Most of those vet moves like maroon are to help the young kids grow. They are champions and have the pedigree to help bedard and KK along with growing in the NHL. My only issue with these moves are they are a little too long. Bettuzzi got 4 years. These moves give us an idea of when the Hawks expect to really be relevant and competing again. I'd say year 3 of Bertuzzi deal is when KD considers the Hawks to be playoff contenders. By then, Nazar, and the others are probably ready to handle the reins as impactful to hitting their learning curve topping out. I did not expect any of these moves. I don't mind them, but don't love them either. I think they all help the team for the next few years but now we know that we don't really intend to compete fully until year 3. I was figuring that we would bring in some veterans but wouldn't try to sign anyone long term and 4 years just seems a bit much considering we have built multiple drafts now and our team had so much cap space. I don't think these moves hamstring us but I also think we could have found some 1 year vets and went after some second tier guys to hold us over until everyone is ready. Bedard is going to need a contract and several others. Bertuzzi is the one i worry about the most. He's a headcase worse than his dad. Anyone else kind of meh on these deals thinking we kind of changed up what Davidson told us from the get-go?

I know we can compete a bit with the new lineup but I also like to think that we wanna try to build our team internally like we did with toews, Kane, Duncan and so forth.

My feelings were that Davidson wanted to keep the team churning out stars year over year. That way we can keep our cap number low year after year. It's so hard to stay competitive now days with the cap but I was thinking Davidson came up with a way to keep us relevant year after year and play in the playoffs every year by building from within. Anyone agree or disagree?

Most of those vet moves like maroon are to help the young kids grow. They are champions and have the pedigree to help bedard and KK along with growing in the NHL. My only issue with these moves are they are a little too long. Bettuzzi got 4 years. These moves give us an idea of when the Hawks expect to really be relevant and competing again. I'd say year 3 of Bertuzzi deal is when KD considers the Hawks to be playoff contenders. By then, Nazar, and the others are probably ready to handle the reins as impactful to hitting their learning curve topping out. I did not expect any of these moves. I don't mind them, but don't love them either. I think they all help the team for the next few years but now we know that we don't really intend to compete fully until year 3. I was figuring that we would bring in some veterans but wouldn't try to sign anyone long term and 4 years just seems a bit much considering we have built multiple drafts now and our team had so much cap space. I don't think these moves hamstring us but I also think we could have found some 1 year vets and went after some second tier guys to hold us over until everyone is ready. Bedard is going to need a contract and several others. Bertuzzi is the one i worry about the most. He's a headcase worse than his dad. Anyone else kind of meh on these deals thinking we kind of changed up what Davidson told us from the get-go?

I know we can compete a bit with the new lineup but I also like to think that we wanna try to build our team internally like we did with toews, Kane, Duncan and so forth.

My feelings were that Davidson wanted to keep the team churning out stars year over year. That way we can keep our cap number low year after year. It's so hard to stay competitive now days with the cap but I was thinking Davidson came up with a way to keep us relevant year after year and play in the playoffs every year by building from within. Anyone agree or disagree?
- Hawk4life

Well, Todd is not Tyler's Dad but his Uncle. Tyler is Todd's sister's son. Also, Tyler hasn't maimed a guy with a sucker punch so not sure how he's "worse".

KFC said a few weeks back they weren't going to have a repeat of last season but I don't think it's completely changed the overall plan.

"My feelings were that Davidson wanted to keep the team churning out stars year over year. That way we can keep our cap number low year after year. It's so hard to stay competitive now days with the cap but I was thinking Davidson came up with a way to keep us relevant year after year and play in the playoffs every year by building from within. Anyone agree or disagree? "

I agree that is what KFC's stretch goal is. Only time will tell if he can do it; others have not been able to - not regularly, but then again that is not a reason not to try.

On another note- and technically from a click-bait type site (so who knows), but man it would be entertaining if the Oils were to hire Stan. He can like that team now. The more I see KFC at work, the more I think I began understanding the total ineptness of Stanbo - in the sense of some of his post cup moves. Some of the trades were mystifying, or worse ... not mystifying, but they were exactly what they looked like.

I look forward to watching that from a Schadenfreude perspective; oughta be fun if/when it happens somewhere.

You might be able to make the case that the Hawks almost expect there will be guys out enough to give some of the young players a chance with the big club, but mostly develop in the A.
- Chunk

Or they're playing 14 mins a night and have time between shifts to think about the game and watch it rather than being out there for 19 mins with their head spinning in circles so by the end of the year or when some of these guys start to drop they jump ahead in the line up.

"Bedard is going to have a chance to play with some great players"

Name 1 great player on this roster?

Maroon is the SLOWEST player in the NHL

Terrible day for KD

The Blues have signed their 1st round pick, Adam Jircek, to his entry level contract.

Meanwhile, Kyle has done nothing today.

Well, Todd is not Tyler's Dad but his Uncle. Tyler is Todd's sister's son. Also, Tyler hasn't maimed a guy with a sucker punch so not sure how he's "worse".

KFC said a few weeks back they weren't going to have a repeat of last season but I don't think it's completely changed the overall plan.
- HawkintheD

Fair point on Todd, but Tyler plays very very aggressive to the point of Andrew Shaw. Maybe not as many concussions but still. I'm just hoping we still to our plan of developing within and churning stars over and over and keeping our cap low enough to be competitive yoy. I suppose we shall see.

Most of those vet moves like maroon are to help the young kids grow. They are champions and have the pedigree to help bedard and KK along with growing in the NHL. My only issue with these moves are they are a little too long. Bettuzzi got 4 years. These moves give us an idea of when the Hawks expect to really be relevant and competing again. I'd say year 3 of Bertuzzi deal is when KD considers the Hawks to be playoff contenders. By then, Nazar, and the others are probably ready to handle the reins as impactful to hitting their learning curve topping out. I did not expect any of these moves. I don't mind them, but don't love them either. I think they all help the team for the next few years but now we know that we don't really intend to compete fully until year 3. I was figuring that we would bring in some veterans but wouldn't try to sign anyone long term and 4 years just seems a bit much considering we have built multiple drafts now and our team had so much cap space. I don't think these moves hamstring us but I also think we could have found some 1 year vets and went after some second tier guys to hold us over until everyone is ready. Bedard is going to need a contract and several others. Bertuzzi is the one i worry about the most. He's a headcase worse than his dad. Anyone else kind of meh on these deals thinking we kind of changed up what Davidson told us from the get-go?

I know we can compete a bit with the new lineup but I also like to think that we wanna try to build our team internally like we did with toews, Kane, Duncan and so forth.

My feelings were that Davidson wanted to keep the team churning out stars year over year. That way we can keep our cap number low year after year. It's so hard to stay competitive now days with the cap but I was thinking Davidson came up with a way to keep us relevant year after year and play in the playoffs every year by building from within. Anyone agree or disagree?
- Hawk4life

Bertuzzi is a top 6 guy the next 2 years. Probably bottom 6 guy the back 2 which is when you should start to see Moore, Lardis, Kansternov with maybe Boisvert, Mustard, ect knocking on the door the year after.

They're still gonna need guys.

Regarding Nazar, even if he starts in rockford he won't be there long. I think he's going to hit that Brayden Point comparable. I also think Hayes is a regular by the end of the year.

They certainly didn't sign all these veterans to not break in some kids.

Hall, Bedard, TT
Bertuzzi, Richardinson, Mikheyev
Kurashev, AA, Reichel
Maroon/Donato, Nazar, Smith/Foligno

Slaggert and Anderson are hanging out in Rockford waiting for one of the old guys to get hurt.

They only have 6 defenders so unless something shocking happens like Arty ending up in the NHL this fall (which may not be outside the realm of possibilities) there's not a lot of wiggle room there but Martinez and Brodie being able to play both sides gives them some flexibility.

Prolly

Vlasic Jones
Korch Martinez
Kaiser Murphy\Brodie

or

Martinez Jones
Vlasic Brodie
Korch Murphy

Kaiser\EDM for when one of those guys goes down which probably won't take long. I'd prefer they play the younger guys a little more and be more conservative with the vets where they can afford to be but what do I know.

Seems like Luke is sick of losing and is going to play the veteran blankie game based on some of his comments.

"My feelings were that Davidson wanted to keep the team churning out stars year over year. That way we can keep our cap number low year after year. It's so hard to stay competitive now days with the cap but I was thinking Davidson came up with a way to keep us relevant year after year and play in the playoffs every year by building from within. Anyone agree or disagree? "

I agree that is what KFC's stretch goal is. Only time will tell if he can do it; others have not been able to - not regularly, but then again that is not a reason not to try.

On another note- and technically from a click-bait type site (so who knows), but man it would be entertaining if the Oils were to hire Stan. He can like that team now. The more I see KFC at work, the more I think I began understanding the total ineptness of Stanbo - in the sense of some of his post cup moves. Some of the trades were mystifying, or worse ... not mystifying, but they were exactly what they looked like.

I look forward to watching that from a Schadenfreude perspective; oughta be fun if/when it happens somewhere.
- SC116

Sakic was smarter than everyone else when he first started, abandoned Duchene and Statsny, cleared some space and reloaded. Now their margin for error is zero because the cap and it's tough to call him infallible.

For as good a job as Zito did flipping the roster in Florida to win a cup they are kind of in oh (frank) territory as well.

The lightning of course are another example and he who shall not be named sure didn't do a great job on the back 9 for Toews and Kane.

Stan made some very questionable deals, like losing a Saad trade twice but once guys are locked up and you're a competitive cap team, it's really a different world.

The maneuvering when Bedard is on deal two and all of a sudden there's 8 figures on the books and some other guys need to get paid or they need to go get someone of consequence is going to be where we figure it out how good at his job he is.

As several people have pointed out here any moron can spend money on random veterans and mid tier players with Detroit being a good example.

Bertuzzi is a top 6 guy the next 2 years. Probably bottom 6 guy the back 2 which is when you should start to see Moore, Lardis, Kansternov with maybe Boisvert, Mustard, ect knocking on the door the year after.

They're still gonna need guys.

Regarding Nazar, even if he starts in rockford he won't be there long. I think he's going to hit that Brayden Point comparable. I also think Hayes is a regular by the end of the year.

They certainly didn't sign all these veterans to not break in some kids.

Hall, Bedard, TT
Bertuzzi, Richardinson, Mikheyev
Kurashev, AA, Reichel
Maroon/Donato, Nazar, Smith/Foligno

Slaggert and Anderson are hanging out in Rockford waiting for one of the old guys to get hurt.

They only have 6 defenders so unless something shocking happens like Arty ending up in the NHL this fall (which may not be outside the realm of possibilities) there's not a lot of wiggle room there but Martinez and Brodie being able to play both sides gives them some flexibility.

Prolly

Vlasic Jones
Korch Martinez
Kaiser Murphy\Brodie

or

Martinez Jones
Vlasic Brodie
Korch Murphy

Kaiser\EDM for when one of those guys goes down which probably won't take long. I'd prefer they play the younger guys a little more and be more conservative with the vets where they can afford to be but what do I know.

Seems like Luke is sick of losing and is going to play the veteran blankie game based on some of his comments.
- fattybeef

But why sign bertuzzi to two years too long to get two good years. TT is good but he isn't like an absolute stud persay. I'd imagine he would be a line 1.5 or line 2 guy on a good team. We needed vets but we I think some of these moves were Kyle on a compulsive spending bender. Getting higher the more money he can spend. Lol. I wouldn't have minded seeing stauber as our backup. He actually played well when he was up with us a couple times. Wonder why they chose to keep Soderblom. Stauber actually had great awareness on the ice as a goalie. I felt he was underrated. I read someone in here said the Hawks let him leave. Is this true?

Sakic was smarter than everyone else when he first started, abandoned Duchene and Statsny, cleared some space and reloaded. Now their margin for error is zero because the cap and it's tough to call him infallible.

For as good a job as Zito did flipping the roster in Florida to win a cup they are kind of in oh (frank) territory as well.

The lightning of course are another example and he who shall not be named sure didn't do a great job on the back 9 for Toews and Kane.

Stan made some very questionable deals, like losing a Saad trade twice but once guys are locked up and you're a competitive cap team, it's really a different world.

The maneuvering when Bedard is on deal two and all of a sudden there's 8 figures on the books and some other guys need to get paid or they need to go get someone of consequence is going to be where we figure it out how good at his job he is.

As several people have pointed out here any moron can spend money on random veterans and mid tier players with Detroit being a good example.
- fattybeef

You hit my next points on the head. Sakic has done a heck of a job in colorado. Florida has been a powerhouse for a while. Even when they got our old coach.They may have lost a couple guys but that team is stacked. Bob isn't the same goalie he used to be but they have defense and a ton of offense. I kind of wish we had a do-over on forsling though. They had continued saying he was going to be a stud and he turned into it. He just needed time. Cap management is important and if we start doing 3 and 4 year deals on bertuzzi and TT we are going to stalwart the contracts of any of the other kids. I know I hope the Hawks do right and part ways with the veterans when they need to. Kind of like the lightning did with stamkos and lecavlier. Bowman did a poor job in handing out contracts to guys past their time to allow them to play their careers in one place. That's fine and all but this is a business and teams need to win, and although I think bedard is going to be a stud, it may be better if we let him go at some point when he starts losing it instead of going the Duncan keith and Seabrook way of contracts. I know it's good for the fan base and makes the players feel good to play in one place for their career but loyalty gets you in cap crunch issues. We should continue churning guys out and trying to focus on doing the best to keep the team winning, not allowing Alex ovechkin to play until he is 56 years old just to beat gretzsky goal record. I think ovechkin would have already beaten it if his first year wasn't wiped because of the strike.

On another note, we need to talk to Ek on fixing the pop ups on this site. It's so bad. Everyone wants to make a living but this site is honestly massively dog water. I actually like hockey trade rumors.

I just hope the Hawks and Davidson do the right things to avoid giving contracts away based on the way the player had played in the past rather than how they will play in the future. Think of the Yankees with Aaron judge. That contract is going to be a disaster the last 3 or 4 years. Look at Giancarlo Stanton. They didn't sign him to the deal but it gives you an idea of how terrible long term deals work. As long as Davidson isn't giving out massive long term deals I'm good. I just wanna see him find the solution to the cap. There's gotta be a way. The TB lightning have been relevant yoy for like ever it seems like. Florida seems like the next one to figure it out. Bob in florida is the only long term contract they have that may not finish well.

Bertuzzi is a top 6 guy the next 2 years. Probably bottom 6 guy the back 2 which is when you should start to see Moore, Lardis, Kansternov with maybe Boisvert, Mustard, ect knocking on the door the year after.

They're still gonna need guys.

Regarding Nazar, even if he starts in rockford he won't be there long. I think he's going to hit that Brayden Point comparable. I also think Hayes is a regular by the end of the year.

They certainly didn't sign all these veterans to not break in some kids.

Hall, Bedard, TT
Bertuzzi, Richardinson, Mikheyev
Kurashev, AA, Reichel
Maroon/Donato, Nazar, Smith/Foligno

Slaggert and Anderson are hanging out in Rockford waiting for one of the old guys to get hurt.

They only have 6 defenders so unless something shocking happens like Arty ending up in the NHL this fall (which may not be outside the realm of possibilities) there's not a lot of wiggle room there but Martinez and Brodie being able to play both sides gives them some flexibility.

Prolly

Vlasic Jones
Korch Martinez
Kaiser Murphy\Brodie

or

Martinez Jones
Vlasic Brodie
Korch Murphy

Kaiser\EDM for when one of those guys goes down which probably won't take long. I'd prefer they play the younger guys a little more and be more conservative with the vets where they can afford to be but what do I know.

Seems like Luke is sick of losing and is going to play the veteran blankie game based on some of his comments.
- fattybeef

On defense:

Vlasic - Jones
KK - Murphy
Brodie - Levshunov
Martinez

Most of those vet moves like maroon are to help the young kids grow. They are champions and have the pedigree to help bedard and KK along with growing in the NHL. My only issue with these moves are they are a little too long. Bettuzzi got 4 years. These moves give us an idea of when the Hawks expect to really be relevant and competing again. I'd say year 3 of Bertuzzi deal is when KD considers the Hawks to be playoff contenders. By then, Nazar, and the others are probably ready to handle the reins as impactful to hitting their learning curve topping out. I did not expect any of these moves. I don't mind them, but don't love them either. I think they all help the team for the next few years but now we know that we don't really intend to compete fully until year 3. I was figuring that we would bring in some veterans but wouldn't try to sign anyone long term and 4 years just seems a bit much considering we have built multiple drafts now and our team had so much cap space. I don't think these moves hamstring us but I also think we could have found some 1 year vets and went after some second tier guys to hold us over until everyone is ready. Bedard is going to need a contract and several others. Bertuzzi is the one i worry about the most. He's a headcase worse than his dad. Anyone else kind of meh on these deals thinking we kind of changed up what Davidson told us from the get-go?

I know we can compete a bit with the new lineup but I also like to think that we wanna try to build our team internally like we did with toews, Kane, Duncan and so forth.

My feelings were that Davidson wanted to keep the team churning out stars year over year. That way we can keep our cap number low year after year. It's so hard to stay competitive now days with the cap but I was thinking Davidson came up with a way to keep us relevant year after year and play in the playoffs every year by building from within. Anyone agree or disagree?
- Hawk4life

Drafting your way to a SC is darn near impossible. Drafting your way to maintaining that level while picking lower. Nothing is impossible except that.

"Bedard is going to have a chance to play with some great players"

Name 1 great player on this roster?

Maroon is the SLOWEST player in the NHL

Terrible day for KD
- Goalie-33

Bedard and Vlasic. KFC gave Bedard actual top 6 players to help fill out his line and the second line. Yep...terrible day.

Bedard and Vlasic. KFC gave Bedard actual top 6 players to help fill out his line and the second line. Yep...terrible day.
- HawkintheD

Maroon - Bedard - Smith

That’s a pretty sweet top line.

You hit my next points on the head. Sakic has done a heck of a job in colorado. Florida has been a powerhouse for a while. Even when they got our old coach.They may have lost a couple guys but that team is stacked. Bob isn't the same goalie he used to be but they have defense and a ton of offense. I kind of wish we had a do-over on forsling though. They had continued saying he was going to be a stud and he turned into it. He just needed time. Cap management is important and if we start doing 3 and 4 year deals on bertuzzi and TT we are going to stalwart the contracts of any of the other kids. I know I hope the Hawks do right and part ways with the veterans when they need to. Kind of like the lightning did with stamkos and lecavlier. Bowman did a poor job in handing out contracts to guys past their time to allow them to play their careers in one place. That's fine and all but this is a business and teams need to win, and although I think bedard is going to be a stud, it may be better if we let him go at some point when he starts losing it instead of going the Duncan keith and Seabrook way of contracts. I know it's good for the fan base and makes the players feel good to play in one place for their career but loyalty gets you in cap crunch issues. We should continue churning guys out and trying to focus on doing the best to keep the team winning, not allowing Alex ovechkin to play until he is 56 years old just to beat gretzsky goal record. I think ovechkin would have already beaten it if his first year wasn't wiped because of the strike.

On another note, we need to talk to Ek on fixing the pop ups on this site. It's so bad. Everyone wants to make a living but this site is honestly massively dog water. I actually like hockey trade rumors.

I just hope the Hawks and Davidson do the right things to avoid giving contracts away based on the way the player had played in the past rather than how they will play in the future. Think of the Yankees with Aaron judge. That contract is going to be a disaster the last 3 or 4 years. Look at Giancarlo Stanton. They didn't sign him to the deal but it gives you an idea of how terrible long term deals work. As long as Davidson isn't giving out massive long term deals I'm good. I just wanna see him find the solution to the cap. There's gotta be a way. The TB lightning have been relevant yoy for like ever it seems like. Florida seems like the next one to figure it out. Bob in florida is the only long term contract they have that may not finish well.
- Hawk4life

I think Forsling is a cautionary tale for the coaching staff you employ.

He looked good playing for Q and then had no place with JC. He got stuck at Carolina because there was no space in the roster (which is what some are fearing may happen to Reichel this year) and Q got him again and here we are. If it's someone other than smartest guy in the room JC then maybe he's here long term.

I use Duck Duck Go to block the pop ups.

I'm gonna disagree on the OV portion. That will be very special when he breaks that record and cements himself as the greatest goalscorer of all time. It'll be indisputable at that point. Winning cups is great but that is some serious history as well.

Over the course of Keith's deal - tough to predict he'd need knee surgery at some point - Keith's 13 year deal was a bargain for 10, about par for 1 and maybe an overpayment his last two. You'd take that regression every time.

Signing Seabrook who was gonna be over 30 to that deal when you could see signs of more serious regression was not smart. Keeping Patrick Sharp too long was a problem. Missing on 3 and 8 when they had the opportunity to reload on the fly was very bad.

But generally speaking theyre going to get capped at some point and hopefully they have the right guys locked in.

Maroon - Bedard - Smith

That’s a pretty sweet top line.
- DarthKane

Redass and protection!

On defense:

Vlasic - Jones
KK - Murphy
Brodie - Levshunov
Martinez
- DarthKane

That could happen.

Maroon - Bedard - Smith

That’s a pretty sweet top line.
- DarthKane

Lotta sand paper and rubbing off in the corners.

On a side note it's nice we're finally arguing again about who should be on the ice and who should be riding the pine or in Rockford instead of assuming anyone who can skate will make the team and hopefully not be dreadful.

You hit my next points on the head. Sakic has done a heck of a job in colorado. Florida has been a powerhouse for a while. Even when they got our old coach.They may have lost a couple guys but that team is stacked. Bob isn't the same goalie he used to be but they have defense and a ton of offense. I kind of wish we had a do-over on forsling though. They had continued saying he was going to be a stud and he turned into it. He just needed time. Cap management is important and if we start doing 3 and 4 year deals on bertuzzi and TT we are going to stalwart the contracts of any of the other kids. I know I hope the Hawks do right and part ways with the veterans when they need to. Kind of like the lightning did with stamkos and lecavlier. Bowman did a poor job in handing out contracts to guys past their time to allow them to play their careers in one place. That's fine and all but this is a business and teams need to win, and although I think bedard is going to be a stud, it may be better if we let him go at some point when he starts losing it instead of going the Duncan keith and Seabrook way of contracts. I know it's good for the fan base and makes the players feel good to play in one place for their career but loyalty gets you in cap crunch issues. We should continue churning guys out and trying to focus on doing the best to keep the team winning, not allowing Alex ovechkin to play until he is 56 years old just to beat gretzsky goal record. I think ovechkin would have already beaten it if his first year wasn't wiped because of the strike.

On another note, we need to talk to Ek on fixing the pop ups on this site. It's so bad. Everyone wants to make a living but this site is honestly massively dog water. I actually like hockey trade rumors.

I just hope the Hawks and Davidson do the right things to avoid giving contracts away based on the way the player had played in the past rather than how they will play in the future. Think of the Yankees with Aaron judge. That contract is going to be a disaster the last 3 or 4 years. Look at Giancarlo Stanton. They didn't sign him to the deal but it gives you an idea of how terrible long term deals work. As long as Davidson isn't giving out massive long term deals I'm good. I just wanna see him find the solution to the cap. There's gotta be a way. The TB lightning have been relevant yoy for like ever it seems like. Florida seems like the next one to figure it out. Bob in florida is the only long term contract they have that may not finish well.
- Hawk4life

I wish I could think of the Yankees. No hard cap and they couldn't care less about money. All they want are the players and they get more than their share.

Maroon - Bedard - Smith

That’s a pretty sweet top line.
- DarthKane

I don't think Bedard will break his jaw again on that line.

The Blues have signed their 1st round pick, Adam Jircek, to his entry level contract.

Meanwhile, Kyle has done nothing today.
- DarthKane

I really was hoping he'd fall to us. The right side would be in good hands for years

I really was hoping he'd fall to us. The right side would be in good hands for years
- BetweenTheDots

Levshunov, Jiricek and Rinzel? That would be very interesting and potentially very exciting.

On a side note it's nice we're finally arguing again about who should be on the ice and who should be riding the pine or in Rockford instead of assuming anyone who can skate will make the team and hopefully not be dreadful.
- fattybeef

Definite breath of fresh air. I've been reading some other boards and people have started female doging about Crevier not getting enough of a chance, and the fact KD didn't secure a 2C among a number of other ridiculous arguments.

I'd much rather this than "man I hope one of the Johnsons doesn't completely suck."