Rolling back the same squad plus Michkov….not seeing this as a step back season although I agree would be what a smart, well thought out plan should look like. I’m not seeing Briere implement that so far.
What tough decisions that they mentioned have they actually done? I know fully what they have said, which I’m good with….now if their actions would meet the rhetoric we might be in business.
As far as Quitter, I agree the Flyers aren’t fully at fault….just like I’m sure they aren’t fully at fault to getting nothing done this off season….just like they are not at fault for reaching in the first round and trading away draft capital to maybe grab the same pick next year in what might be a deeper draft…had they moved a Farabee, a Konecny, a Sanheim for another pick then I might agree that the rebuild plan is in full swing….they haven’t done that though.
Do I really care if they pick 8th or 12th next year ? Why would I if they are going to draft the 18th best prospect and reach again? After watching this disappointing off season I’m not going to blindly praise the new group just because they talk a good game….I will judge them on what they actually do and not brag about what they tried to do…
All that said I hope they do get this team going the other way…I’m not seeing a reason to be optimistic at this point…beyond Michkov.
- landros 2

Lets face facts and be honest, last season was less about the Flyers being a good team and more about the rest of the league having a lot of mediocre and bad teams. I don't think Briere and Jones for an instant thought this team would be where they ended up at the start of last season. The Flyers got off to a great start based in large part to great goaltending and surprising a few teams. Then they benefitted from playing a lot of mediocre and bad teams. But think about it, given the way the Flyers ended the season, if Briere comes back with essentially the same team next season, with only the addition or Michkov and the subtraction of Atkinson, that in itself is an aknowledgment that Briere does not want this team to make the playoffs next season. And given the improvements at least on paper other teams have made around them, I think there is a good chance this season the Flyers are fighting with Columbus for the last spot in the Metro.

Now if I were GM I would go a step further to cement my top 5 pick by trading as many veterans as I can, but other teams have to want these players. I have heard that Briere has dangled Frost, Farabee and Laughton out there for weeks, and has yet to receive an offer even worth thinking about. We have to face the facts that other teams seem to not value these players as much as maybe some on this forum do. I also heard TK's agent is going to hold firm at his asking price and is willing to ride this out to the very last moment if need be, just like he did with TKs last contract. If I am Briere, I hold firm at something like 6 years $8.25M and if a deal cannot be reached, I trade TK at the deadline where I can maximize the return. But I would not stop there, I think its imperative Briere assure he is picking in the top 5 next draft. We have already seen twice now that teams are not willing to trade out of the top 10, the Flyers need to be sure they are not put in the position they were this past draft. Otherwise, this rebuild will never happen. You only win a Cup with 2 elite players and a solid team around them. Maybe Michkov becomes an elite player. Still the Flyers need to lock up another one, and their best chance is picking very high in the draft. If Briere does not sell hard at the deadline next season, I will certainly lose faith in him as a GM, because his stated plan of building through the 2025 draft makes ZERO sense if he doesn't.

They aren’t giving up wright for tk
- Stayin alive

They did just draft and sign Catton....maybe there is something that can be done. I think the possibilty is there that he might be available. Not saying that is for TK, but he might be available for the right return. Maybe Laughton plus some thing. Laughton and Farabee for Wright plus? Then they could resign TK if they wanted to, but I would still want TK traded.

They did just draft and sign Catton....maybe there is something that can be done. I think the possibilty is there that he might be available. Not saying that is for TK, but he might be available for the right return. Maybe Laughton plus some thing. Laughton and Farabee for Wright plus? Then they could resign TK if they wanted to, but I would still want TK traded.
- TheFreak

That's a good point

Lets face facts and be honest, last season was less about the Flyers being a good team and more about the rest of the league having a lot of mediocre and bad teams. I don't think Briere and Jones for an instant thought this team would be where they ended up at the start of last season. The Flyers got off to a great start based in large part to great goaltending and surprising a few teams. Then they benefitted from playing a lot of mediocre and bad teams. But think about it, given the way the Flyers ended the season, if Briere comes back with essentially the same team next season, with only the addition or Michkov and the subtraction of Atkinson, that in itself is an aknowledgment that Briere does not want this team to make the playoffs next season. And given the improvements at least on paper other teams have made around them, I think there is a good chance this season the Flyers are fighting with Columbus for the last spot in the Metro.

Now if I were GM I would go a step further to cement my top 5 pick by trading as many veterans as I can, but other teams have to want these players. I have heard that Briere has dangled Frost, Farabee and Laughton out there for weeks, and has yet to receive an offer even worth thinking about. We have to face the facts that other teams seem to not value these players as much as maybe some on this forum do. I also heard TK's agent is going to hold firm at his asking price and is willing to ride this out to the very last moment if need be, just like he did with TKs last contract. If I am Briere, I hold firm at something like 6 years $8.25M and if a deal cannot be reached, I trade TK at the deadline where I can maximize the return. But I would not stop there, I think its imperative Briere assure he is picking in the top 5 next draft. We have already seen twice now that teams are not willing to trade out of the top 10, the Flyers need to be sure they are not put in the position they were this past draft. Otherwise, this rebuild will never happen. You only win a Cup with 2 elite players and a solid team around them. Maybe Michkov becomes an elite player. Still the Flyers need to lock up another one, and their best chance is picking very high in the draft. If Briere does not sell hard at the deadline next season, I will certainly lose faith in him as a GM, because his stated plan of building through the 2025 draft makes ZERO sense if he doesn't.
- jd250

entertaining post.

- you "heard", where did you hear it at? he probably hasnt gotten a good offer in his eyes as he severely over values his players which is an indication he really doesn't want to move them.

- tk is holding firm? did yo hear that from the same "source"?

- either trade or re-sign (my hope) tk before the season starts. so much can go wrong if you don't

- still so funny you think they are going to trade their "Core" players. both tk and laughton will get ext at some point.

Lets face facts and be honest, last season was less about the Flyers being a good team and more about the rest of the league having a lot of mediocre and bad teams. I don't think Briere and Jones for an instant thought this team would be where they ended up at the start of last season. The Flyers got off to a great start based in large part to great goaltending and surprising a few teams. Then they benefitted from playing a lot of mediocre and bad teams. But think about it, given the way the Flyers ended the season, if Briere comes back with essentially the same team next season, with only the addition or Michkov and the subtraction of Atkinson, that in itself is an aknowledgment that Briere does not want this team to make the playoffs next season. And given the improvements at least on paper other teams have made around them, I think there is a good chance this season the Flyers are fighting with Columbus for the last spot in the Metro.

Now if I were GM I would go a step further to cement my top 5 pick by trading as many veterans as I can, but other teams have to want these players. I have heard that Briere has dangled Frost, Farabee and Laughton out there for weeks, and has yet to receive an offer even worth thinking about. We have to face the facts that other teams seem to not value these players as much as maybe some on this forum do. I also heard TK's agent is going to hold firm at his asking price and is willing to ride this out to the very last moment if need be, just like he did with TKs last contract. If I am Briere, I hold firm at something like 6 years $8.25M and if a deal cannot be reached, I trade TK at the deadline where I can maximize the return. But I would not stop there, I think its imperative Briere assure he is picking in the top 5 next draft. We have already seen twice now that teams are not willing to trade out of the top 10, the Flyers need to be sure they are not put in the position they were this past draft. Otherwise, this rebuild will never happen. You only win a Cup with 2 elite players and a solid team around them. Maybe Michkov becomes an elite player. Still the Flyers need to lock up another one, and their best chance is picking very high in the draft. If Briere does not sell hard at the deadline next season, I will certainly lose faith in him as a GM, because his stated plan of building through the 2025 draft makes ZERO sense if he doesn't.
- jd250

It seems to me that it’s Briere who’s overvaluing these players. Frost and Farabee are “buy low” players from the outside looking in and GMDB shouldn’t give up on them u less it’s a sound hockey trade. However, when I see McCloud get traded for Sovie and another player, I have serious doubts about Briere’s understanding of how to wheel and deal. I’m not saying that he could’ve gotten that same deal from Buffalo for Laughton, but at this point Laughton serves now legit future purpose on the team. Similarly, there’s no way TK is not a hot commodity on the trade market. There are teams who have the cap room to sign him long term who need to open up a contending window now. Utah comes to mind for one. Vegas is always looking to add and figure ways to use the cap. Heck, TK and Ellis are the perfect package deal for any team that likes to play cap-roulette like Tampa and Vegas. Until GMDB pulls the trigger and trades these 2 vets, I can no longer give him the benefit of any doubt. Patience is one thing but this is really starting to look like inaction. Unless something changes, don’t count on a top 5 draft pick because Laughton & TK will help keep this team from bottoming out and Frost and Farabee are much better than the coach will allow them to be.

Lets face facts and be honest, last season was less about the Flyers being a good team and more about the rest of the league having a lot of mediocre and bad teams. I don't think Briere and Jones for an instant thought this team would be where they ended up at the start of last season. The Flyers got off to a great start based in large part to great goaltending and surprising a few teams. Then they benefitted from playing a lot of mediocre and bad teams. But think about it, given the way the Flyers ended the season, if Briere comes back with essentially the same team next season, with only the addition or Michkov and the subtraction of Atkinson, that in itself is an aknowledgment that Briere does not want this team to make the playoffs next season. And given the improvements at least on paper other teams have made around them, I think there is a good chance this season the Flyers are fighting with Columbus for the last spot in the Metro.

Now if I were GM I would go a step further to cement my top 5 pick by trading as many veterans as I can, but other teams have to want these players. I have heard that Briere has dangled Frost, Farabee and Laughton out there for weeks, and has yet to receive an offer even worth thinking about. We have to face the facts that other teams seem to not value these players as much as maybe some on this forum do. I also heard TK's agent is going to hold firm at his asking price and is willing to ride this out to the very last moment if need be, just like he did with TKs last contract. If I am Briere, I hold firm at something like 6 years $8.25M and if a deal cannot be reached, I trade TK at the deadline where I can maximize the return. But I would not stop there, I think its imperative Briere assure he is picking in the top 5 next draft. We have already seen twice now that teams are not willing to trade out of the top 10, the Flyers need to be sure they are not put in the position they were this past draft. Otherwise, this rebuild will never happen. You only win a Cup with 2 elite players and a solid team around them. Maybe Michkov becomes an elite player. Still the Flyers need to lock up another one, and their best chance is picking very high in the draft. If Briere does not sell hard at the deadline next season, I will certainly lose faith in him as a GM, because his stated plan of building through the 2025 draft makes ZERO sense if he doesn't.
- jd250

Here’s the problem on what we disagree about…. You have guys like Foerster, Brink, Farabee and Tippet along with guys like York and a healthy Drysdale should or will take further steps in their development. If the Goaltending can be solid and with the addition of a kid like Michkov this team will be better… all the Briere apologists don’t seem to think any of these young guys will continue to grow…. Where we do agree is one way to assure a team that will struggle is you actually “trade” some of your more productive players which he doesn’t appear willing to do…. You can say all you want that “you’ve heard” he is trying but don’t you find it at all odd that he hasn’t traded even “one” guy? I don’t care what he says or you say he try’s to do because the only thing that matters is “actual” results… so far the plan is either too hard for him to accomplish or just maybe he’s not actually trying…. We differ on what the answer is.

Lets face facts and be honest, last season was less about the Flyers being a good team and more about the rest of the league having a lot of mediocre and bad teams. I don't think Briere and Jones for an instant thought this team would be where they ended up at the start of last season. The Flyers got off to a great start based in large part to great goaltending and surprising a few teams. Then they benefitted from playing a lot of mediocre and bad teams. But think about it, given the way the Flyers ended the season, if Briere comes back with essentially the same team next season, with only the addition or Michkov and the subtraction of Atkinson, that in itself is an aknowledgment that Briere does not want this team to make the playoffs next season. And given the improvements at least on paper other teams have made around them, I think there is a good chance this season the Flyers are fighting with Columbus for the last spot in the Metro.

Now if I were GM I would go a step further to cement my top 5 pick by trading as many veterans as I can, but other teams have to want these players. I have heard that Briere has dangled Frost, Farabee and Laughton out there for weeks, and has yet to receive an offer even worth thinking about. We have to face the facts that other teams seem to not value these players as much as maybe some on this forum do. I also heard TK's agent is going to hold firm at his asking price and is willing to ride this out to the very last moment if need be, just like he did with TKs last contract. If I am Briere, I hold firm at something like 6 years $8.25M and if a deal cannot be reached, I trade TK at the deadline where I can maximize the return. But I would not stop there, I think its imperative Briere assure he is picking in the top 5 next draft. We have already seen twice now that teams are not willing to trade out of the top 10, the Flyers need to be sure they are not put in the position they were this past draft. Otherwise, this rebuild will never happen. You only win a Cup with 2 elite players and a solid team around them. Maybe Michkov becomes an elite player. Still the Flyers need to lock up another one, and their best chance is picking very high in the draft. If Briere does not sell hard at the deadline next season, I will certainly lose faith in him as a GM, because his stated plan of building through the 2025 draft makes ZERO sense if he doesn't.
- jd250

The fact they running back the same team + Michkov is not a sign they don't want to make the playoffs next season.

Read the previously posted article : https://thehockeywriters....-can-retool-their-roster/

The Flyers have 870k in cap space which is about as dumb as it gets for a "rebuilding" team that hasn't made the playoffs in 4 years and they spend most of their time extending their 30+ 3rd pair, 4th line players. The narrative has already been pushed publicly that "if they hadn't traded Walker, they'd have been in the playoffs". Roster players should've been long gone are still here. Players who don't fit the time line, are still here.

If they did try to trade for/sign another player to improve the team it would require moving young players and draft picks at which point the charade would be over even for the lemmings.

It seems to me that it’s Briere who’s overvaluing these players. Frost and Farabee are “buy low” players from the outside looking in and GMDB shouldn’t give up on them u less it’s a sound hockey trade. However, when I see McCloud get traded for Sovie and another player, I have serious doubts about Briere’s understanding of how to wheel and deal. I’m not saying that he could’ve gotten that same deal from Buffalo for Laughton, but at this point Laughton serves now legit future purpose on the team. Similarly, there’s no way TK is not a hot commodity on the trade market. There are teams who have the cap room to sign him long term who need to open up a contending window now. Utah comes to mind for one. Vegas is always looking to add and figure ways to use the cap. Heck, TK and Ellis are the perfect package deal for any team that likes to play cap-roulette like Tampa and Vegas. Until GMDB pulls the trigger and trades these 2 vets, I can no longer give him the benefit of any doubt. Patience is one thing but this is really starting to look like inaction. Unless something changes, don’t count on a top 5 draft pick because Laughton & TK will help keep this team from bottoming out and Frost and Farabee are much better than the coach will allow them to be.
- mikeyo27

No one on this board knows what is being offered to DB, for people to say he over valuing his players, please show me the proof.

It is DBs job to get the max back in trades, not to just to just accept what a team offers.

No one on this board knows what is being offered to DB, for people to say he over valuing his players, please show me the proof.

It is DBs job to get the max back in trades, not to just to just accept what a team offers.
- WhiskeyMan

True…. We also don’t know if he’s actually willing to or trying to trade anyone. All we know is that the Flyers have done nothing since the end of their season that suggests we are in a rebuild.

No one on this board knows what is being offered to DB, for people to say he over valuing his players, please show me the proof.

It is DBs job to get the max back in trades, not to just to just accept what a team offers.
- WhiskeyMan

Not disagreeing on the first part but the second part is subjective. Show me the proof that he actually wants to trade any of his players? Take a step back to move forward longterm? Least active "rebuilding" GM in history.

And even if he did, the best offer may not be a Fletcher overvalue, please be my valentine, for Risto type offer. At some point, the best offer, even if it's not what you want or think you should get, is the best you will ever get for a player.

the even funnier thing is these "retools" make zero sense as your retooling a sad sack schitt ass team. the 3 stooges actually think they can build a winner with this slop

Not like it was a a decent or good team that had an off year or what not.
- hello it's me 2050

Exactly. Nothing that has been done since the 3 took over tell me any different. I hope they get it right but they are going to have to thread the needle.

Remember - DB learned under the mentorship of Chuck.

No one on this board knows what is being offered to DB, for people to say he over valuing his players, please show me the proof.

It is DBs job to get the max back in trades, not to just to just accept what a team offers.
- WhiskeyMan

Right on. That’s pretty much what I said. Said it “seems to me” (not a statement of fact) but one of opinion. And ultimately because of the perceived inaction, I can and will no longer give him the benefit of the doubt. That article by the Hockey Writers (and it’s fair to presume they know more than us since they are beat reporters) kind suggests the exact same thing most of us believe. Right now Briere, Jones, Hilferty and Torts have accomplished nothing but a full year of middle of the road results that suggest neither a rebuild nor a team ready to contend. Stuck in the Middle with You keeps playing in my head when I think of this front office and their grand plan. I want to see results and I haven’t.

No one on this board knows what is being offered to DB, for people to say he over valuing his players, please show me the proof.

It is DBs job to get the max back in trades, not to just to just accept what a team offers.
- WhiskeyMan

Same excuses Fletcher gave

Who believes this? Other teams find ways to move players, and actually commit to a rebuild.

Instead of gas lighting a fanbase when it’s the same half ass retool nonsense year after year.

the sky is falling!!!

Same excuses Fletcher gave

Who believes this? Other teams find ways to move players, and actually commit to a rebuild.

Instead of gas lighting a fanbase when it’s the same half ass retool nonsense year after year.
- flyer_nutter

I am hopeful that players can be moved at the trade deadline.

https://x.com/billmeltzer...tatus/1809973986232868895

Zamula re-signed... 2 years with an AAV of $1.7M.

https://x.com/billmeltzer/status/1809973986232868895

Zamula re-signed... 2 years with an AAV of $1.7M.
- BaronVonShiznit

Exactly what I thought it would be. Seems like a fair deal. Good work DB.

https://thehockeywriters.com/how-philadelphia-flyers-can-retool-their-roster/

It’s not a rebuild
- mikeyo27

Please pm this to jd50

Seems a lot of good feedback on Jett from camp. It does seem the Flyers have speed with a good number of their prospects, not saying it will translate into stars but rather have the speed and edge work prospects.

entertaining post.

- you "heard", where did you hear it at? he probably hasnt gotten a good offer in his eyes as he severely over values his players which is an indication he really doesn't want to move them.

- tk is holding firm? did yo hear that from the same "source"?

- either trade or re-sign (my hope) tk before the season starts. so much can go wrong if you don't

- still so funny you think they are going to trade their "Core" players. both tk and laughton will get ext at some point.
- hello it's me 2050

He heard it from stg podcast. That’s exactly what asf and Bundy were saying about tk contract demands.

He believes everything he hears from podcast and such. No critical thinking skills involved

No offense to anyone but some of you are off your wagon…
1) db WAY overvalues his players
2) this whole he shops players is false
3) he admitted he had a fair value trade offer for laughts going back almost 2 years ago yet did t trade him because he would need to be blown away by offer.

Same for tk
Same for bee
Same for everyone.


This isn’t what a rebuild does it’s a retool. And a horrible one at that


Gullible fans like jd50 believe every word that comes out of their mouths. Book liner sinker.

Status quo.


The fact of the matter is db is most likely been pegged by other gm’s already because surely many have called about different players /scenarios and know he is not rebuilding and players really aren’t available. They WANT to keep the laughts tk seelers gh nd types of players.

What gm’s will do now is what for his massive mistakes and to be in a bind and them rape him same as cf.

See Risto trade.

Same excuses Fletcher gave

Who believes this? Other teams find ways to move players, and actually commit to a rebuild.

Instead of gas lighting a fanbase when it’s the same half ass retool nonsense year after year.
- flyer_nutter

Why would they change?
Status quo makes profit

As long as you have a fanbase as dumb as the flyers fanbase they can get away with it

As long as they have media like asf out there spewing to the jd50’s of fanbase they are all set.

entertaining post.

- you "heard", where did you hear it at? he probably hasnt gotten a good offer in his eyes as he severely over values his players which is an indication he really doesn't want to move them.
- hello it's me 2050

This has been reported by several sources, Charlie O'Connor for one, and several pod casts.

- tk is holding firm? did yo hear that from the same "source"?
- hello it's me 2050

Chris Therien has or had the same agent as TK and that agent told him this. Bundy talked about this in the latest Snow the Goalie (or as Torts calls it "that silly podcast") podcast.

- either trade or re-sign (my hope) tk before the season starts. so much can go wrong if you don't
- hello it's me 2050

I am all for signing TK at the right price, but if he really thinks he should get 8 years at $9M+, he is very misinformed and the Flyers should trade him.

- still so funny you think they are going to trade their "Core" players. both tk and laughton will get ext at some point.
- hello it's me 2050

Like I said, if Danny doesn't do all he can to assure he is picking in the top 5 of this coming draft, he is incompetent and well, just plain stupid IMO, and deserves to lose his job. You cannot possibly tell the fan base the plan is to target the 2025 draft, grab 6 picks in the first two rounds, and then start it off picking 12th or 15th. That would be pure lunacy!

https://x.com/billmeltzer/status/1809973986232868895

Zamula re-signed... 2 years with an AAV of $1.7M.
- BaronVonShiznit

Yup, this is pretty much all the cap space they had left before you factor in LTIR. I'm glad Zamula is betting on himself with a bridge contract. I sincerely hope he can grab a bigger piece of the blue line moving forward. I would like him to continue to bulk up a bit more though.

No one on this board knows what is being offered to DB, for people to say he over valuing his players, please show me the proof.

It is DBs job to get the max back in trades, not to just to just accept what a team offers.
- WhiskeyMan

Db admitted he had fair trade value for laughts but would need to be blown away. There is no maxing trade value when you want to keep them. Maximizing by what standard? Db raping another gm in trade? That’s not gonna happen.

Rebuild means fair trade offer you take it. Simple. Seen time over time over time again. He’s proven he won’t trade with fair value.