seen cases where a day-to-day issue turns into a far worse issue. We've also seen cases where a day-to-day issue just needs more rest than the player was willing to give the affected area and weren't giving themselves enough time to heal properly.

Day-to-day means, typically, that the team's medical staff, typically in consultation with experts, have concluded that an injury is healing and now it just depends on how long it takes to fully heal and rehab it. The human body does regenerate cartilage. There are a number of procedures in place to stimulate this and if there are problems with that there are surgical procedures, like MACI, which grow cartilage outside of the body and then replace it.

I'll be a bit surprised if this turns out to be anything more than nothingburger.
- Monkeypunk

Don’t forget the question why would you replace a $3 mill guy for a $1.5 mill one.

I just won’t see him as a full time player until, and if, it happens.

I'd take Jenner but would rather go with Comtois and Clutterbuck on the wings.
- Rare_Jewel

Olivier is the toughest sumbítch in the NHL.

Jenner and Kuraly play a physical game too.

Don’t forget the question why would you replace a $3 mill guy for a $1.5 mill one.

I just won’t see him as a full time player until, and if, it happens.
- Dozzer

You switch them if you want a different type of player for less $

You switch them if you want a different type of player for less $
- Canada Cup

Liljegren is far too hated by leaf fans nowadays.

He may be an idiot but he’s not a fish. That’s going too far.
- Canada Cup

Liljegren is far too hated by leaf fans nowadays.
- Dozzer

I don’t hate him. I was just answering you question about why they would move one guy for another.

Liljegren is far too hated by leaf fans nowadays.
- Dozzer

He's had a lot of bad luck as far as roster moves as well as injuries, but at least he hasn't publicly asked for a trade like Robertson, the tool.

Like I’m doing the lords work.

I feel like that antagonist at the end of inspector gadget petting his cat.
- Horsey Sauce

the guy who always got outsmarted by a dog and a little girl?

Don’t forget the question why would you replace a $3 mill guy for a $1.5 mill one.

I just won’t see him as a full time player until, and if, it happens.
- Dozzer

I wish you'd stop equating their salaries with their ability in your argument. You know it doesn't make sense. There are guys all over the league who make more than they should and guys all over the league who should make far more than what they do. Why would you play Matthew Tkachuk over Jonathan Huberdeau? Huberdeau makes $1m more and is obviously better! Draisaitl makes $2.5m less than Tavares. I know which ones I'd play.

Hakanpaa is a 3rd pairing guy all day. He's big, hits, pins and wins battles. He keeps the front of the net clean and offers very little in the way of speed or offensive ability. Insofar as I recall he's not even particularly good at zone exits with the puck (carried or through pass). His strength lies in doing things that many of our defensemen can't or won't. Being a guy that we need but don't have gets him a pretty good in from a coach that wants that.

Meanwhile we have puck carriers in Rielly, Ekman-Larsson, Liljegren and to a lesser extent (and I wish an even lesser extent than it is), McCabe. If he remains they also have Timmins. Liljegren received $3m because the arbitration process in the NHL is an embarrassment and would have given him more based on false equivalencies.

Someone in there is redundant if you need guys to protect the net, make other teams uncomfortable in your own zone and win some board battles on the wall in your own end. At $3m it could very well be Liljegren who is the odd man out.

Or, by your argument, Simon Benoit has just been replaced if Hakanpaa is healthy. I don't think that's necessarily true if he continues to play like he did last year.

But this conversation does circle back to what we were saying earlier - there are still moves to made, decisions to be made, holes to be filled and about 10 weeks before camp starts. We don't know how it's going to shakedown.

the guy who always got outsmarted by a dog and a little girl?
- senstroll

I admire his will to never give up.

Against all odds, and everyone attacking him and slandering him. He’s still vibing with his cat through it all, and lives to fight another day.

Liljegren is far too hated by leaf fans nowadays.
- Dozzer

Similar to marner and JT.
Hating on players for no reason.

I don’t hate him. I was just answering you question about why they would move one guy for another.
- Canada Cup

It’s gonna be a we will see I guess, how they play with each other will say a lot to the coach and a lot of our predictions will end up out to lunch

What's it like being a social pariah on here?
- gravyface

You think it's only on here for him?!?

Don’t forget the question why would you replace a $3 mill guy for a $1.5 mill one.

I just won’t see him as a full time player until, and if, it happens.
- Dozzer

To save money.
Also, just because he makes less doesnt always mean they arent as good.
He brings something different

I admire his will to never give up.

Against all odds, and everyone attacking him and slandering him. He’s still vibing with his cat through it all, and lives to fight another day.
- Horsey Sauce

Which you could stop at any time...

He's had a lot of bad luck as far as roster moves as well as injuries, but at least he hasn't publicly asked for a trade like Robertson, the tool.
- gravyface

Yeah and he’s effective normally unlike Robertson lol

Guys, you should not post someone phone number online without their permission, it's not cool, Aetherial will be pissed.
- Symba007

but we all mostly know Jenny's number -
Eight six seven five three oh nine,
Eight six seven five three oh nine

You think it's only on here for him?!?
- Whipper

who is horse guy?

Similar to marner and JT.
Hating on players for no reason.
- Fakepartofme

That “no reason” is they’re highly overpaid pansies.

Which you could stop at any time...
- gravyface

Behind every villain, there’s been injustice.

Nobody wakes up wanting to be the bad guy.

Corruption and traitors to justice push people to the other side.

Like Batman, but not Batman because he still tries to do good.

Recovery time on that procedure is 6-8 weeks, so he may have been super close before they lost the series.

But I agree: I think the Leafs absolutely plan on carrying 8 defensemen if they can.
- gravyface

hopefully not 3 goalies either

I wish you'd stop equating their salaries with their ability in your argument. You know it doesn't make sense. There are guys all over the league who make more than they should and guys all over the league who should make far more than what they do. Why would you play Matthew Tkachuk over Jonathan Huberdeau? Huberdeau makes $1m more and is obviously better! Draisaitl makes $2.5m less than Tavares. I know which ones I'd play.

Hakanpaa is a 3rd pairing guy all day. He's big, hits, pins and wins battles. He keeps the front of the net clean and offers very little in the way of speed or offensive ability. Insofar as I recall he's not even particularly good at zone exits with the puck (carried or through pass). His strength lies in doing things that many of our defensemen can't or won't. Being a guy that we need but don't have gets him a pretty good in from a coach that wants that.

Meanwhile we have puck carriers in Rielly, Ekman-Larsson, Liljegren and to a lesser extent (and I wish an even lesser extent than it is), McCabe. If he remains they also have Timmins. Liljegren received $3m because the arbitration process in the NHL is an embarrassment and would have given him more based on false equivalencies.

Someone in there is redundant if you need guys to protect the net, make other teams uncomfortable in your own zone and win some board battles on the wall in your own end. At $3m it could very well be Liljegren who is the odd man out.

Or, by your argument, Simon Benoit has just been replaced if Hakanpaa is healthy. I don't think that's necessarily true if he continues to play like he did last year.

But this conversation does circle back to what we were saying earlier - there are still moves to made, decisions to be made, holes to be filled and about 10 weeks before camp starts. We don't know how it's going to shakedown.
- Monkeypunk

Don’t make the $8+ mill salaries anything like the couple mill ones… totally different.

Hakanpaa is a 32 year old post injury guy. I refuse to hand him trust. He needs to earn it.

who is horse guy?
- senstroll

I think he's AA, but I was gone for a bit, so not sure. Equally as annoying AF.

Guys, you should not post someone phone number online without their permission, it's not cool, Aetherial will be pissed.
- Symba007

Its okay, he's into it.

hopefully not 3 goalies either
- dmnted

Umm, last season ring a bell? Jones bailed us out hard.

Murray coming back is probably a long shot, but if he does, having a cup-winning veteran 3rd goalie on the cheap who's still only 30 isn't the worst thing for us.