Trying to resurrect Bovquist, like the Panthers did OEL, Montour, Forsling, and Kulikov.
- LAHawk

Megna too!!!

Brodie dressed for 78 regular season games - producing 1G-25A offensively and a (+17) rating defensively. He averaged 22:00 TOI. Almost all of his ice time came at even strength and the penalty kill. He's not overly physical (41hits) but does get in the lane to block shots (159 shot blocks).
It's hard to put in words what happened to Brodie's game in the back end of the season. His detail wandered. His execution making plays with the puck was inconsistent. He simply struggled. His poor play kept him from earning a regular role in playoffs. Brodie only dressed for one game vs Boston.
2-way 'D' who's lost a step.
Expiring contract that earned him $5.0M last season. Pending UFA.

Doesn't appear much bette than Tinordi, Meygna, Zaitsev to me.
- LAHawk

Brodie’s game went sideways at the end of the season because he was averaging 22 minutes, 22 hard minutes, a game he was basically the only guy playing defensive hockey on the Leafs, bumping around the crease, fighting for loose pucks, blocking shots etc.. The Hawks don’t, or shouldn’t, need 22 minutes a game from him and if he’s gassed by the end of the season so what? He’s not there to win a cup, like he was with the Leafs, he’s in Chicago to mentor the younger guys, to show how to play defense and to show by example. And if he proves to be a bad signing it doesn’t matter in the short or long run. There was nothing wrong with this signing that I can see.

Isaac Phillips reminds me a lot of Gustav Forsling, young, good size, inexperienced, and most likely soon kicked to the curb. And in 5 years, he will play a prominent role on a contending team, and everyone here will be complaining about how management didn't give him enough time to develop and cut bait too soon.
- dahawks8819

Nooooooo.

Forsling actually looked good playing for Q and I believe it was on Q's recommendation that they pick him up off waivers in Florida. Positionally sound and a good passer but nothing to blow your skirt up. Wasn't then and isn't now a Duncan Keith comp and thats not a knock it's just the facts.

JC didn't like him for whatever reason so he got the boot.

The narrative that the Hawks didn't develop him properly and that if they would have just kept more people in rockford longer or been more patient they would have been able to reload with ten guys which isn't really true.

The last group was pretty bad at drafting defenders. Stan had his type and he didn't pick that type well.

The biggest detriments to Dach's career (other than the recent knee operation) was getting loaned to the world junior team and breaking his wrist there. Sure injuries can happen anywhere but when you're an NHL player you probably shouldn't be playing in children's tournaments anymore.

The last front office group was also abhorrent at professional scouting. Losing more than one Saad trade, Rundblad a few times, adding Ladd, Fleischmann and Weisse when they were all cooked was another very bad decision. Packaging TT with Bickell because they couldn't figure out what was wrong with him and they gave him stupid money was another oops.

Ian Mitchell isn't on a two way deal because of lack of marination. And Boqvist didn't get released because the hawks broke him - more a combination of a lot of concussions, injuries and not being good in his own end - which most people who were looking at that draft could have told you.

Kaiser and Allen look like they project better (than Philips). Maybe EDM. There's one spot on the left side.

With Jones and big Arty - there's one spot going to be on the right side and Rinzel is probably going to get the first shot.

They should probably get futures for some of these guys that in all likelihood aren't going to be Hawks regardless of what success they may have elsewhere or just be realistic that theyre rockford fodder who can spot 2 or 3 games every now and then but if they play 10 its probably not a good thing.

edit: and yes I'm saying, especially towards the end of the tenure, that Stan and his group were very bad at making positive decisions.

Brodie’s game went sideways at the end of the season because he was averaging 22 minutes, 22 hard minutes, a game he was basically the only guy playing defensive hockey on the Leafs, bumping around the crease, fighting for loose pucks, blocking shots etc.. The Hawks don’t, or shouldn’t, need 22 minutes a game from him and if he’s gassed by the end of the season so what? He’s not there to win a cup, like he was with the Leafs, he’s in Chicago to mentor the younger guys, to show how to play defense and to show by example. And if he proves to be a bad signing it doesn’t matter in the short or long run. There was nothing wrong with this signing that I can see.
- paulr

I thought that is why they signed Martinez for one year? Unless they are planning on giving KK some AHL time.

Wow. Boqvist to the Panthers.
- Chunk

Something tells me they might not repeat.

I do have a question, is Brodie better than Tinordi, Megna, Zaitsev?
- BetweenTheDots

Yes

I thought so as well. Hopefully he has some gas left in the tank. I like the move because it allows Levshunov to develop in the Rock without having a Tinordi, Megna, Zaitsev playing with Korchinski or Kaiser or maybe another surprise in camp.

I also believe this move if Murphy is healthy will take some hard minutes off of S Jones plate on the PK.
- BetweenTheDots

I think we need to get an odds table rolling for who plays more NHL games this season Murphy or big Arty.

I thought that is why they signed Martinez for one year? Unless they are planning on giving KK some AHL time.
- LAHawk

I suspect KK will wind up in Rockford with some NHL stints. While he did progress last season, especially defensively, he was pretty weak in a number of areas. He had allot of trouble physically, he was pretty timid giving up access to the puck instead of pursuing it. He also didn’t distinguish himself offensively, although allot of that can be attributed to poor teammates. Korchinski still has allot to learn and the things he needs to work on should be worked on in the AHL. Hopefully he comes to camp bigger than the scrawny kid he was last year. And if KK is on the Hawk roster and Brodie has to sit now and again it’s not a big deal in any way. I don’t see your concern about the Brodie signing whatsoever.

I thought that is why they signed Martinez for one year? Unless they are planning on giving KK some AHL time.
- LAHawk

Usually need about 10 defensemen to get through the season.

Jones, Vlasic, Murphy, Brodie, Martinez, KK, Kaiser, Phillips, EDM, Allan. The ice time will sort itself out throughout the year.

Edit - Forgot Lev. He probably gets a few games too.

Something tells me they might not repeat.
- breadbag

Florida probably won't repeat, but not because Boqvist is playing. Those guys have te be gassed for playing so much the last 2 seasons. They gave it their all the last 2 playoff runs, won the Cup, and undoubtedly will have a let down.

Games played the last 2 seasons including playoffs -
Barkhov -186
Tkachuk - 203
Reinhart - 209
Verhegee - 202
Forsling - 206

I think KK and Levshunov in Rockford will be the most fascinating storyline to follow for a myriad of reasons, but personally speaking I don't see them being a pair at the NHL level.
Let KK and Arty play together on the PP.

- TommyHawk

Korchinski needs to work on his defnsive side, but there is no doubtingh his stride and ability to pass the puck, and even start more ventures as an attcker down deep.
Before a young hockey player under contract starts abandoning his position to attack, he has to feel he has the green light and that the four other guys know where he is and respond in transition.
My initial suggestion of Arty as his partner is one based on teh fact that they would be acting as the future first pairing at even strength.

The reality is Arty is big, fluid and stands up very well to contact and be is a bigger man now and probably always.
Korchinski was a gamble; climbed the draft lists even though eveyone knew he would need time, but his strengths and size made that risk feasible for a team to take him early in the draft.
Arty come far more equip with a package that will transition quickly...and I realize that keeping KK in Chicago over juniors was a much better benefit to his growth, and I am positive it was. a good one.
Arty is like a soapstone & granite, needs time in all phases, but he isn't going to disappoint as a defender in Rockford.
And Korchinski will not be in Chicago if he has shown not a large growth in his end from last year.
But let's not think that having two fluid big defenseman together if they can be a strength defensively and both has the right stuff to get looks for their team.
I think they are perfect partners in Rockford.
It is not as if the pros signed on the back end cannot provide offense until the kids are regulars.

Joking aside, KK was afforded a luxury NHL rookie year, where there was no " winning a spot involved. Like the Balckhawks I can make excuses of backline injuries that help force him onto the ice at times after the THOUGHT he was gonna share more press box and less ice.
Korchinski is a hockey player but ther eis really no guarantee he is a bonafided NHL impact player, even if you want to give his defensive zone side more benefit of teh doubt.
Arty wasn't selected becasue he is shy on the sheet, or lacking the wherewith all to defend.
I just see how both together in Rockford, while the Blackhawks are still NO GOOD (what I looked at the schedule, 28 wins?) is not a detriment...KK may not like it.

Calgary's former golden boy T.J. Brodie, who always gave announcer Dale Tallon a chubby was alwasy viewed as a KK type who could handle his end and add offense.
he easily slides in as a PP guy if KK takes his 16 nhl points to the minors. Brodie had no pp points last season, more points behind the Matthews entourage.

I guess my point is having Toews to play with Makar works well, right?

I think Kaiser will stay in Chicago; he is not the biggest guy, but quick, smart and probably more NHL ready than the farm guys. Phillips , Crevier, Allan will get "emergency call ups.

Del Mastro - Allan
Korchinski - Levshunov
Phillips - Crevier
So maybe they add a giant Providence college but I see those 6 players as ones they think can continue developing toward NHL status, and a they grow more trade barter.

So if the Blackhawks has a rash of backline injuries, maybe they will trade for a veteran to avoid having akid claimed.

Did Foligno say that in the Wicker Park ice cream with his kids video in Wicker Park?
Tommy Hawk thanks for long breakdown of futures - I am always looking for that stuff in advance so I will make you my CapFriendly substitute.

I think we need to get an odds table rolling for who plays more NHL games this season Murphy or big Arty.
- fattybeef

Murphy here, then at the trade deadline, hmmm

I thought that is why they signed Martinez for one year? Unless they are planning on giving KK some AHL time.
- LAHawk

Martinez may not be an everyday player at this point. He has one 77 game season in the last like 6 years. Probably he gets like 50 games or so either due to age or injury.
There is still plenty of room for KK to be on the roster and playing significant minutes.

Guys like Brodie and Martinez bring experience but they don't really block some young guys from coming up. I mean, I think we can math this out, we have about 6x82 = 492 man games on the blueline.

Jones usually plays about 70 some games a year (67 last year). Vlasic was good for about 76 last year. let's just call it an even 75 each for 150 games.

Murphy seems to last about 55 games a year. Martinez averages about 54. Maybe we call that another 55 each, for 110 games and we are at 260. That still leaves about 232 man games left, which is the equal to about 3 more guys playing about 77 games. So probably Brodie somewhere in the 60-75 game range. KK maybe 70-75. Kaiser, EDM, Phillips, etc..

I mean sure, we could have an unusually lucky year where the top D on the team don't miss any games, but on average not that many d actually survive all 82 games (33 D did last year) and only 92 league wide managed 75+. With the age and history of our D, probably there are minutes still to be won without too much trouble.

Isaac Phillips reminds me a lot of Gustav Forsling, young, good size, inexperienced, and most likely soon kicked to the curb. And in 5 years, he will play a prominent role on a contending team, and everyone here will be complaining about how management didn't give him enough time to develop and cut bait too soon.
- dahawks8819

Not if there are 6 guys better than him. What am I saying of course we'll complain that's what we do.

Usually need about 10 defensemen to get through the season.

Jones, Vlasic, Murphy, Brodie, Martinez, KK, Kaiser, Phillips, EDM, Allan. The ice time will sort itself out throughout the year.

Edit - Forgot Lev. He probably gets a few games too.
- boilermaker100

It's seems like we have 3 Mikal Roszival's.

Agreed, it would take take an awfully small, stupid, petty person to do that and I’m not getting that vibe from KD. Although I guess it can be argued he is small. Conversely the idea that he will hang on to a prospect he drafted even if the prospect turns out to be a bust, is just as preposterous. So far the only questionable thing Davidson has done was making that trade with the Isles. to move up two spots in the first round, however if Boisvert was his target when he made that trade then I take the criticism back. There will be lots to judge KD on going forward namely player and cap management but so far he’s done a good job collecting and stocking talent. It’s unfortunate some fans are inventing problems about Davidson that don’t exist.
- paulr

Somebody convinced Danny Kane and Toews needed to go?

Martinez may not be an everyday player at this point. He has one 77 game season in the last like 6 years. Probably he gets like 50 games or so either due to age or injury.
There is still plenty of room for KK to be on the roster and playing significant minutes.

Guys like Brodie and Martinez bring experience but they don't really block some young guys from coming up. I mean, I think we can math this out, we have about 6x82 = 492 man games on the blueline.

Jones usually plays about 70 some games a year (67 last year). Vlasic was good for about 76 last year. let's just call it an even 75 each for 150 games.

Murphy seems to last about 55 games a year. Martinez averages about 54. Maybe we call that another 55 each, for 110 games and we are at 260. That still leaves about 232 man games left, which is the equal to about 3 more guys playing about 77 games. So probably Brodie somewhere in the 60-75 game range. KK maybe 70-75. Kaiser, EDM, Phillips, etc..

I mean sure, we could have an unusually lucky year where the top D on the team don't miss any games, but on average not that many d actually survive all 82 games (33 D did last year) and only 92 league wide managed 75+. With the age and history of our D, probably there are minutes still to be won without too much trouble.
- breadbag

Guys stay healthier when you're winning. 20 win teams have a lot of injuries.

Martinez may not be an everyday player at this point. He has one 77 game season in the last like 6 years. Probably he gets like 50 games or so either due to age or injury.
There is still plenty of room for KK to be on the roster and playing significant minutes.

Guys like Brodie and Martinez bring experience but they don't really block some young guys from coming up. I mean, I think we can math this out, we have about 6x82 = 492 man games on the blueline.

Jones usually plays about 70 some games a year (67 last year). Vlasic was good for about 76 last year. let's just call it an even 75 each for 150 games.

Murphy seems to last about 55 games a year. Martinez averages about 54. Maybe we call that another 55 each, for 110 games and we are at 260. That still leaves about 232 man games left, which is the equal to about 3 more guys playing about 77 games. So probably Brodie somewhere in the 60-75 game range. KK maybe 70-75. Kaiser, EDM, Phillips, etc..

I mean sure, we could have an unusually lucky year where the top D on the team don't miss any games, but on average not that many d actually survive all 82 games (33 D did last year) and only 92 league wide managed 75+. With the age and history of our D, probably there are minutes still to be won without too much trouble.
- breadbag

I suspect KK comes to camp 20 pounds bigger and tough to knock off his skates and he's not going to Rockville.

I thought that is why they signed Martinez for one year? Unless they are planning on giving KK some AHL time.
- LAHawk

The reason given for signing all of these vets was so that 1) the young guys had to prove that they deserve a spot on the team, and 2) so that they wouldn't have to go dumpster diving during the season to ice a roster. Guys like Smith, Maroon, and Brodie can easily be dealt with if some of the kids show they belong.

Guys stay healthier when you're winning. 20 win teams have a lot of injuries.
- rpeters01

Sometimes, but how much actual difference does that make in terms of playing time? Is it due to injury or do bad teams change up the lineup and bring in more young players?

On average you can't expect guys to turn back time or just not get injured. Minutes will still be there for guys to get playing time. Like was said above, most teams used about 10 dmen last year. I think one team used only 8, some used as many as 14-15. But in most cases it was about 10 guys.

I suspect KK comes to camp 20 pounds bigger and tough to knock off his skates and he's not going to Rockville.
- rpeters01

I don't know about # of lbs, but I'm sure he will be a bit stronger and better able to handle the physical part as he is maturing into a man body.

Interesting article by Banford about "winning" and "losing" trades. Post Mortem, did the Hawks really lose the Jones trade

https://www.bleachernatio...nning-and-losing-a-trade/

One problem with the analysis is that Columbus got a second first round pick (David Jiriceck) in the trade also.

it is not the player it si the term. The second year I believe he will probably be blocking one of the young defenseman.

Arty, Kaiser, Allen, del Maestro should be far enough along in their development to start playing NHL minutes.

Barring trade, you still have Jones, Murphy, Vlasic, and Korchinski

Or maybe the front office is not as high on the young players as the Blog is?
- LAHawk

Not a market for Murphy with his back and sports hernia and he's not gonna play a lot of games.

We've discussed the complications with moving Jones a lot.

Like I've said a few times. If Murphy, Brodie and Martinez are all in the lineup at the same time something has gone wrong.

If push comes to shove they'll either waive, buyout or run Murphy or Brodie as a 7th defenseman.

Wow. Boqvist to the Panthers.
- Chunk

Someone has to run the power play with Montour and OEL gone.

Someone has to run the power play with Montour and OEL gone.
- fattybeef

Nate Schmidt.