I am curious if trading I Phillips straight up for essentially the sign and deal for either Broberg or Holloway would be a worthwhile trade

Edmonton probably has to make a trade and or assign a players or two to AHL

Edmonton could give Ceci away and substitute Broberg who would probably ask for $2.5 - $4 mill./season

Presently both Broberg and Holloway cannot be offered sheeter and Edmonton is in a bad spot now bring over the salary cap

I didn't check what side defense . Broberg plays

So he was supposed to be a Richard with a bad moustache?

I think he basically is that player you describe if he's not hurt and you put half way decent players around him. I thought I read that they were planning on him playing center this year as long as he is healthy. His biggest issue, I think, is that he can't stay on the ice.

I was fine with the pick at the time as well. he was injured a lot and not put into the best situation, so here is where he is.
- Chunk

I think Hawks fans who are on a hockey message board in July have gone to school on your above bolded. We've seen our share of prospects not hit/pop and we'll now apply that knowledge to how KD and Crew handles this new big batch of prospects that will be coming for at least 3-4 yrs.

I'm rooting for Dach. He's in a good spot now surrounded by good players. It's up to him now to make it work.

I am curious if trading I Phillips straight up for essentially the sign and deal for either Broberg or Holloway would be a worthwhile trade

Edmonton probably has to make a trade and or assign a players or two to AHL

Edmonton could give Ceci away and substitute Broberg who would probably ask for $2.5 - $4 mill./season

Presently both Broberg and Holloway cannot be offered sheeter and Edmonton is in a bad spot now bring over the salary cap

I didn't check what side defense . Broberg plays
- jhawk59

J, EDM isn't moving a Broberg or Holloway any time soon and especially for a Phillips. Both those players are 1st rd picks and have shown well in the NHL. .. Phillips is a 4th or 5th rd pick and hasn't shown he'll be an NHLer in his 50 games in it.

EDM needs kids like that to produce while on entry level and RFA contracts.

I am curious if trading I Phillips straight up for essentially the sign and deal for either Broberg or Holloway would be a worthwhile trade

Edmonton probably has to make a trade and or assign a players or two to AHL

Edmonton could give Ceci away and substitute Broberg who would probably ask for $2.5 - $4 mill./season

Presently both Broberg and Holloway cannot be offered sheeter and Edmonton is in a bad spot now bring over the salary cap

I didn't check what side defense . Broberg plays
- jhawk59

I am sure the Oilers have a plan, or they wouldn't of signed Henrique, Arvidsson and Skinner. My guess is E. Kane is on his way out along with Ceci.

From the interview I'm thinking unless Korchinski shows something in preseason he's going to Rockford.

I am sure the Oilers have a plan, or they wouldn't of signed Henrique, Arvidsson and Skinner. My guess is E. Kane is on his way out along with Ceci.
- LAHawk

I was thinking the exact same thing.

From the interview I'm thinking unless Korchinski shows something in preseason he's going to Rockford.
- BetweenTheDots

Same goes for all the kids except Vlasic. I'm sure they have a bit of a bias toward KK, but considering there wasn't any other option for him aside from going back to jrs, I think they wanted him to just play as many minutes with the big team as possible to give him the experience. It really sounds like he's dialed into improving himself and the reports are that he takes coaching well and can translate the teaching to the ice. Also, playing with a better partner couldn't hurt.

J, EDM isn't moving a Broberg or Holloway any time soon and especially for a Phillips. Both those players are 1st rd picks and have shown well in the NHL. .. Phillips is a 4th or 5th rd pick and hasn't shown he'll be an NHLer in his 50 games in it.

EDM needs kids like that to produce while on entry level and RFA contracts.
- Mr Ricochet

Could EDM use EdM?

Maybe the question is "where should he be?". Found this on Dobber:

https://dobberprospects.c...ect-deep-dive-kirby-dach/

Good skater, but takes a little while to change directions. Good shot, but needs to use it more. Inconsistent defensively (despite being labeled a two-way center), Good passer based more on IQ than any unreal passing ability.

I kinda lean towards Fatty's description that he's a good complimentary piece, but not one to drag you to success. I think 22-23 is about what you expect from him if healthy. About a 55 point pace, and should be a bit better defensively.

Not for nothing, but I think if he can replicate what he did last year the Hawks have a shorter version of the same guy in Kurashev - and you might get Shev at a lower overall cost since he is more wing than center.
- Chunk

Yeah not a bad player (k Dach) but not a get you excited player either. Thats the only point I'm making.

Sure his development was derailed. But I just don't think the ceiling was there from the start. Just not the dominating power forward type.

I think it is easy to get enamored with the toolset and potential but when the kid didn't really show any attempts to rag doll the smaller players in junior - I dunno, man. Maybe if he had another year he'd go out and just crush people but he just never struck me as that kind of red ass.

He's finally listed at over 210lbs so maybe while rehabbing his knee he got a little lead in his ass and he gets knocked down less and can lower his shoulder and get to the net.

Montreal should be interesting as a forward group in general next year if they can stay healthy.

Watching every shift season 2 episode 8, KD is not indecisive on who he's drafting. I hope he's right

The size of our scouting department is fantastic.

One of the scouts said that he doesn't think Levshunov even touched his full potential, not even close?

Another one said he looks like McAvoy when he scouted him at the same age

Fingers (frank)ing crossed

I've got a good feel about Spellacy. I give a lotta attention to anyone that might become a rare power forward in the Bigs, but Spellacy especially so....... Any kid who plays OHL, and does it well, with only 2 previous yrs of any hockey is really interesting.

Then the kid says he digs Tom Wilson and I gotta check myself.
- Mr Ricochet

I think he will be really interesting to watch the next few years. Lots of potential from an athletic perspective. If he learns how to think the game he'll be a fan fav here.

I am curious if trading I Phillips straight up for essentially the sign and deal for either Broberg or Holloway would be a worthwhile trade

Edmonton probably has to make a trade and or assign a players or two to AHL

Edmonton could give Ceci away and substitute Broberg who would probably ask for $2.5 - $4 mill./season

Presently both Broberg and Holloway cannot be offered sheeter and Edmonton is in a bad spot now bring over the salary cap

I didn't check what side defense . Broberg plays
- jhawk59

Broberg played both sides in the final and looked good. Nothing flashy but Nurse's play seemed to improve with him out there.

I am sure the Oilers have a plan, or they wouldn't of signed Henrique, Arvidsson and Skinner. My guess is E. Kane is on his way out along with Ceci.
- LAHawk

I’m not a gambler but I would feel 100% safe betting yes Edmonton has a plan and it includes not moving Broberg for sure and probably not Holloway. I would just put an asterisk next to my assertion about Holloway and only would he be moved if they were acquiring a better dman. I would move Nurse plus Holloway if someone pretty good defensively could be had. Actuaully I would trade Holloway only in that scenario. I prefer to move both Nurse and Ceci

ADD Edmonton needs at least one additional better dman and either Ceci and or Nurse should go. Yes Nurse did appear better in the very end in a pairing with Broberg. I would even take a draft choice for Nurse. As for Ceci separately even an older veteran who is better defensively than Ceci’s rating.

If they cannot get a quality dman for Nurse and Holloway, fine keep Holloway but dump Nurse and his salary. I would even give their first + Nurse for a second round.,,,,Edmonton needs to get cap compliant. Even should E Kane be moved they need to lower salary cap Given E Kane’s checkered history, they shouldn’t expect too much for him

I feel keeping both Nurse and E Kane is a luxury so good luck fitting one or both under the salary cap

Its cliche to say we got all the guys we wanted, but we did. We'll see if we are right but 3 years in a row....

It will be sweet if they are more right than wrong

Not sure if anyone mentioned it before, but Marcel Marcel signed another AHL contract.

Maybe playing with Savoie again will get him going?
- Chunk

Good to see Marcel² get one more chance. He needs a bunch of playing time and it will be hard to get with all the prospects at ROC. Might have to play a lot at Indy. Can't teach size, though, maybe he will break through.

I think Rinzel and Moore turn pro after this college season two college years seems to be where KD wants to be.
- rpeters01

I think this is correct. Even before the season ended I thought Rinzel took the biggest jump in the pipeline and IMO that was a surprise to the organIzation. I think they went in thinking it would take 3 yrs of NCAA for Rinzel but now think 2 will do it assuming he doesn't regress or stagnate.

And remember, he stayed in jrs the yr after he was drafted so he wasn't a true freshmen last yr. Next season will be his draft +3 yr.

I am sure the Oilers have a plan, or they wouldn't of signed Henrique, Arvidsson and Skinner. My guess is E. Kane is on his way out along with Ceci.
- LAHawk

I’m not a gambler but I would feel 100% safe betting yes Edmonton has a plan and it includes not moving Broberg for sure and probably not Holloway. I would just put an asterisk next to my assertion about Holloway and only would he be moved if they were acquiring a better dman. I would move Nurse plus Holloway if someone pretty good defensively could be had. Actuaully I would trade Holloway only in that scenario. I would move both Nurse and Ceci

Yes, if Demidov was the next Datysuk/Kane why did he fall to 5th?
- rpeters01

Better question is why was senneka picked over Demidov? Not disputing Demidov talent and skill there might be reasons why four teams passed on him and maybe there are not.

I wonder if they did a redraft today of the 2019 draft, if Vlasic would of been a top 10/15 pick? He definitely would of been a first rounder.
- LAHawk

Without refreshing myself on the 2019 draft, hell yea!... Mybe cuz he's a Hawk and doesn't put up big numbers IMO the kid is highly underrated by Hawk fans, even here at HB.

I feel safe saying there is not one NHL organIzation that would not want Vlasic and wouldn't slot him top 4 right now in most lineups. ..... And, IMO there is a lot more to Vlasic than where he's at in the process right now.

I have no idea where this team ends up, but I could see a 20-25 point improvement, which will make them more watchable. If the kids are better at season end than when they start the season, that’s a win. Was KK better at the end of last season than when the year started? I would say yes, he improved defensively. If he has a linear improvement curve this year, that will bode well for the Hawks. I do understand that development is not always linear, so we’ll see.
- Angotti

I see Hawks 65 to 70 points and my point for this Hall most likely gets hurt same with AA not going to get much scoring from the back end or bottom 6 figure imo 70 to 80 points total between the 6 towards. Time will tell plus Davidson is not done improving this team, see another trade coming before training camp starts.

Here's what is up on Lines.com by me:

Big-bodied centre-wing with a strong all-around game and a strong hockey IQ. A month older than Bedard, the Slovakia centre is a dynamic skater with terrific balance and acceleration, and will blow by defenders and make plays while in full flight. A big time shooter with a rocket of a wrister and pro release that we on display while he dominated Swedish Junior. Already has a good lower body core with room for muscle. For those thinking he is a consolation prize in the Bedard draft derby, it should be noted that he has been a dominant offensive player since he was 15 years of age, playing in men's senior leagues. Displays superb offensive instincts and already has lower body core strength with room for more muscle. He is equally adept as a playmaker and shooter, it might be his shooting that elevates his stature dues due to high excellent hand / eye co-ordination, and vision. He has a big time release attached to his one timer. Was buried on the 4th line in the World Junior U-20, but that doesn't disguise the fact that he can simply blow by defenders and make plays in full flight, and has off the charts offensive instincts. He might not have big time explosiveness but his stride still brings strong up-ice push. He runs the power play from the half wall and attacks with bullet passes through the box.

(You frightened me that I had someone else's profile in for him, but alas, no "he can fly" in mine.)
- wiz1901

Wiz are talking about Bosevert?

Could EDM use EdM?
- bjphawkfan

EDM has their top 4 in Bouchard, Ekholm, Nurse and Ceci with Broberg makes 5. Sure, EdM is a prospect most any team has room someone has room for in their pipeline.

But, alone he ain't bringing back too much.

I am sure the Oilers have a plan, or they wouldn't of signed Henrique, Arvidsson and Skinner. My guess is E. Kane is on his way out along with Ceci.
- LAHawk

That's the generally accepted theory right now. Kane and Ceci out. Broberg likely to pair with Nurse.

I think this is correct. Even before the season ended I thought Rinzel took the biggest jump in the pipeline and IMO that was a surprise to the organIzation. I think they went in thinking it would take 3 yrs of NCAA for Rinzel but now think 2 will do it assuming he doesn't regress or stagnate.

And remember, he stayed in jrs the yr after he was drafted so he wasn't a true freshmen last yr. Next season will be his draft +3 yr.
- Mr Ricochet

Rinzel went form looking like a teen age kid, to looking like a man in one College season. Will be good to see him grow into his frame.

He can skate for his size, looked fairly calm during world jrs, I know many including me didn't really like that pick at the time, but i have a good feeling about him, and he always seems to be forgotten in the system compared to all the other young defenders.

After listening to that presser by KD, i imagine the season will start out with
Vlasic S Jones
Murphy and Martinez
Brodie and Phillips
Crevier?

Given chances to make the team?

At the rock
Korchinski Levshunov
Del Mastro Allan
Kaiser ???