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Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 7 @ 12:10 PM ET
True…. We also don’t know if he’s actually willing to or trying to trade anyone. All we know is that the Flyers have done nothing since the end of their season that suggests we are in a rebuild.
- landros 2

But but but he traded walker
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 7 @ 12:13 PM ET
This has been reported by several sources, Charlie O'Connor for one, and several pod casts.


Chris Therien has or had the same agent as TK and that agent told him this. Bundy talked about this in the latest Snow the Goalie (or as Torts calls it "that silly podcast") podcast.


I am all for signing TK at the right price, but if he really thinks he should get 8 years at $9M+, he is very misinformed and the Flyers should trade him.


Like I said, if Danny doesn't do all he can to assure he is picking in the top 5 of this coming draft, he is incompetent and well, just plain stupid IMO, and deserves to lose his job. You cannot possibly tell the fan base the plan is to target the 2025 draft, grab 6 picks in the first two rounds, and then start it off picking 12th or 15th. That would be pure lunacy!

- jd250


- so then you haven't heard squat, you are just repeating what pretty much most have already read/listened too.

- love how the plan is no the 2025 draft. good stuff.

- tk is getting 8 years. accept it, get over it, and move on.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 7 @ 12:15 PM ET
I am hopeful that players can be moved at the trade deadline.
- WhiskeyMan

Hahahaahahaah why?
Yeah they can be moved. Same as last tdl and the one before. What did they do? Why in the hell would you be hopeful? They are gonna resign tk. And they not only won’t move laughts they’ll resign him too
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jul 7 @ 12:25 PM ET
Hahahaahahaah why?
Yeah they can be moved. Same as last tdl and the one before. What did they do? Why in the hell would you be hopeful? They are gonna resign tk. And they not only won’t move laughts they’ll resign him too

- Stayin alive


Why? Teams are more desperate at the deadline.

Also next draft is a deep draft
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 7 @ 12:29 PM ET
This has been reported by several sources, Charlie O'Connor for one, and several pod casts.


Chris Therien has or had the same agent as TK and that agent told him this. Bundy talked about this in the latest Snow the Goalie (or as Torts calls it "that silly podcast") podcast.


I am all for signing TK at the right price, but if he really thinks he should get 8 years at $9M+, he is very misinformed and the Flyers should trade him.


Like I said, if Danny doesn't do all he can to assure he is picking in the top 5 of this coming draft, he is incompetent and well, just plain stupid IMO, and deserves to lose his job. You cannot possibly tell the fan base the plan is to target the 2025 draft, grab 6 picks in the first two rounds, and then start it off picking 12th or 15th. That would be pure lunacy!

- jd250



Try to think with critical thinking skills. Why would tk agent say anything to Bundy about tk negotiations? ESPECIALLY knowing Bundy personally (his former agent) AND knowing Bundy is on a podcast. Why would he risk alienating his paying current client who can fire his ass (tk) and he wouldn’t make the commission on the soon to be deal for tk?

Why would he do that. Here’s the answer. He wouldn’t. No real agent would.


Here’s what most likely happened Bundy tries to put 2 and 2 together and just says poop he thinks may be true. Sort of like Hayes having cutter ear and telling him to get out of philly or agreeing with that theory. Bundy while entertaining is mostly full of crap doesn’t have the inside scoop.

Oh and do you notice he’s always talking to Danny. Trust me Danny this Danny that.

Again why would db talk to Bundy knowing he has a podcast and a big mouth? Make ZERO SENSE.

THATS CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS


Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 7 @ 12:31 PM ET
- so then you haven't heard squat, you are just repeating what pretty much most have already read/listened too.

- love how the plan is no the 2025 draft. good stuff.

- tk is getting 8 years. accept it, get over it, and move on.

- hello it's me 2050

Yep. Been saying jd50 is the 90% of flyers fanbase. Low iq no critical thinking skills.
Sucking every drop of jism team says and these so called insiders that defend team.


Never mind thinking what’s said and what’s actually done.


Status quo
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 7 @ 12:33 PM ET
- so then you haven't heard squat, you are just repeating what pretty much most have already read/listened too.

- love how the plan is no the 2025 draft. good stuff.

- tk is getting 8 years. accept it, get over it, and move on.

- hello it's me 2050



You notice jd spewing what Bundy and asf said on latest stg podcast. Even citing it for proof.

Yet doesn’t even mention how Russ was absolutely cooking asf exactly how we cook jd on this board about just how stupid he is and flyers are.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Jul 7 @ 12:38 PM ET
You notice jd spewing what Bundy and asf said on latest stg podcast. Even citing it for proof.

Yet doesn’t even mention how Russ was absolutely cooking asf exactly how we cook jd on this board about just how stupid he is and flyers are.

- Stayin alive


you seem upset
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 7 @ 12:38 PM ET
No one on this board knows what is being offered to DB, for people to say he over valuing his players, please show me the proof.

It is DBs job to get the max back in trades, not to just to just accept what a team offers.

- WhiskeyMan


You may not consider this "proof", but if definitely shows he is overvaluing his players. At least overvaluing Laughton.


https://www.phillyvoice.c...e-culture-leadership-nhl/

There was interest, a lot of it, general manager Danny Brière said from down in Tampa afterward, but nothing compelling enough to make a deal. "Fair value" wasn't going to cut it, Brière said, because for everything Laughton has brought to the Flyers, especially in the past two years as the organization set out on its rebuild, he means a whole lot more than that.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 7 @ 12:38 PM ET
Why? Teams are more desperate at the deadline.

Also next draft is a deep draft

- WhiskeyMan

Who gives a flying squirrels poop. He had fair offer for laughts. He admitted it. Did he trade him? No.

Surely he had fair trade offers for others too. Did he trade them? Nope.


He’s not trading any significant pieces to actually build a winner. 100% guaranteed.


And as far as the draft make no mistake they won’t be picking top 5 where likely the really high end or elite talent is. If they start slow you might even see them trade one of those picks for player to try to win. It’s a retool. Need to try to make playoffs. Keep that culture growing. It’s THEIR next step.

And as far as the tk contract I hope he holds out. Db can say what he wants. Tk AND his agent KNOW he will cave as it gets nearer to the end. If not sooner.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 7 @ 12:41 PM ET
You may not consider this "proof", but if definitely shows he is overvaluing his players. At least overvaluing Laughton.


https://www.phillyvoice.c...e-culture-leadership-nhl/

- MBFlyerfan



EXACTLY
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 7 @ 12:50 PM ET
you seem upset
- anti-lame



Yeah because Philly by far (from what I’ve seen) and I’ve been to many cities for games and such has the dumbest blind faith believe the bs drink the kool aid of any fanbase sports wide in the world.


I mean who the (frank) sucks off a world champion group of players as your current persona from 50 years in the past like flyers do?

Broad street bullies. Culture. Way we do things. Be a flyer. If you don’t want to be here we don’t want you. Etc etc etc.


Sadly all it would take is a real gm and front office to come in and tell everyone to go (frank) themselves and do things like every other team does. Chi/sj/ana most recently. And countless teams in recent past. And countless teams in near future surely will do but no we can’t do that.

We have 90% idiot fans that can see just how bad this team (frank)s them and just keeps spending their money supporting them.

Like I’ve said recently in past I both laugh and want to vomit everytime I watch game and see these idiot fans cheering for a goal in a close game. As it (frank)s our draft position.

They supposedly had demigod and Richardinson as top targets in draft had they not won just a couple of useless games they would’ve had one of them but no
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jul 7 @ 12:50 PM ET
It’s hard to believe GMs aren’t lining up for the opportunity to overpay for Flyer’s players.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jul 7 @ 1:22 PM ET
You may not consider this "proof", but if definitely shows he is overvaluing his players. At least overvaluing Laughton.


https://www.phillyvoice.c...e-culture-leadership-nhl/

- MBFlyerfan


Until I hear it directly from DBs mouth, the article means nothing.


Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Jul 7 @ 1:47 PM ET
This made me laugh

Zamula, 24 (3/30/2000), totaled 21 points (5g-16a) in 66 regular season games with the Flyers this past season (2023-24). He led Flyers defenseman in power-play goals (2) and ranked third in goals, assists and points.

He led the D with a whopping 2 PP goals
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 7 @ 1:50 PM ET
- so then you haven't heard squat, you are just repeating what pretty much most have already read/listened too.

- love how the plan is no the 2025 draft. good stuff.

- tk is getting 8 years. accept it, get over it, and move on.

- hello it's me 2050

If TK gets 8 years I will have no choice to accept it, all I am saying is if I were GM I would hold firm on 6 years at $8.25M and if that offer was not accepted I would trade him now if there was a good offer for him or at the deadline.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 7 @ 1:55 PM ET
You notice jd spewing what Bundy and asf said on latest stg podcast. Even citing it for proof.

Yet doesn’t even mention how Russ was absolutely cooking asf exactly how we cook jd on this board about just how stupid he is and flyers are.

- Stayin alive

this is not a fair comment. He asked where I heard the update on TK's contract and I told him. I think in this case Bundy is a reputable source given he shares the same agent and apparently spoke to the agent about the TK contract.

But, I also 100% agreed with Russ's take in the pod cast, and I was saying the same things right before he went off on Bundy and Sam to my son who I was listening with while driving. Russ essentially said the same thing I have been saying, that is, if the Flyers go into the next draft picking 12th they are doomed and this would be an epic rebuild failure. He sited the same reasons that I have sited multiple times over the past two weeks on this very forum, that teams in the top 10 are valueing their picks, expecially in a deep draft like 2025 is expected to be, and thus are not trading them. The Flyers need to trade veterans to assure they are in the top 10, preferably in the top 5 of this draft. They have clearly put all their eggs into the 2025 draft, now they need to commit completely and follow through.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 7 @ 1:57 PM ET
Seeler…..check

Laughton…..check


Hathaway……double check


2024-24 flyers……engage
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 7 @ 2:00 PM ET
Yep. Been saying jd50 is the 90% of flyers fanbase. Low iq no critical thinking skills.
Sucking every drop of jism team says and these so called insiders that defend team.


Never mind thinking what’s said and what’s actually done.


Status quo

- Stayin alive

That's right, we all should be like you, educated and informed .. and conclude without a doubt that no matter what the Flyers do it has to be wrong and they are doomed to fail. 1975, 1975, 1975 .... it will never change, same ol' same ol', blah blah blah!

Go take your lunacy someplace else, we're all stocked up here!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 2:02 PM ET
This made me laugh

Zamula, 24 (3/30/2000), totaled 21 points (5g-16a) in 66 regular season games with the Flyers this past season (2023-24). He led Flyers defenseman in power-play goals (2) and ranked third in goals, assists and points.

He led the D with a whopping 2 PP goals

- Bob Habib


To put in perspective, the most any defenseman scored is 9 and only 23 defenseman scored more than 2.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 7 @ 2:05 PM ET
Try to think with critical thinking skills. Why would tk agent say anything to Bundy about tk negotiations? ESPECIALLY knowing Bundy personally (his former agent) AND knowing Bundy is on a podcast. Why would he risk alienating his paying current client who can fire his ass (tk) and he wouldn’t make the commission on the soon to be deal for tk?

Why would he do that. Here’s the answer. He wouldn’t. No real agent would.


Here’s what most likely happened Bundy tries to put 2 and 2 together and just says poop he thinks may be true. Sort of like Hayes having cutter ear and telling him to get out of philly or agreeing with that theory. Bundy while entertaining is mostly full of crap doesn’t have the inside scoop.

Oh and do you notice he’s always talking to Danny. Trust me Danny this Danny that.

Again why would db talk to Bundy knowing he has a podcast and a big mouth? Make ZERO SENSE.

THATS CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS

- Stayin alive

Why don't you try and think for a moment. What do most agents do when they expect a hard negotiation? they negotiate through the media in an attempt to rile up the fanbase and put pressure on the GM to appease the fanbase and accept a contract that they know is not good for the team. That is what agents do. I'm surprised a person of your knowledge and intellect would not know this.

Breire hinted as much in his post draft presser when asked about TK, where he stated he would NOT negotiate via the media. The TK camp has deliberately spoken to the media a few times already, first stating they are look for $10M a year for 8 years and now through Bundy that they are willing to take this to the end. I agree that Bundy most of the time is full of it, the Quitter situation is an example, thought Bundy was just reacting to the Anthony San Fillippo's report. But in this case where he shares an agent and given how this agent operates, I think its reputable.

See, now you know what CRITICAL THINKING really is. Have a nice day!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 2:06 PM ET
That's right, we all should be like you, educated and informed .. and conclude without a doubt that no matter what the Flyers do it has to be wrong and they are doomed to fail. 1975, 1975, 1975 .... it will never change, same ol' same ol', blah blah blah!

Go take your lunacy someplace else, we're all stocked up here!

- jd250


A good place for you to start is to not be so easily manipulated by what you hear in the media. Your opinion changes by the day depending on what you read or what you listened to. Bundy is not a good source. One minute he's ripping the Flyers and then he's hired and he's a suck up again.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 7 @ 2:11 PM ET
Until I hear it directly from DBs mouth, the article means nothing.
- WhiskeyMan



Do you think the article just made it up?








jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 7 @ 2:24 PM ET
True…. We also don’t know if he’s actually willing to or trying to trade anyone. All we know is that the Flyers have done nothing since the end of their season that suggests we are in a rebuild.
- landros 2

6 picks in the first two rounds of the 2025 draft and no serious free agent signing is not proof they are in a rebuild? Trading Sean Walker at the deadline for a 1st round pick when the team with him would have made the playoffs, is not proof of a rebuild?

Now if you tell me the Flyers don't seem to be completely committed to a rebuild given they have not moved out more players, I agree with you. That is why to me I am judging Briere on what he does the rest of this off season and at the deadline. If he does not do whatever he can to assure that this team is picking in the top 10, perferably in the top 5, I will have lost faith in him and will no longer support his plan. Torts can still coach to win every game and the players should be exepcted to play as hard as they can, but in the end the Flyers will not win many games because they simply will not have the horses, because Briere will trade as many veteran horses as he can. That is how it has to be IMO.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 7 @ 2:28 PM ET
Until I hear it directly from DBs mouth, the article means nothing.
- WhiskeyMan

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