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Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 7 @ 2:29 PM ET
This made me laugh

Zamula, 24 (3/30/2000), totaled 21 points (5g-16a) in 66 regular season games with the Flyers this past season (2023-24). He led Flyers defenseman in power-play goals (2) and ranked third in goals, assists and points.

He led the D with a whopping 2 PP goals

- Bob Habib



#passesonzeev
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 7 @ 2:31 PM ET
A good place for you to start is to not be so easily manipulated by what you hear in the media. Your opinion changes by the day depending on what you read or what you listened to. Bundy is not a good source. One minute he's ripping the Flyers and then he's hired and he's a suck up again.
- MJL

I like to read and listen to reports and opinions about the Flyers. I then formulate my own opinions based on the available facts. Sometimes I agree with what I hear, lfor example what Russ was saying in the latest Snow the Goalie podcast, and a lot of times I don't agree. I think Bundy is entertaining and typically I don't take anything he says seriously, but in this case he sited a source and someone he is close with. I think that is reputable. Also it is consistent with other reports I have read aobut the TK contract situation. So that is all this is. I listen to about 5 podcasts about the Flyers since I drive a lot and have nothing else to do in that time, and read articles and opinions when I can. I don't see anything wrong with this. I am open to opinions and open to changing what I think based on what I judge as factual.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 7 @ 2:31 PM ET
It’s hard to believe GMs aren’t lining up for the opportunity to overpay for Flyer’s players.
- Dkos


Yea especially with other teams dumping competent nhl players on other teams and paying a draft pick to do it.

And we wonder why Laughton is still here. GM’s laughing as they hang up the phone
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 7 @ 2:56 PM ET
This made me laugh

Zamula, 24 (3/30/2000), totaled 21 points (5g-16a) in 66 regular season games with the Flyers this past season (2023-24). He led Flyers defenseman in power-play goals (2) and ranked third in goals, assists and points.

He led the D with a whopping 2 PP goals

- Bob Habib



So the same amount as Miro Heiskanen, Zach Werenski, Josh Morrisey, and Erik Karlsson? Hilarious
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jul 7 @ 2:57 PM ET
6 picks in the first two rounds of the 2025 draft and no serious free agent signing is not proof they are in a rebuild? Trading Sean Walker at the deadline for a 1st round pick when the team with him would have made the playoffs, is not proof of a rebuild?

Now if you tell me the Flyers don't seem to be completely committed to a rebuild given they have not moved out more players, I agree with you. That is why to me I am judging Briere on what he does the rest of this off season and at the deadline. If he does not do whatever he can to assure that this team is picking in the top 10, perferably in the top 5, I will have lost faith in him and will no longer support his plan. Torts can still coach to win every game and the players should be exepcted to play as hard as they can, but in the end the Flyers will not win many games because they simply will not have the horses, because Briere will trade as many veteran horses as he can. That is how it has to be IMO.

- jd250

No … 6 picks does not constitute a rebuild in of itself. They did not trade Walker for a 1rst rnd pick… they took back 4 million on a horrid dead money contract… context matters.
I’m not hoping for a failure at all… I simply have said if this is all there is to his rebuild then it’s a pathetic plan. I don’t really believe that though… I simply don’t believe it’s a rebuild…it resembles more of what Hextall attempted. We have to hope his ability to draft works out better especially at the top of the drafts.

Edit: Hextall had a better core to start with.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jul 7 @ 3:14 PM ET
Do you think the article just made it up?







- MBFlyerfan

Oh no…
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Jul 7 @ 3:15 PM ET
So the same amount as Miro Heiskanen, Zach Werenski, Josh Morrisey, and Erik Karlsson? Hilarious
- MBFlyerfan


is 2 goals good?



MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 3:16 PM ET
I like to read and listen to reports and opinions about the Flyers. I then formulate my own opinions based on the available facts. Sometimes I agree with what I hear, lfor example what Russ was saying in the latest Snow the Goalie podcast, and a lot of times I don't agree. I think Bundy is entertaining and typically I don't take anything he says seriously, but in this case he sited a source and someone he is close with. I think that is reputable. Also it is consistent with other reports I have read aobut the TK contract situation. So that is all this is. I listen to about 5 podcasts about the Flyers since I drive a lot and have nothing else to do in that time, and read articles and opinions when I can. I don't see anything wrong with this. I am open to opinions and open to changing what I think based on what I judge as factual.
- jd250


You don't form your own opinion, you just parrot what you hear. Today you heard this, so that's your opinion today. Tomorrow you'll hear something different so that will be your opinion tomorrow.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jul 7 @ 3:16 PM ET
is 2 goals good?
- anti-lame


In one game two pp goals by your d man is very good.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Jul 7 @ 3:18 PM ET
Horvat and TK have the same agent. Either the Flyers get rolled and TK gets 8 yrs over 8.5 million/yr or he is getting traded before training camp.

Horvat signed his extension with the Isles in Feb. '23- 8 yrs @ 8.5 million/yr. He got traded to the Isles in January after contract negotiations broke down with VAN.

I find it highly unlikely TK accepts less then his cousin considering the rise in the cap. I do believe if the TK extension is not done in the next 2 weeks, he will not get his extension with the Flyers. These negotiations have certainly been going on for awhile.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 7 @ 3:23 PM ET
is 2 goals good?
- anti-lame



Top 25 in the league so it must be.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 3:48 PM ET
Horvat and TK have the same agent. Either the Flyers get rolled and TK gets 8 yrs over 8.5 million/yr or he is getting traded before training camp.

Horvat signed his extension with the Isles in Feb. '23- 8 yrs @ 8.5 million/yr. He got traded to the Isles in January after contract negotiations broke down with VAN.

I find it highly unlikely TK accepts less then his cousin considering the rise in the cap. I do believe if the TK extension is not done in the next 2 weeks, he will not get his extension with the Flyers. These negotiations have certainly been going on for awhile.

- Trox88


He was just eligible to be re-signed 6 days ago. I'm sure they had preliminary talks but serious negotiations have probably just gotten going. Briere and his staff were likely focused on scouting and the draft since the season ended. I don't agree with the 2 week artificial deadline.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 7 @ 3:48 PM ET
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Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jul 7 @ 3:49 PM ET
6 picks in the first two rounds of the 2025 draft and no serious free agent signing is not proof they are in a rebuild? Trading Sean Walker at the deadline for a 1st round pick when the team with him would have made the playoffs, is not proof of a rebuild?

Now if you tell me the Flyers don't seem to be completely committed to a rebuild given they have not moved out more players, I agree with you. That is why to me I am judging Briere on what he does the rest of this off season and at the deadline. If he does not do whatever he can to assure that this team is picking in the top 10, perferably in the top 5, I will have lost faith in him and will no longer support his plan. Torts can still coach to win every game and the players should be exepcted to play as hard as they can, but in the end the Flyers will not win many games because they simply will not have the horses, because Briere will trade as many veteran horses as he can. That is how it has to be IMO.

- jd250


First sentence, second paragraph… so as it stands today you agree this is not a rebuild?
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 7 @ 6:39 PM ET
That's right, we all should be like you, educated and informed .. and conclude without a doubt that no matter what the Flyers do it has to be wrong and they are doomed to fail. 1975, 1975, 1975 .... it will never change, same ol' same ol', blah blah blah!

Go take your lunacy someplace else, we're all stocked up here!

- jd250

Ummm that’s exactly right. 1975 and counting. They will NEVER win another cup as long as they continue with the status quo philosophy
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 7 @ 6:51 PM ET
I like to read and listen to reports and opinions about the Flyers. I then formulate my own opinions based on the available facts. Sometimes I agree with what I hear, lfor example what Russ was saying in the latest Snow the Goalie podcast, and a lot of times I don't agree. I think Bundy is entertaining and typically I don't take anything he says seriously, but in this case he sited a source and someone he is close with. I think that is reputable. Also it is consistent with other reports I have read aobut the TK contract situation. So that is all this is. I listen to about 5 podcasts about the Flyers since I drive a lot and have nothing else to do in that time, and read articles and opinions when I can. I don't see anything wrong with this. I am open to opinions and open to changing what I think based on what I judge as factual.
- jd250



Dude you don’t form your own opinion. I listen to the same podcast you do. I can spot from a mile away who and where you are citing from. Charlie/bundy/asf etc etc etc. you use what they say as a basis of fact. Every single time. Read your first sentence above. You read and listen to these tools and form your conclusions ON THEIR FACTS THAT YOU ARE LISTENING TO AND READING.

You are NOT seeking info and forming your opinion because you can’t use critical thinking skills to decipher what is fact or opinion or what makes sense of what you see compared to what is said.


Look above at your statement. You BELIEVE Bundy because he said he had same agent when he played. Is that credible? I already layed out why no agent would tell a big mouth like Bundy squat. And just so you know Charlie is a mouthpiece for the flyers. Sure he can critique a little in his podcast but he needs to toe the line. Same as bill same as anyone receiving $$$ from the team.

What you need to learn is how to question things. As in everything that is said. Really look to see if it jives with what you see. Post after post from almost everyone on here tells you they don’t see done what is or was said to be the plan.


Post after post from multiple people saying the fans are smucks to believe them. Why is that? Are we all wrong and you right? Well 1975 and counting and any quick glance around the league shows Philly is literally the only team that is trying to build this way. And that’s why they are the laughingstock of the league.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 7 @ 7:07 PM ET
Why don't you try and think for a moment. What do most agents do when they expect a hard negotiation? they negotiate through the media in an attempt to rile up the fanbase and put pressure on the GM to appease the fanbase and accept a contract that they know is not good for the team. That is what agents do. I'm surprised a person of your knowledge and intellect would not know this.

Breire hinted as much in his post draft presser when asked about TK, where he stated he would NOT negotiate via the media. The TK camp has deliberately spoken to the media a few times already, first stating they are look for $10M a year for 8 years and now through Bundy that they are willing to take this to the end. I agree that Bundy most of the time is full of it, the Quitter situation is an example, thought Bundy was just reacting to the Anthony San Fillippo's report. But in this case where he shares an agent and given how this agent operates, I think its reputable.

See, now you know what CRITICAL THINKING really is. Have a nice day!

- jd250

Show me once. Just one time where tk or his agent publicly stated there demands in numbers. You won’t find it. Because they would never ever ever ever ever ever do that.

Again as usual because you suckle to the teet you take what is REPORTED and GUESSED by people in media on what they THINK the negotiation prices are at.

So you THINK because you read or hear reports from people saying tk wants 10 mil for example that it’s fact. It isn’t.
Again show me one clip or direct quote from ANYONE claiming tk or his agent directly declared his demands.

The truth is almost always somewhere in the middle. Yes you can take an educated guess at what you believe is most likely outcome of some things when you have to try to take info and form an opinion but you are going to be wrong almost always when you are forming that opinion based on things you THINK are fact from media members.

You can turn YouTube on and watch literally 100 Charlie’s and bills and asf and Bundy guessing at what they think to be true.


What you always fail to do is take info you are getting and compare it to what you actually see as the real outcome.

You’re so far gone you can’t even distinguish what is fact or what is opinion within a sentence. Here I’ll give an example:
When Bundy says he talks to Danny and trust me he’s doing a rebuild because xyz the fact may be that he talks to Danny. The opinion is he’s doing rebuild because of xyz that he says. Like when Bundy said trading walker was sign Danny is rebuilding.


See you take everything as fact. No critical thinking skills.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 7 @ 7:17 PM ET
6 picks in the first two rounds of the 2025 draft and no serious free agent signing is not proof they are in a rebuild? Trading Sean Walker at the deadline for a 1st round pick when the team with him would have made the playoffs, is not proof of a rebuild?

Now if you tell me the Flyers don't seem to be completely committed to a rebuild given they have not moved out more players, I agree with you. That is why to me I am judging Briere on what he does the rest of this off season and at the deadline. If he does not do whatever he can to assure that this team is picking in the top 10, perferably in the top 5, I will have lost faith in him and will no longer support his plan. Torts can still coach to win every game and the players should be exepcted to play as hard as they can, but in the end the Flyers will not win many games because they simply will not have the horses, because Briere will trade as many veteran horses as he can. That is how it has to be IMO.

- jd250

The whole first paragraph you lifted as the narrative that was jizzed on you. Hook line sinker. The basis for you thinking it is or was ever a rebuild. The reality of what everyone sees if no trading walker is not a sign of rebuild. Nor are 6 draft picks. Just amazing no matter how many people tell you this you can’t learn to adapt thinking skills.

Just continues to take it in tha anal cavity prison style and never learns.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 7 @ 7:31 PM ET
I like to read and listen to reports and opinions about the Flyers. I then formulate my own opinions based on the available facts. Sometimes I agree with what I hear, lfor example what Russ was saying in the latest Snow the Goalie podcast, and a lot of times I don't agree. I think Bundy is entertaining and typically I don't take anything he says seriously, but in this case he sited a source and someone he is close with. I think that is reputable. Also it is consistent with other reports I have read aobut the TK contract situation. So that is all this is. I listen to about 5 podcasts about the Flyers since I drive a lot and have nothing else to do in that time, and read articles and opinions when I can. I don't see anything wrong with this. I am open to opinions and open to changing what I think based on what I judge as factual.
- jd250


“I am open to opinions and open to changing what I think BASED on what I JUDGE as FACTUAL”

That last sentence tells it all. Especially what you judge as factual. Nowhere in there do you say or even think what do you see. What is said and what are done are often different. You said you have a son. How old? If he TELLS you something do you take it as factual? Or give benefit of doubt even if what you see is different?

Here a scenario that would play out in your household showing how you take info and form your opinions as factual.
Your son comes home stumbling through the door. Slurred speech. Can barely take his shoes off without falling over. You ask him if he’s been drinking? He tells you no. I’ve had a drink dad I’m only 15 years old. Where would I even get alcohol. You ol lady pipes in jd you know he doesn’t drink. Why would you ask him that. You know he’s never taken a sip. You other child pipes in hey I’ve never seen him drink? Your parents are over visiting and they say to you I can’t believe your son would drink. It can’t be true.


Here you have all this info to process and multiple sources are telling you to accept what your son says
So being that you listen to all these people and never compare it to what you actual see literally right in front of your face you decide he hasn’t been drinking and believe your son.


While any sane person on the outside is telling you that mofo is drunk
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